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[Wb1234]

As usual you get years /facts wrong. Point your arguing with Lamback that $400 million is the amount is NOT the true amount 'by sighting the 2022 money amount at $410. But the we are talking about the new 5 year deal which started in March 2023 and has not been reported as yet, ( 1st year) and will be reported in the very soon ie in 2024 probably around February 2024. It's dishonest to report the last year of the old deal 2022 ( which was reported in 2023, which your commenting on ) As is this is the NRL new deal. Which it is not. By the way on a straight media Tv comparison leaving out a telecommunication company called Telstra, the NRL WON this 'deal' against the AFL even thou it was the last year of the 'old deal'. We will probably WIN the media rights fight this reporting period, AGAIN.
Number One NRL media rights champion 2022, and NOW , until 2025

Good analysis

 

[Perth Red]

Good analysis

apart from being totally wrong and quoting a licensing figure which includes tv, digital, wagering and merch royalties, then claiming I was suggesting it was the new tv deal amount which I never did, yeh it was a great analysis lol

 

[Wb1234]

apart from being totally wrong and quoting a licensing figure which includes tv, digital, wagering and merch royalties, then claiming I was suggesting it was the new tv deal amount which I never did, yeh it was a great analysis lol

If you’re right it means the nrl is killing it with wagering turnover which afl hasn’t matched and once our new tv kicks in with the phins we are going to be raking it In

and you mocked vlandys when he said he would get a gambling deal out of America

 

[Iamback]

The $1.8bill announced didnt include SkyNZ ($100mill)
All up it was around the $1.9bill a year or an avg $380mill a year with $24mill contra. So $356mill cash a year avg (pre covid adjustments). we dont know what the covid reduction for 20-21 were or what it went back up to in 2022.

this deal is announced at 'over'$2bill or an avg of 'over'$400mill from 2023-.
No idea if that is cash and contra or just cash.

Given we know there was no cash increase from Ch9 and we can assume of the $12mill Sky NZ increase included a chunk of contra then the real cash increase from last deals $356mill avg a year would need to be around $37mill plus a year just from Foxsports for that $400mill to be cash only. Highly unlikely given all we have heard about the shonky deal and them not catching a cold.

They reported $24m as contra.

We know ch9 was $10m year contra. Where is this chunk from Sky/Fox?

 

[Perth Red]

If you’re right it means the nrl is killing it with wagering turnover which afl hasn’t matched and once our new tv kicks in with the phins we are going to be raking it In

and you mocked vlandys when he said he would get a gambling deal out of America

we include wagering in this catch all licensing line to hide true figures, its around $45-50mil a year by my guess. I wouldnt be surprised at all if we have more betting revenue. We literally put a nag man in charge of the game! Sadly it hasnt made much difference to the massive revenue gap between the two sports. Whilst we are off chasing $10mill a year in America AFL is signing $640mill media deals. Hmmm.

 

[Wb1234]

we include wagering in this catch all licensing line to hide true figures, its around $45-50mil a year by my guess. I wouldnt be surprised at all if we have more betting revenue. We literally put a nag man in charge of the game! Sadly it hasnt made much difference to the massive revenue gap between the two sports. Whilst we are off chasing $10mill a year in America AFL is signing $640mill media deals. Hmmm.

Wow what a great wagering figure

pvl has increased it by 40 million pa

and soon more from Vegas

 

[Perth Red]

They reported $24m as contra.

We know ch9 was $10 a year contra. Where is this chunk from Sky/Fox

annual reports shows contra at $24.5mill a year in last deal. $10mill was from ch9, $14.5mill was from Fox and Sky NZ. We dont know the split between them.

If your claim that the $400mill is cash only then it would mean a cash increase on the last deal of around $44.5million. We know Sky NZ is $12mill cash and contra, so that would mean from Fox a cash increase of somewhere in region of $35-40mill a year in this deal. Seems unlikely given Vlandys comments.

Last deal (pre covid) was
Ch9 $115mil cash $10mill contra
SkyNZ $20mill cash and contra
Foxsports $235mill cash and contra

avg $380 mill cash and contra or total $1.9bill for 5 years

If the $400mill avg was cash only it would mean the actual deal is
$400 mill cash + $15mill contra Ch9 + around $15-20mill contra Fox/Sky

ie a total deal of $430mill ish or $2.15billion. Why NRL would underplay a tv deal and announce cash only for the first time is anyones guess. Seems unlikely, CEO's generally dont like to undersell themselves.

 

[Perth Red]

Wow what a great wagering figure

pvl has increased it by 40 million pa

and soon more from Vegas

eh? Where do you get $40mill increase from? If anything either the wagering has gone up in his reign whilst Tv, digital or licensing revenue has gone down or its about same. The licensing revenue line has hardly changed other that the dip during covid during his time.

Licensing revenue
2019 $403.3million
2020 $332.2million
2021 $405.1million
2022 $409.8million

 

[Wb1234]

annual reports shows contra at $24.5mill a year in last deal. $10mill was from ch9, $14.5mill was from Fox and Sky NZ. We dont know the split between them.

If your claim that the $400mill is cash only then it would mean a cash increase on the last deal of around $44.5million. We know Sky NZ is $12mill cash and contra, so that would mean from Fox a cash increase of somewhere in region of $35-40mill a year in this deal. Seems unlikely given Vlandys comments.

Last deal (pre covid) was
Ch9 $115mil cash $10mill contra
SkyNZ $20mill cash and contra
Foxsports $235mill cash and contra

avg $380 mill cash and contra or total $1.9bill for 5 years

If the $400mill avg was cash only it would mean the actual deal is
$400 mill cash + $15mill contra Ch9 + around $15-20mill contra Fox/Sky

ie a total deal of $430mill ish or $2.15billion. Why NRL would underplay a tv deal and announce cash only for the first time is anyones guess. Seems unlikely, CEO's generally dont like to undersell themselves.

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[Perth Red]

NRL has never reported wagering as a separate line item so impossible to say how the revenue has grown or not. Prior to the 'licensing' BS in 2020 it was lumped together with sponsorship in the financials.

 

[Iamback]

annual reports shows contra at $24.5mill a year in last deal. $10mill was from ch9, $14.5mill was from Fox and Sky NZ. We dont know the split between them.

If your claim that the $400mill is cash only then it would mean a cash increase on the last deal of around $44.5million. We know Sky NZ is $12mill cash and contra, so that would mean from Fox a cash increase of somewhere in region of $35-40mill a year in this deal. Seems unlikely given Vlandys comments.

Last deal (pre covid) was
Ch9 $115mil cash $10mill contra
SkyNZ $20mill cash and contra
Foxsports $235mill cash and contra

avg $380 mill cash and contra or total $1.9bill for 5 years

If the $400mill avg was cash only it would mean the actual deal is
$400 mill cash + $15mill contra Ch9 + around $15-20mill contra Fox/Sky

ie a total deal of $430mill ish or $2.15billion. Why NRL would underplay a tv deal and announce cash only for the first time is anyones guess. Seems unlikely, CEO's generally dont like to undersell themselves.

NRL used to announce the whole thing.

2012 has the exact Breakdowns

The last 2 deals haven't, except for reporting on the ch9 extension which was $575m

Then in the articles states the contra seperate.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL used to announce the whole thing.

2012 has the exact Breakdowns

The last 2 deals haven't, except for reporting on the ch9 extension which was $575m

Then in the articles states the contra seperate.

NRL has always announced the tv deal as a total of cash and contra. They've never announced a cash only deal.

2007 The NRL's deal with Nine and Fox Sports is worth $500 million over six years
2013 ARLC chairman John Grant announced to the media the five-year deal with Nine and Fox Sports is worth $1.025 billion
2018 total value of the final package will exceed $1.9 billion
2023 The overall figure of more than $2b for five years

So why would they announce the 2023 deal as cash only? And if it is cash only why woudl they undersell the deal by not sticking with tradition and announcing it as a $2.2billion total deal?

 

[Iamback]

NRL has always announced the tv deal as a total of cash and contra. They've never announced a cash only deal.

2007 The NRL's deal with Nine and Fox Sports is worth $500 million over six years
2013 ARLC chairman John Grant announced to the media the five-year deal with Nine and Fox Sports is worth $1.025 billion
2018 total value of the final package will exceed $1.9 billion
2023 The overall figure of more than $2b for five years

So why would they announce the 2023 deal as cash only? And if it is cash only why woudl they undersell the deal by not sticking with tradition and announcing it as a $2.2billion total deal?

Why announce the Ch9 deal as a $575m extension

It is actual $650m yet no where does it say that

Then annouce the deal with the co

 

[Perth Red]

Why announce the Ch9 deal as a $575m extension

It is actual $650m yet no where does it say that

Then annouce the deal with the co

eh? yes it was!

Nine have confirmed that their share of the deal is valued at more than $600m, including a contra component

Explainer: What broadcast deal means for the game

Players, clubs, NRLW, grassroots, fans to benefit

www.nrl.com

Nine Entertainment has signed a $650 million, five-year deal with the NRL, returning the value of the broadcast rights of the ruby league competition to pre-pandemic levels.

Nine signs $650 million deal to secure NRL for five years

Nine’s five-year deal with the NRL returns the value of the broadcast rights of the ruby league competition to pre-pandemic levels.

www.afr.com

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Does anyone believe the shit Perth Red says?

 

[Perth Red]

Does anyone believe the shit Perth Red says?

back to the expansion cave with you, this thread is for grown ups not the likes of you.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

back to the expansion cave with you, this thread is for grown ups not the likes of you.

You've told so many lies about the broadcast deal over the years.

 

[Iamback]

Is there anyone that thinks Fox didn't let ch9 have exclusive rights for the 3 Thurs night stand alone Origins?

So the deal changed. So why would you announce a set total when that is changing?

Hence why we get wording like 'over $400m a year instead of an exact total

 

[Perth Red]

Is there anyone that thinks Fox didn't let ch9 have exclusive rights for the 3 Thurs night stand alone Origins?

So the deal changed. So why would you announce a set total when that is changing?

Hence why we get wording like 'over $400m a year instead of an exact total

The deal didnt change post December 20th 2021 when it was announced.

 

[Iamback]

The deal didnt change post December 20th 2021 when it was announced.

I know as an AFL fan you missed the news.

NRLW Origin is 3 games on Thursday night. No other games. So Fox has no footy on those nights

Exclusive to ch9, There is no way ch9 aren't paying for the game to be exclusive.

So the deal changed