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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Canard

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Are you really interested in a response or just fishing for a bite ?

I don’t mind people taking the wee out of me but it’s hard to work out when people want a serious debate or not
How can you state that the "worst case" scenario is that it stays the same?
 

Vlad59

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Most kiwi posters and a few of the usual suspects have been saying without spark tv the nrl tv deal was going down

Worst case it stays the same

I’ve always felt 40 million would be a decent number with nz2 being team 20

As @Gobsmacked has pointed out this is a disaster for rugby union in nz and only makes it easier for nrl to expand

If they do get cut by 50 percent their finances will be decimated

Total super rugby tv deal will be around 90 million Aussie

NRL currently 430 million rising to ???? 550 million

Union is stuffed
What a load of drivel. You endlessly post about the death of union as if it’s a fact. It’s in your head. And your head is a mashed potato.
 

SirPies&Beers

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What a load of drivel. You endlessly post about the death of union as if it’s a fact. It’s in your head. And your head is a mashed potato.
im keen to hear what is your counter argument for or against? not lookings for endless spazzes but curious to see what sort of debate can be constructed from it.
 

Wb1234

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How can you state that the "worst case" scenario is that it stays the same?
So assuming you aren’t trolling …..

The nrl outrates super rugby with one nrl team

The current nrl deal is still just over half what the nz ru tv deal will end up with

With a second nz team you would think the current 32 million deal is still a bargain

Google search shows dazn are in nz

So who knows if they bid for it since league appears to be a big part of their strategy
 

Vlad59

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im keen to hear what is your counter argument for or against? not lookings for endless spazzes but curious to see what sort of debate can be constructed from it.
My counter argument is that rugby is not dead in NZ. To say it is, or that it’s dying or that league will replace it is pure fantasy.
 

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Warriors can barely service Auckland as it is without taking too many games from the biggest market
I'm just suggesting 2 games per year - one trial & one regular season game... which is pretty common for other NRL clubs.

For the Warriors, that'd be taking the trial to a smaller secondary market (say Whangarei OR Rotorua), and the regular season game to Hamilton.

For the Wellington team, maybe a trial in New Plymouth & a regular season game in Napier.

It wouldn't erode the regular season offering much at all.
 

Wb1234

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I'm just suggesting 2 games per year - one trial & one regular season game... which is pretty common for other NRL clubs.

For the Warriors, that'd be taking the trial to a smaller secondary market (say Whangarei OR Rotorua), and the regular season game to Hamilton.

For the Wellington team, maybe a trial in New Plymouth & a regular season game in Napier.

It wouldn't erode the regular season offering much at all.
Wish the nrl would just buy one home game from all the small nrl clubs and make them play the warriors around nz

Realistically Auckland Wellington and Christchurch are the important bits to cover

Just nz has so many good mid sized rugby grounds which could host a game or two
 

Wb1234

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Is there actual data to support this?


Given there doesnt appear to be NZ2 on the horizon for a bit, how does this affect the next deal?


“Almost 1.59 million New Zealanders watched NRL matches Sky Sport and free-to-air on Sky Open in the first 10 rounds of the competition, a rise of 14% from 2023. .

Ten rounds into the Super Rugby Pacific competition, nearly 1.67 million New Zealanders had watched the competition on Sky Sport and free-to-air on Sky Open, a lift of 11% compared to 2023”

After ten rounds 1.59 league vs 1.67 Union

Since super rugby season is so short by October the nrl will be way out in front


And if nz2 aren’t included sure that will affect the value of the nz tv deal. But then it will be Brisbane who will add a lot to the Aussie tv deal.

Reality is nz2 is the strong favourites for team 20

You’ve said yourself it’s too soon for another Brisbane team

There aren’t any other realistic places for an nrl team 20 by 2032

Either way the nz nrl tv deal in nz is under ten percent of the total tv deal it’s not a huge needle mover
 
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Wb1234

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“Should the NRL want to “beat” Super Rugby, then, it will almost certainly have to do one of two things: pray that the Warriors win the title or at least consistently go deep into the finals, or create a second team in the South Island. And neither of those are guaranteed.”



And that’s coming from a staunch union journo
 

flippikat

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Wish the nrl would just buy one home game from all the small nrl clubs and make them play the warriors around nz

Realistically Auckland Wellington and Christchurch are the important bits to cover

Just nz has so many good mid sized rugby grounds which could host a game or two
Yeah, ideally we'd see reciprocal ticketing (for Sydney clubs) AND the NRL buying home games to take to mid-sized NZ centres, so the pressure isn't all on the limited number of NZ teams to take games to all parts.
 

Wb1234

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Yeah, ideally we'd see reciprocal ticketing (for Sydney clubs) AND the NRL buying home games to take to mid-sized NZ centres, so the pressure isn't all on the limited number of NZ teams to take games to all parts.
Reality is nrl isn’t even trying to take over nz

But if Christchurch is a huge success they might start taking nz more seriously like having a kiwi on the commission and changing the name to Anzac rlc
 

Canard

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Does the NRL need to even "buy" games, haven't teams like the Dogs been able to negotiate a deal from the local council etc to take games to regional NZ before?
 

flippikat

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Does the NRL need to even "buy" games, haven't teams like the Dogs been able to negotiate a deal from the local council etc to take games to regional NZ before?
If the NRL wants co-ordinate the "home away from home" schedules to maximize reach of their product & take advantage of the decent mid-size market infrastructure that rugby union has had built here (thanks to our provincial RU history), then yes.

At the moment it's up to the whims of existing clubs, and one of the things this can deliver is certainty to mid-sized NZ markets that they at least get a game each year, and are not at the mercy of individual clubs' priorities.
 

Wb1234

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Does the NRL need to even "buy" games, haven't teams like the Dogs been able to negotiate a deal from the local council etc to take games to regional NZ before?
Tigers were the only ones who did it last year

Nrl being proactive to grow rugby league in nz rather than waiting for an nrl club to do it

Better than taking games to Darwin imo like the eels used to do

The nrl should also look at doing it for country areas in nsw and qld for clubs who don’t take home games to nz

Clubs will stop taking games to Perth with their own nrl team so there’s potential for those games to go to nz
 

flippikat

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Clubs will stop taking games to Perth with their own nrl team so there’s potential for those games to go to nz
I can imagine we'd be quite an attractive option to replace those Perth games, given that a) we have a strong heritage & culture in the rugby codes and b) we have a plethora of mid-size (18k-30k) rugby stadiums thanks to long standing provincial RU teams which are no longer off-limits to league.
 

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What has happened in Perth is a mix. The WA govt buys the double header event (as part of origin package I suspect)_ and pays the NRL for it who then pay the teams taking part. They also buy games directly from clubs ie Dolphins current ones to sell games to WA.
 

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