New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[BuffaloRules]

A man from Hull living in Perth that follows RL... researching the Swans to share in a NZ thread...are you pissed?
Get a bloody life.
If you like AFL, there's nothing wrong with that but maybe find some AFL friends?

I thought he might be happy to concentrate now on his own teams formative period ….. but no ….an AFL team 4000kms away still upmost on his mind …

 

[Vlad59]

I thought he might be happy to concentrate now on his own teams formative period ….. but no ….an AFL team 4000kms away still upmost on his mind …

Yes. The mind boggles. His obsession with afl data is unsettling.

 

[Canard]

Tv deal will be done by end of season. NRL Europe will be focus after. Team 20 will come in 2032 to coincide with Olympics.

Why would a 20th NRL team have to "coincide" with the Olympics? I just cant see the reasoning here.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Why would a 20th NRL team have to "coincide" with the Olympics? I just cant see the reasoning here.

If it was a Brisbane team it would.

 

[Perth Red]

I wonder if the NRL will take same Perth approach and if they go with South Island over Ipswich that they will start it up and initially own it? They could be using Perth as a pilot for the model. Presuming we are looking at around 2032/33 for admission (so announcement 2030/31) of club 20 Perth will be about at the timeline for handing over to independent ownership and the NRL will have seen if the model works.

 

[jim_57]

I wonder if the NRL will take same Perth approach and if they go with South Island over Ipswich that they will start it up and initially own it? They could be using Perth as a pilot for the model. Presuming we are looking at around 2032/33 for admission (so announcement 2030/31) of club 20 Perth will be about at the timeline for handing over to independent ownership and the NRL will have seen if the model works.

I’ve been saying that for a while, transition out of Perth ownership and in to a South Island team if none of the bids stack up by then. If not Ipswich is right there if the NRL doesn’t have the appetite to do it again.

 

[Pippen94]

I wonder if the NRL will take same Perth approach and if they go with South Island over Ipswich that they will start it up and initially own it? They could be using Perth as a pilot for the model. Presuming we are looking at around 2032/33 for admission (so announcement 2030/31) of club 20 Perth will be about at the timeline for handing over to independent ownership and the NRL will have seen if the model works.

WA and bears were willing partners. Situation may not exist in NZ.

 

[Last Week]

yep really struggling lol. 9 clubs in Sydney havent stopped AFL carving out a niche.
If its 3 or 4 In SEQ equally wont make any difference to the Lions.
There's lots of strong arguments for a 3rd Brisbane club, a false belief that it will somehow kill AFL in Qlnd isnt one of them.

Swans 2024:
Key items contributing to the financial outcome for the year include:

• Operating income increasing year-on-year by 19% to $73.2million
• 75,152 Sydney Swans members, which is a new club record
• Average home game attendances of more than 38,000 at the SCG
• Membership and match day revenue of $19m (up from $18.2in 2023)
• Strong on-field performance highlighted by 17 home-and-away match wins, two home final wins and a Grand Final appearance in the men’s competition

Wow, did you cum when you posted that?

 

[Vlad59]

Wow, did you cum when you posted that?

I’d suggest yes

 

[Pippen94]

yep really struggling lol. 9 clubs in Sydney havent stopped AFL carving out a niche.
If its 3 or 4 In SEQ equally wont make any difference to the Lions.
There's lots of strong arguments for a 3rd Brisbane club, a false belief that it will somehow kill AFL in Qlnd isnt one of them.

Swans 2024:
Key items contributing to the financial outcome for the year include:

• Operating income increasing year-on-year by 19% to $73.2million
• 75,152 Sydney Swans members, which is a new club record
• Average home game attendances of more than 38,000 at the SCG
• Membership and match day revenue of $19m (up from $18.2in 2023)
• Strong on-field performance highlighted by 17 home-and-away match wins, two home final wins and a Grand Final appearance in the men’s competition

It's funny living in Sydney the swans feel irrelevant.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It's funny living in Sydney the swans feel irrelevant.

Looking at their Sydney TV ratings I'd have to agree

 

[Perth Red]

Wow, did you cum when you posted that?

We dont need to know what you think about in the bath thank you.

 

[Vlad59]

We dont need to know what you think about in the bath thank you.

Well we know what you think about. Skinny men in tight shorts.

 

[flippikat]

I wonder if the NRL will take same Perth approach and if they go with South Island over Ipswich that they will start it up and initially own it? They could be using Perth as a pilot for the model. Presuming we are looking at around 2032/33 for admission (so announcement 2030/31) of club 20 Perth will be about at the timeline for handing over to independent ownership and the NRL will have seen if the model works.

Good point, and that "relay" time frame - selling the Perth Bears then establishing a NRL owned/operated Christchurch club COULD cascade on to an NRL owned Adelaide club circa 2038 (to be sold in early to mid 2040s) when Christchurch's club is sold.

That would mean at least 3 iterations of that build/own/sell model, and plenty of scope to take the lessons learned each time to refine that process.

I can't see the NRL taking that on with two clubs simultaneously, so such a staggered approach with NZ 2 as team 20, then Adelaide or Fiji as one of teams 21 & 22 makes sense.

Adding a 3rd Brisbane club as the other team in that 21/22 phase ( alongside the 3rd iteration of build/own/sell that's something like Adelaide or Fiji) balances the risk in that phase because surely another Brisbane club could be locally owned from the get-go - and may even be as straightforward as effectively promoting a Qld Cup club (ala the Dolphins).

 

[Pippen94]

Good point, and that "relay" time frame - selling the Perth Bears then establishing a NRL owned/operated Christchurch club COULD cascade on to an NRL owned Adelaide club circa 2038 (to be sold in early to mid 2040s) when Christchurch's club is sold.

That would mean at least 3 iterations of that build/own/sell model, and plenty of scope to take the lessons learned each time to refine that process.

I can't see the NRL taking that on with two clubs simultaneously, so such a staggered approach with NZ 2 as team 20, then Adelaide or Fiji as one of teams 21 & 22 makes sense.

Adding a 3rd Brisbane club as the other team in that 21/22 phase ( alongside the 3rd iteration of build/own/sell that's something like Adelaide or Fiji) balances the risk in that phase because surely another Brisbane club could be locally owned from the get-go - and may even be as straightforward as effectively promoting a Qld Cup club (ala the Dolphins).

Ideal situation is to find somebody rich willing to pay licence fee.

 

[Wb1234]

Ideal situation is to find somebody rich willing to pay licence fee.

They already have

The orcas bid have said they will pay whatever license fee is required

Plus invest in junior academies all over nz

Chch won’t need to be owned by the nrl because their investors have money and won’t offer a license fee of zero

 

[taste2taste]

They already have

The orcas bid have said they will pay whatever license fee is required

Plus invest in junior academies all over nz

Chch won’t need to be owned by the nrl because their investors have money and won’t offer a license fee of zero

Why did the nrl say the bid wasn’t up to scratch ?

 

[Wb1234]

Why did the nrl say the bid wasn’t up to scratch ?

Nrl said png and Perth bears weren’t up to scratch either before admitting them

Imo if Perth didn’t get delayed then nz2 would’ve got sorted but it dragged on an extra six months and now they are focusing on the tv deal

There’s no time to sort out nz2 and delay the tv deal into its last year

If what the orcas bid is saying is true it’s a very strong bid and probably on par with the dolphins

 

[flippikat]

They already have

The orcas bid have said they will pay whatever license fee is required

Plus invest in junior academies all over nz

Chch won’t need to be owned by the nrl because their investors have money and won’t offer a license fee of zero

It may or may not need to be owned by the NRL.

To be honest, if a bid meets criteria x, y & z but fails at criteria a, b & c then there's a chance the NRL will just go in and do it themselves IF the market is deemed a strategically important expansion.

Perth Bears is the testing ground for how smoothly that can be done, and if it works then it's a viable way to cut out all the "Nope, your bid isn't up to scratch - go away and improve it" phases - in a "if you want something done properly, go do it yourself" way.

 

[Wb1234]

It may or may not need to be owned by the NRL.

To be honest, if a bid meets criteria x, y & z but fails at criteria a, b & c then there's a chance the NRL will just go in and do it themselves IF the market is deemed a strategically important expansion.

Perth Bears is the testing ground for how smoothly that can be done, and if it works then it's a viable way to cut out all the "Nope, your bid isn't up to scratch - go away and improve it" phases - in a "if you want something done properly, go do it yourself" way.

Perth bears are only owned by the nrl because they didn’t trust the Cummins bid and didn’t want the bears or Perth to ruin it with infighting

Nobody knows who owns png there was an article it was as owned by png super funds

The nrl doesn’t want to own expansion clubs its not like the afl