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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Wb1234

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haha course it is, Vegas is a sugary cup cake.
I mean the American interest and RL game over there is going to boom off the back of it I'm sure. Only a matter of time until NY join the NRL eh.
New York and ottowa wanted to join league one but the pommies said no

If you want to talk about lack of expansionary vision try super league

The nrl is doing all the hard yards expanding the code around the globe

They are even planning on helping England too
 

Gobsmacked

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The entire pacific? Look at a world map you stupid merkin.
The " pacific " has been widely adopted to describe the Islands in the South pacific which is mostly describing Australia, NZ, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa ,Cook Islands, PNG ..
This vernacular is common place among world leaders and is only misunderstood by " stupid Merkins "

But of course, this is just playing the man and adds nothing to the topic...
Back on ignore you go .
 

Maximus

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The " pacific " has been widely adopted to describe the Islands in the South pacific which is mostly describing Australia, NZ, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa ,Cook Islands, PNG ..
This vernacular is common place among world leaders and is only misunderstood by " stupid Merkins "

But of course, this is just playing the man and adds nothing to the topic...
Back on ignore you go .

No that's called Oceania you stupid merkin.

You add nothing to any topic because all you spew is cult-like garbage.
 

Red&BlackBear

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We are going to then staying at 19 teams for the foreseeable future (this next/upcoming broadcast deal) that includes PNG and West Australia. The Western Australian business case has been deemed that it will stand up as per NRL and ARLC belief. however, the New Zealand 2 at this stage of time does not.
 
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Gobsmacked

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I want to state for the record that the Warriors will have a good year and that conclusion isn't formed by the halves pairing , the forward pack.. everything that's been said about the Warriors so far is true. All those things matter but I'm tipping that the talking point for the Warriors will be about the centres.. both big, fast and agile..have a handful of games under each of them and a full off-season..Ali and Adam set for a breakout years, even Kosi.
Watch this space .
 

SirPies&Beers

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Did his Bears connection tell him that, or does he now claim to have connections within the NRL.
looks like minimus likes making a fool of himself. another obsessed poster. he is like a combo of alwaysloser and perthwrongs but even sadder cause no one cares about him. poor minimus, the sad little man who needs a booster seat

also it was on triple m this morning. it's been reported right now. it's straight from v'landys mouth


NRL expansion plans on hold as Peter V’landys prepares for TV rights talks​

New Zealand’s hopes for a second NRL team may have suffered a fatal blow, with Peter V’landys revealing plans for a 20-team premiership could be axed.
Peter Badel, Brent Read and Michael Carayannis

3 min read
February 27, 2025 - 5:00AM
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NRL: Yvonne Sampson joined NRL Tonight to deliver a full preview of all the rugby league action taking place in Las Vegas in 2025 to kick off the NRL season.
ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has dropped an expansion bombshell by revealing plans for a 20-team league could be axed in a potentially fatal blow to New Zealand’s hopes of a second NRL team.
The NRL were aiming for 20 teams before the 2032 Brisbane Olympics, but that masterplan could be aborted in a move that will have major ramifications for the code’s next broadcast deal.
V’landys has been locked in delicate expansion negotiations, with Papua New Guinea confirmed for entry in 2028, while Perth’s Western Bears are slated for admission in 2027 pending talks after next month’s WA election.
As part of the NRL’s strategic plan, New Zealand has been identified as a key growth market, opening the door for a Kiwi outfit from the south island to be the code’s 20th franchise.
But as V’landys prepares to begin high-powered talks on rugby league’s next TV rights deal for 2028 and beyond, the ARLC chair concedes plans for a 20-team NRL could collapse.
Peter V'landys has revealed plans for a 20-team league could be axed. Picture: NewsWire / John Appleyard

Peter V'landys has revealed plans for a 20-team league could be axed. Picture: NewsWire / John Appleyard
“The 20th team is not in our immediate plans,” V’landys said.
“As I’ve said all at all times, the business case has to stack up and at this stage, the business case doesn’t stack up (for a 20-team NRL).
“Nineteen teams is possible because we believe the business case stands up, but we won’t do anything without going back to our (existing) clubs (for consultation).
“We’ve just had the annual general meeting (last week) and they (the 17 clubs) are an important stakeholder and they are players in this.
“When we determine what we believe is a strong business case (for 20 teams), we will then provide that business case to the clubs, players and state authorities to show why we are doing it.
“But at this stage, that business case (for 20 teams) has not been established.”
V’landys’ stance will come as both a crippling blow and a warning shot to prospective trans-Tasman franchises in the arms race to become the NRL’s second team in New Zealand.
The NRL won’t accept mediocre bids and, at this stage, League Central bosses have been far from impressed with the expansion submissions made by up to four proposed New Zealand consortia.
V’landys has been locked in delicate expansion negotiations, with Papua New Guinea confirmed for entry in 2028. Picture: NewsWire / John Appleyard

V’landys has been locked in delicate expansion negotiations, with Papua New Guinea confirmed for entry in 2028. Picture: NewsWire / John Appleyard
Christchurch has been touted as the perfect destination for a 20th team, but the heat is on the prospective bid teams to satisfy the NRL’s expansion demands.
Should the NRL proceed with an 18 or 19-team league, it could have repercussions for the code’s next broadcast deal, and the potential value the ARL Commission stands to generate.
A 20-team league would give the NRL 10 matches per week, two more than it currently offers broadcasters with a 17-team competition.
Adding another two franchises would give the NRL nine fixtures per round and V’landys is still confident that will provide the ARLC with added strength at the TV rights negotiating table.
There are fears the state-backed WA bid could also fall through, but V’landys is adamant the Western Bears are not dead.
“We’re going to go to the broadcasters with a format for 18, 19 or maybe 20 teams. At this stage it’s either 18 or 19,” V’landys said.
V'landys is adamant the state-backed Western Bears expansion bid is not dead.

V'landys is adamant the state-backed Western Bears expansion bid is not dead.
“For the next broadcast cycle, we will have either 18 or 19 teams, we will finalise that sooner rather than later.
“We downed our tools on Perth a few weeks ago.
“We gave a commitment to the WA government that we would put our tools down and respect it as an election process. Once the election process is over, we will get our tools again and recommence discussions.
“I am confident it (the Western Bears bid) will progress. They (WA government) will see the biggest beneficiary is WA with the economic benefit to Western Australia.”
NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said there is a possibility the code may not have fresh expansion in New Zealand to complement the Warriors.
“With 18 teams, we have an extra game and a platform for growth in the future,” he said.
“Unless the business case stacks up, there is no urgency for us to go to 19 or 20 teams.
“It has to be compelling and that work will be done after the (WA) election.”
 

BuffaloRules

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Obviously no tax payer money on offer in NZ … so looks like PVL pulling the pin ….seems PVL has a transactional mindset like Trump , but I’m not sure that the NRL has quite as much power as the US government to leverage others..

A mistake not to expand in NZ this cycle I think given the popularity of the NRL over there at the moment …now would have been the time to try to take a chance over there… there is only so much 1 team can achieve
 

SirPies&Beers

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We are going to then staying at 19 teams for the foreseeable future (this next/upcoming broadcast deal) that includes PNG and West Australia. The Western Australian business case has been deemed that it will stand up as per NRL and ARLC belief. however, the New Zealand 2 at this stage of time does not.

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Just flagging this up again.

20th spot is far from guaranteed - in the short term. There is a world where we in the short term stop at Team #19 and don’t look at Team #20 until back end of 2030’s.

There is much uncertainty surrounding locations, bids, commercial viability and how the broadcasting rights factor into the games model after the next negotiations.

Internal production (done by the NRL) to then on sell the final production to streaming services (as opposed to selling rights and broadcasting partners doing their own production of the game) is a topic which will get heavier after next round of negotiations.

This is the way to maximise revenue and profits. The game still loses a big chunk of its true value by having others produce the package. However self production also costs a lot of money, big risk huge reward. This will go hand in hand with future expansion after this next round of broadcasting negotiations.

Anyways that’s off topic but the order of new franchise entrances 18 & 19 seems to be somewhat set for now.

you called this back in august or maybe just had a vibe about it? or was it just a lucky guess?
wheres @Maximus now? yo minimus where ya at cob? ya like to act like a flamin moron cause ya a sad little man who needs a booster seat but now ya missing after ya comments? poor minimus, poor poor minimus
 

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We are going to then staying at 19 teams for the foreseeable future (this next/upcoming broadcast deal) that includes PNG and West Australia. The Western Australian business case has been deemed that it will stand up as per NRL and ARLC belief. however, the New Zealand 2 at this stage of time does not.
I think almost everyone expected this outcome. It's only 2 or 3 posters on here that were too naive to see that the NZ bids were wishy washy "con artist" proposals.
 

Maximus

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I think almost everyone expected this outcome. It's only 2 or 3 posters on here that were too naive to see that the NZ bids were wishy washy "con artist" proposals.

The 2 or 3 posters claimed that even the fan owned model would be accepted because the ownership model was unimportant since it'd make so much money. The rest of us told them that the bids were shit so shouldn't be brought in just to add numbers.
 

Perth Red

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Ive always had the sense they would leave team 20 for a much later decision. Alas that plays into Qlnd club hands over NZ but NRL has shown very little interest in developing the game in NZ for decades so I wasnt expecting a big change in that.
NZ2 should be club 20 and should be in for the 2033 new tv deal (presuming next one is 5 years) imo. Of course the NRL doesnt really need to make a decision on that until 2030 or so.
Just very unfair to build up the hope of fans and bid consortiums in the way they have if that is their plan, but nothing new there.
 

Wb1234

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I want to state for the record that the Warriors will have a good year and that conclusion isn't formed by the halves pairing , the forward pack.. everything that's been said about the Warriors so far is true. All those things matter but I'm tipping that the talking point for the Warriors will be about the centres.. both big, fast and agile..have a handful of games under each of them and a full off-season..Ali and Adam set for a breakout years, even Kosi.
Watch this space .
Metcalf looked good in the trial I watched

The other guy not so good

They could throw jet cleary to the wolves and see how he goes at 6 and still have Boyd as well
 

Perth Red

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One article says nz may be off the table until 2033 ish and the usually suspects use it to spread misery

lol
There has been little indication club 20 was coming in before then anyway. Its more about when the NRL makes a decision on who that will be. If its an early decision it leans NZ way, the longer it goes the more the louder the noise from Qlnd for another club becomes.
 

Wb1234

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There has been little indication club 20 was coming in before then anyway. Its more about when the NRL makes a decision on who that will be. If its an early decision it leans NZ way, the longer it goes the more the louder the noise from Qlnd for another club becomes.
Delay with Perth bears may push timeline back six months which is 2033 or not

Focus is on tv deal

Part of that includes sky nz tv deal which obviously will involve discussions about nz2

Timing will be faster if sky nz indicates a second nz team will have value for them
 

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