New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matiunz]

Graham Lowe adds a lot of credibility to the bid

Maybe 30 years ago but his stock has fallen significantly post brain tumour, catastrophically bad stint as Warriors part owner that almost killed off the club and generally seen as the grumpy old man that does nothing but shit on NZ league in his opinion columns. The fact he was booted out of commentating with the current standard of NZ league commentary should also speak volumes(they need to try and get SJ on board there)
Would have been a better option than Monie as Warriors inaugural coach but since well past his use by date

 

[The Great Dane]

If the bid was looking for a brand that will appeal outside just the South Island, they've done well..

* It's the current Wellington team nickname, so has some appeal to the league establishment there (presumably co-opted in, too)

* Orca have a range that covers pretty much all of NZ's coastline, not just limited to the South Island like Kea

* Black, white & teal spring to mind as a colourset option, but the key here is that they have plenty of scope for something that's "province neutral" - key for uniting a potential fanbase through the South Island and at least some of the North.

[Edit] I seem to remember an advert for the old "Wellington Dolphins" bid in the early 1990s that had a black & teal jersey mock-up, which was oddly split diagonally between black & teal sections.

Nah keep the colour scheme simple and just go black and white.

• Nobody in the NRL is using the black and white scheme, so the team can corner the market.

• It's inoffensive. So much so that normies would happily wear it in their day-to-day lives without the fear of standing out.

• It synergises with the mascot perfectly.

• It's super easy to create great jerseys and integrate sponsors with a black and white scheme.

It ticks all the boxes without the need to throw in teal or the traditional Canterbury red into a league that's already oversaturated with blue and red schemes.

As an alternative they could achieve the same outcome with black, white, and silver if they want something a bit more extravagant than just black and white, but you've got to be super sparing with silver or it looks crap.

The Raiders are the only team I've seen pull black and silver off really well, but they basically wear black t-shirts and restrict the silver to their helmets, pants, and namesets, which an NRL side couldn't copy for obvious reasons.
Then again, silver shoulder or arm bands, collars and cuffs, and other super simple and traditional designs like that would result in some of the nicest jerseys in the NRL, if they integrate the sponsors well.

If they simply must add another colour to the scheme then maybe a sea green, but there's no need.

 

[The Great Dane]

Maybe 30 years ago but his stock has fallen significantly post brain tumour, catastrophically bad stint as Warriors part owner that almost killed off the club and generally seen as the grumpy old man that does nothing but shit on NZ league in his opinion columns. The fact he was booted out of commentating with the current standard of NZ league commentary should also speak volumes(they need to try and get SJ on board there)
Would have been a better option than Monie as Warriors inaugural coach but since well past his use by date

A lot of the people involved have dodgy records, Chalmers and Searle being chief amongst them.

The NRL would want to make certain to do their due diligence before handing them a license, but it'd be silly to rule them out just because of their past. Who knows, this one might be the idea that blows up big for them.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Nah keep the colour scheme simple and just go black and white.

• Nobody in the NRL is using the black and white scheme, so the team can corner the market.

• It's inoffensive.

• It synergises with the mascot perfectly.

• It's super easy to create great jerseys and integrate sponsors with a black and white scheme.

It ticks all the boxes without the need to throw in teal or the traditional Canterbury red into a league that's already oversaturated with blue and red schemes.

If they simply must add another colour then maybe a sea green, but there's no need.

Even Grey isn't used. A half Black and half Grey could be cool

 

[Gobsmacked]

A lot of the people involved have dodgy records, Chalmers and Searle being chief amongst them.

The NRL would want to make certain to do their due diligence before handing them a license, but it'd be silly to rule them out just because of their past. Who knows, this one might be the idea that blows up big for them.

They can't be that bad if they're still working with a calibre of people that could put together a bid like this.
Most of the bankers who caused the GFC kept their jobs.. shit happens.

 

[The Great Dane]

They can't be that bad if they're still working with a calibre of people that could put together a bid like this.
Most of the bankers who caused the GFC kept their jobs.. shit happens.

Chalmers has a history of massively over promising and underdelivering. Without going into detail, alongside Lowe he's f**ked over both the NZRL and Bradford Bulls in the past.

Searle lead the Titans bid, was their first CEO, and completely bankrupted them in the 5 years he was in charge. Most of the off-field struggles the Titans have faced throughout their existence can be traced back to decisions he signed off on.

The above shouldn't be a reason to put a line through them though. Their prior experience could be invaluable if they've learnt from it, and as far as I'm aware both have been reasonably successful in other areas of their lives.

BTW, you'd be surprised how far incompetent people can get in life. A bit of charisma and acting confident can get some people very far in life.

 

[Wb1234]

Also es Farish has worked in the nrl and Peter Peter’s who was involved at manly and an ex famous radio commentator

They should try and get Moffatt on board

 

[Wb1234]

 

[T to the T]

They should try and get Moffatt on board

Are you trolling? Moffett should be nowhere near the sport considering the harm he inflicted. Feck him and hope Pappas is making this clear too.

This bid >>> Moffett's

It's clear as ever the 3 expansion teams are going to be WA, PNG and NZ2.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Only question I have is if that money is actually real? Government money you know is there because tax payers pay for it - re: PNG.

A private consortium saying they have this much cash injection almost sounds like a whopper tbh. If it is real, then great it’s a no brainer and they should be seriously looked at for one of the 3 licenses.

But I think you’ll probably find a lot of that cash won’t exist if push comes to shove and you start digging a bit deeper. Promises won’t come to fruition or be “delayed”.

To me it almost sounds like that figure is their predicated ceiling for what they can potentially harness should absolutely everything fall in line and every promise made to the bid and from the bid come through without fail. Isn’t it kinda like if Cumins had said he had $480m due to his $30m and WA Govs $450m (for infrastructure upgrades) or am I wrong here? Not sure many would have believed him, I wouldn’t tbh but that’s just me.

As someone said it’s the people behind it which I guess brings up some skepticism. Chalmers, Searle, Lowe and Panoutas Peterides - not exactly beacons of honesty.

Hopefully it pans out though. Keen to hear more about Endacott’s bid tbh. Maybe all 3 bids can come together so the best people behind all 3 can work on one thing to make it waterproof? Dunno if that would happen though.

 

[Wb1234]

Are you trolling? Moffett should be nowhere near the sport considering the harm he inflicted. Feck him and hope Pappas is making this clear too.

This bid >>> Moffett's

It's clear as ever the 3 expansion teams are going to be WA, PNG and NZ2.

That’s why the English fa wanted him as chair

Nick pappas should be focusing on south’s under his watch he’s run the club into the ground

He’s the last person on earth to be commenting on expansion.

 

[Wb1234]

Only question I have is if that money is actually real? Government money you know is there because tax payers pay for it - re: PNG.

A private consortium saying they have this much cash injection almost sounds like a whopper tbh. If it is real, then great it’s a no brainer and they should be seriously looked at for one of the 3 licenses.

But I think you’ll probably find a lot of that cash won’t exist if push comes to shove and you start digging a bit deeper. Promises won’t come to fruition or be “delayed”.

To me it almost sounds like that figure is their predicated ceiling for what they can potentially harness should absolutely everything fall in line and every promise made to the bid and from the bid come through without fail. Isn’t it kinda like if Cumins had said he had $480m due to his $30m and WA Govs $450m (for infrastructure upgrades) or am I wrong here? Not sure many would have believed him, I wouldn’t tbh but that’s just me.

As someone said it’s the people behind it which I guess brings up some skepticism. Chalmers, Searle, Lowe and Panoutas Peterides - not exactly beacons of honesty.

Hopefully it pans out though. Keen to hear more about Endacott’s bid tbh. Maybe all 3 bids can come together so the best people behind all 3 can work on one thing to make it waterproof? Dunno if that would happen though.

Yeh on second thoughts this is my thinking that’s it’s a load of exaggeration

From the coe to the leagues club

Chalmers is a huge negative but this is the only bid pvl met when he visited the area

Didn’t know that was Peter Peter’s real name lol

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Yeh on second thoughts this is my thinking that’s it’s a load of exaggeration

From the coe to the leagues club

Chalmers is a huge negative but this is the only bid pvl met when he visited the area

I don’t think it’s so much exaggeration. I think it could be their ceiling after all the potential numbers were crunched in.

Not sure where the numbers tie back into. Dolphins had assets which were used to assess their value and as far as I can see (I might be wrong) there’s no assets tied back into Orcas just yet?

It would have definitely been more believable out the offset if they said we have $100m cash injection, $125m in asset value and $100m of gov commitment for infrastructure. Who knows maybe that is the case and it hasn’t been disclosed. From afar they’ve sold it well yesterday, definitely got people talking and publicity.

 

[RedVee]

Yeh on second thoughts this is my thinking that’s it’s a load of exaggeration

From the coe to the leagues club

Chalmers is a huge negative but this is the only bid pvl met when he visited the area

Didn’t know that was Peter Peter’s real name lol

He chopped off the “opolous” to anglicise way back, as people did in those days.

 

[MugaB]

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Adding the expansion colour of red to it makes it look better I reckon.

This was Penriths colors in the 2003-2013 period...
Also the AI generated pics are misspelling everything, it's very jarring

 

[Wb1234]

He chopped off the “opolous” to anglicise way back, as people did in those days.

Yeh my mates at school were all Greek

Timeline: Chalmers chapter is familiar tale at Bradford Bulls

THE announcement of a change of ownership at Bradford Bulls marks the end of Andrew Chalmers' time at the helm.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk

Chalmers promised the world at Bradford

 

[MugaB]

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Logo and Lowes polo imply black with white secondary and red accents? Remember criticism at the time with the Black/White/Teal colour scheme coupled with the mascot and the mock up jersey is it was too similar to the sharks

Well maybe they should go with this, and then add some yellow for Wellington....
Add to the other 3 new teams of black, Red, white and trim of yellow... FFS faceslap

 

[BuffaloRules]

Only question I have is if that money is actually real? Government money you know is there because tax payers pay for it - re: PNG.

A private consortium saying they have this much cash injection almost sounds like a whopper tbh. If it is real, then great it’s a no brainer and they should be seriously looked at for one of the 3 licenses.

But I think you’ll probably find a lot of that cash won’t exist if push comes to shove and you start digging a bit deeper. Promises won’t come to fruition or be “delayed”.

To me it almost sounds like that figure is their predicated ceiling for what they can potentially harness should absolutely everything fall in line and every promise made to the bid and from the bid come through without fail. Isn’t it kinda like if Cumins had said he had $480m due to his $30m and WA Govs $450m (for infrastructure upgrades) or am I wrong here? Not sure many would have believed him, I wouldn’t tbh but that’s just me.

As someone said it’s the people behind it which I guess brings up some skepticism. Chalmers, Searle, Lowe and Panoutas Peterides - not exactly beacons of honesty.

Hopefully it pans out though. Keen to hear more about Endacott’s bid tbh. Maybe all 3 bids can come together so the best people behind all 3 can work on one thing to make it waterproof? Dunno if that would happen though.

I’m sure they won’t have to produce any evidence to the NRL that the money is “real” before the bid would be green lighted …right?

I think it’s fair to be a little dubious… but it’s not like they are going to be able to bullshit their way through this process …

Plenty of private equity money getting pumped into all types of sports these days … so it wouldn’t be a total shock to me

 

[Matiunz]

Yeh my mates at school were all Greek

Timeline: Chalmers chapter is familiar tale at Bradford Bulls

THE announcement of a change of ownership at Bradford Bulls marks the end of Andrew Chalmers' time at the helm.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk

Chalmers promised the world at Bradford

Lowe there as well again…

 

[flippikat]

Nah keep the colour scheme simple and just go black and white.

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I don't think black & white (or even black white & silver/grey) would be a good idea - too close to Kiwis colours.

If black & white are in the mix, I think the brand needs a 3rd (or even 3rd & 4th) colour/s in the set that stands out a little & distinguishes from the Kiwis - something like a sea green would be great IMO.