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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Matua

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Look at the depth of the kiwis today they don’t need to pick halves out of reserve grade (Olsen filipanna)
We've picked non halves as halves since the arrival of the Warriors. Tohu Harris has played in the halves FFS.

Filipaina was only in reserve grade because the Oz coaches at the time weren't as used to dealing with Poly players.
 

Wb1234

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We've picked non halves as halves since the arrival of the Warriors. Tohu Harris has played in the halves FFS.

Filipaina was only in reserve grade because the Oz coaches at the time weren't as used to dealing with Poly players.
Yeh but look at this year

No Hughes and can’t remember who the other guy that was missing who was good

When did they have that depth ?

And how many players picked Tonga and Samoa which five year ago or more would’ve picked nz
 

Wb1234

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Oh I have no doubt the Auckland clubs would have always fallen away and struggled to keep up with the advancement of professionalism and sports science.
The point still stands that the game in NZ is in a worse state now than pre Warriors days , 95 Warriors hype was a squandered opportunity of massive growth -although it seems to be going in the right direction finally
I just can’t believe that league is worse off In nz pre warriors. How do you measure what the warriors have achieved v what the old clubs achieved ?

How many world cups or finals did the kiwis win ?

Every local comp that got an nrl / arl / nswrl side has diminished by becoming a feeder league to the top level
 

Gobsmacked

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I just can’t believe that league is worse off In nz pre warriors. How do you measure what the warriors have achieved v what the old clubs achieved ?

How many world cups or finals did the kiwis win ?

Every local comp that got an nrl / arl / nswrl side has diminished by becoming a feeder league to the top level
You actually bothered to respond to this? Seriously.
 

Matiunz

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Yeh but look at this year

No Hughes and can’t remember who the other guy that was missing who was good

When did they have that depth ?

And how many players picked Tonga and Samoa which five year ago or more would’ve picked nz
Not sure this year was the best year to use to make that point-
We were forced to play CNK out of position at 6, send an sos to get SJ out of retirement, play a player from the ESL for the first time in close to a decade and Debut 8 players.
We went from champions to loosing to Tonga and getting a fright in the first half of a relegation game in the space of a year.
Depth was well and truely stretched, although there were some shining lights in the emergence of Kini and McClean in particular
 

Matiunz

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I just can’t believe that league is worse off In nz pre warriors. How do you measure what the warriors have achieved v what the old clubs achieved ?

How many world cups or finals did the kiwis win ?

Every local comp that got an nrl / arl / nswrl side has diminished by becoming a feeder league to the top level
I guess measure of success can be subjective.
One reason the Warriors came in was to give local players an option and to stem the flow of NZ players away from NZ comps- the opposite happened.
There was an opportunity with a local provincial comp to grow engagement- this is no longer with us.
The local playing numbers shrunk
Players went to Aus at a younger age which weakened the local comps.
From that perspective the local game went backwards post Warriors.

Pre Warriors France and PNG were closer in Standard, GB was also much more competitive.
The shift of the global game moved much more towards Australia and while Australia thrived the local game in other countries withered and struggled.

Yes recently the PIs have improved in standard internationally but like the kiwis this has been on the back of the Australian teams and not that of domestic leagues. The gap in ESL has also grown over this time and whilst it’s great to see the NRL thriving if the game wants to grow globally we need other countries to raise their game.

Guess the net gain has been increased kiwis success but that’s largely down to Australia and very little to do with the game in NZ
 

Wb1234

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You’ve got a pool of potentially 100 kiwi nrl players playing at the elite level

Would local playing numbers be so dire if Aussie clubs didn’t poach so many

Nz can’t support a pro club union comp how would league do it ? It’s a small rugby market

Remember the bartercard cup and the money it lost

What happened to Npc crowds when super rugby came in ?

And isn’t union struggling for playing numbers ? Lower juniors in both rugby are happening
 

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