Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Perth Red]

With all that extra content the afl had its a terrible result for them

so much for their national competition being something to aspire too

maybe we really should just focus on more teams in rugby league areas given this failure by the Afl

when you say failure what do you mean? from 2018 to 2028 the total media revenue difference between the codes will be close to $750million! Total revenue difference in the region of $2.5billion! Yeh they've failed badly lol

 

[Perth Red]

Well you have been told many times about the $550m ave including inflation.

Now expansion and the extra rounds are included and you still go on with the NRL stuffing up. Despite the comparison becoming more and more apples and Oranges.

You need to take Gill's dick out of your mouth long enough to look at reality

cash in the bank end of day. Thats all that really matters. The tv revenue cash gap has gone from $40mill avg to $160mill avg (or $130mill in your deluded head). But yeh keep talking about inflation lol

 

[Perth Red]

I don't think Telstra have any access to replays, but you can enlighten me? You come across as a Perpetual Po**y whinger.

Dont telstra host/manage the NRL app? That provides highlights and full replays.

 

[Wb1234]

when you say failure what do you mean? from 2018 to 2028 the total media revenue difference between the codes will be close to $750million! Total revenue difference in the region of $2.5billion! Yeh they've failed badly lol

Ratings
That the nrl tv deal was so close with 2 less team and 40 percent game time

that afl has the five metros covered with 2 teams in each and still gets outrated

 

[Perth Red]

Ratings
That the nrl tv deal was so close with 2 less team and 40 percent game time

that afl has the five metros covered with 2 teams in each and still gets outrated

$44mill a year isnt close lol. Especially we you consider how we smash them in the ratings! That its now gone from $44milion to $160mill (or $130mill) in 2025, despite us offering more content and giving up a lot, you seem to be ignoring?

 

[Wb1234]

$44mill a year isnt close lol. Especially we you consider how we smash them in the ratings! That its now gone from $44milion to $160mill (or $130mill) in 2025, despite us offering more content and giving up a lot, you seem to be ignoring?

Ten percent for all that extra content isn’t a win

if anything it’s proof adding teams in non traditional markets is largely a futile excercise

But maybe league will be more sucessful
In non traditional markets

 

[Iamback]

cash in the bank end of day. Thats all that really matters. The tv revenue cash gap has gone from $40mill avg to $160mill avg (or $130mill in your deluded head). But yeh keep talking about inflation lol

so TV cameramen, Logistics to transport the equipment around aren't going to get a payrise on July 1? Moreso these same guys won't be getting one between now and 2031?

What about advertising that won't cost more year on year?

That is why these contract escalate year on year

 

[Iamback]

Ten percent for all that extra content isn’t a win

if anything it’s proof adding teams in non traditional markets is largely a futile excercise

But maybe league will be more sucessful
In non traditional markets

There is like 40% extra content on the current deals. Even bigger gap now

 

[Perth Red]

Ten percent for all that extra content isn’t a win

if anything it’s proof adding teams in non traditional markets is largely a futile excercise

But maybe league will be more sucessful
In non traditional markets

Tv is just one part of the whole picture. $600mill revenue v $900mill revenue.
And just in tv $44mill a year going up to $160mill a year difference is ample proof politis needed to know what the NRL needs to do next

 

[Wb1234]

Tv is just one part of the whole picture. $660mill revenue v $900mill revenue.
And just in tv $44mill a year going up to $160mill a year difference is ample proof politis needed to know what the NRL needs to do next

Ok so you conceed in terms of tv deals it’s a failure

thanks

 

[Perth Red]

so TV cameramen, Logistics to transport the equipment around aren't going to get a payrise on July 1? Moreso these same guys won't be getting one between now and 2031?

What about advertising that won't cost more year on year?

That is why these contract escalate year on year

geez how many times? They are announced as an AVERAGE yearly deal. That avg starts lower thn announced and finishes higher than announced, by 2-3% each year.

Each new deal done has nothing to do with inflation compared to the last one, it is influenced by a wide varity of factors, competition for rights being the biggest one.

 

[Perth Red]

Ok so you conceed in terms of tv deals it’s a failure

thanks

No I dont concede that earning $750mill more in ten years is a failure lol.

 

[Wb1234]

No I dont concede that earning $750mill more in ten years is a failure lol.

40 percent extra content for 10 percent extra money is a bad outcome

 

[Perth Red]

40 percent extra content for 10 percent extra money is a bad outcome

* in my opinion

All it shows is that content isnt the key driver for tv value.
But then you could argue that come 2025 AFL's 18 clubs will be bringing in 40% more tv revenue than NRLs 17 clubs, so maybe it is?
Either way Id rather have 18 or 19 clubs and an extra $750mill cash earnt over ten years wouldn't you?

Looking at their deal pre 2025 Id say FTA paid unders for what they get and Fox paid AFL overs compared to the subscription rates they pay NRL for.

 

[Vibing]

Exactly what I have been saying all along about the respective deals all along. They are apples and Oranges comparisons

But for the 30% over 7 years or so increase AFL got

that includes

Giving ch7 access to stream games
Giving Fox a Super Saturday
9 extra rounds
Now expansion

On top of 25% or so inflation.

So the question is what extra content can NRL give TV to warrant a similar increase.

9th game
Internationals and Pre season
Extended NRLW.

However by that time AFL will be looking for team 20, Giving them 10 games of content a round. Again making the comparison Apples v Oranges again

but
we didn't need any extra content last deal for the deals to be on par , some may argue ours was worth more then theirs
380 mill for 8 games
416 mill for their 9 games

we don't need any extra content , we need to get what our product is worth , which we didn't in this last negotiation

 

[Iamback]

but
we didn't need any extra content last deal for the deals to be on par , some may argue ours was worth more then theirs
380 mill for 8 games
416 mill for their 9 games

we don't need any extra content , we need to get what our product is worth , which is wasn't in this last negotiation

The difference is basically FTA. $150m to $130m in which content, Stoppages, National coverage all played it's part.

As for what it is worth, That is subjective and a board of executives are going to need to prove it is money well spent. They won't just hand over $600m a year without something in return to justify the extra spend

 

[Wb1234]

but
we didn't need any extra content last deal for the deals to be on par , some may argue ours was worth more then theirs
380 mill for 8 games
416 mill for their 9 games

we don't need any extra content , we need to get what our product is worth , which we didn't in this last negotiation

That’s a fair point

but extra content Improves the nrl bargaining position

realistically it might take five to ten years for the nrl to get what it’s really worth

* in my opinion

All it shows is that content isnt the key driver for tv value.
But then you could argue that come 2025 AFL's 18 clubs will be bringing in 40% more tv revenue than NRLs 17 clubs, so maybe it is?
Either way Id rather have 18 or 19 clubs and an extra $750mill cash earnt over ten years wouldn't you?

Looking at their deal pre 2025 Id say FTA paid unders for what they get and Fox paid AFL overs compared to the subscription rates they pay NRL for.

any rugby league fan would look at those figures and say the afl isn’t doing so well

 

[Perth Red]

That’s a fair point

but extra content Improves the nrl bargaining position

realistically it might take five to ten years for the nrl to get what it’s really worth

any rugby league fan would look at those figures and say the afl isn’t doing so well

Only a dumb one! $750mill extra revenue in ten years, yeh its terrible lol

 

[Iamback]

geez how many times? They are announced as an AVERAGE yearly deal. That avg starts lower thn announced and finishes higher than announced, by 2-3% each year.

Each new deal done has nothing to do with inflation compared to the last one, it is influenced by a wide varity of factors, competition for rights being the biggest one.

Except they announced the total deal not the annual figure

$4.5b. Take out Telstra and it is around $3.8b that is total up until 2031.

It usually doesn't matter as much because deals are announced in the last 12 months, They can normally just keep escalating on the current rate not the case here

This was announced 3 years out and goes for 7 years instead of 5. As such the % of growth to allow for inflation is higher.

 

[Iamback]

Only a dumb one! $750mill extra revenue in ten years, yeh its terrible lol

Except the NRL deal isn't locked in for 10 years