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[Wb1234]

I am talking the $570m bullshit you seem to want to use.

That’s the new deal which hasn’t even started yet

The previous deals were essentially the same

Maths doesn’t compute

 

[Wb1234]

Actually you could be closer to the money taking out Telstra cash their tv deal is probably less than 500 million on a cash basis

 

[Perth Red]

There was an $80m jump in that category last year. $50m for TV seems reasonable

There was a $76mill uplift in that revenue line.
I suspect something else has been added into that line, or gambling has jumped massively for some reason.

Why?

Well we know Ch9 arent paying anything extra. We know Sky NZ are paying around $10mill cash extra

so that would leave the Fox deal to have jumped $50-$65mill cash depending on revenue performance in merch, gambling, digital. Possible but is it likely given Vlandys 'cant catch a cold' comments? All we heard was Fox was adding in an extra $20mill for Dolphins.

 

[Perth Red]

Actually you could be closer to the money taking out Telstra cash their tv deal is probably less than 500 million on a cash basis

You think Telstra are paying $70mill+ cash? Weren't you saying back when that Telstra's was all contra?

 

[Wb1234]

You think Telstra are paying $70mill+ cash? Weren't you saying back when that Telstra's was all contra?

Not all contra no

Taking out tv contra and all the Telstra then yeh on a cash basis it’s under 500 million

We should beat that

Telstra should be worth 30 million cash for them imo

 

[Iamback]

There was a $76mill uplift in that revenue line.
I suspect something else has been added into that line, or gambling has jumped massively for some reason.

Why?

Well we know Ch9 arent paying anything extra. We know Sky NZ are paying around $10mill cash extra

so that would leave the Fox deal to have jumped $50-$65mill cash depending on revenue performance in merch, gambling, digital. Possible but is it likely given Vlandys 'cant catch a cold' comments? All we heard was Fox was adding in an extra $20mill for Dolphins.

The last deal was reported as $1.8bn. This as $2b

There is a $50m per year difference in the reporting matches the figures released

 

[Iamback]

That’s the new deal which hasn’t even started yet

The previous deals were essentially the same

Maths doesn’t compute

1 was a long term deal

1 was a short term reduced deal..

Surely you can tell the difference?

 

[Wb1234]

1 was a long term deal

1 was a short term reduced deal..

Surely you can tell the difference?

Can’t tell what point you are making there

The afl deal had less covid reductions than the nrl did and their revised deal was decent for them

You’ve just said the afl are getting 470 million and you said a few days ago you expected the nrl to get 500 million

You know that means more than the afl

Lmao

 

[Iamback]

Can’t tell what point you are making there

The afl deal had less covid reductions than the nrl did and their revised deal was decent for them

You’ve just said the afl are getting 470 million and you said a few days ago you expected the nrl to get 500 million

You know that means more than the afl

Lmao

No one knows that is the thing. I said up to that much based on some guesswork.

even if NRL gets $450m that is still on par with the gap that has always existed for reasons mentioned.

We are adding PNG and NZ 2 not teams in the US that adds huge money to the pot.

PNG is likely a token tv amount and a lack of competition in NZ are going to hurt

Unless DAZN buys fox and wants to pay for International rights aswell.

DAZN bidding against SkyNZ would be helpful

 

[Wb1234]

No one knows that is the thing. I said up to that much based on some guesswork.

even if NRL gets $450m that is still on par with the gap that has always existed for reasons mentioned.

We are adding PNG and NZ 2 not teams in the US that adds huge money to the pot.

PNG is likely a token tv amount and a lack of competition in NZ are going to hurt

Unless DAZN buys fox and wants to pay for International rights aswell.

DAZN bidding against SkyNZ would be helpful

We would’ve got 450 million without adding any new teams

If 3 teams doesnt add at least 50 million pa to the tv deals (nz and maybe even png) then why bother diluting the payments to clubs with 3 extra mouths to feed

I don’t even think 500 million is a good result for the nrl if stan is bidding against Fox

 

[Matt_CBY]

lol

Does anyone have the full article to this?

 

[Iamback]

We would’ve got 450 million without adding any new teams

If 3 teams doesnt add at least 50 million pa to the tv deals (nz and maybe even png) then why bother diluting the payments to clubs with 3 extra mouths to feed

I don’t even think 500 million is a good result for the nrl if stan is bidding against Fox

but again look at where the 3 teams are. Networks will lose money broadcasting from PNG.

Especially if they drop the games down. It isn't like this current setup of 27 rounds and just adding 2 games a week.

In that situation yes but you have probably 22 rounds. You less of the big teams that rate well replaced by teams that cost more to broadcast, don't bring in subs for Australian networks.

NRLW is played out of primetime unless the season gets moved an expanded comp still is played on Sat mornings losing money because 2 networks show it and it has 1/4 the audience that it would in prime time getting prime time dollar from advertisers.

That is before we get to a lack of competition for the rights

 

[Wb1234]

but again look at where the 3 teams are. Networks will lose money broadcasting from PNG.

Especially if they drop the games down. It isn't like this current setup of 27 rounds and just adding 2 games a week.

In that situation yes but you have probably 22 rounds. You less of the big teams that rate well replaced by teams that cost more to broadcast, don't bring in subs for Australian networks.

NRLW is played out of primetime unless the season gets moved an expanded comp still is played on Sat mornings losing money because 2 networks show it and it has 1/4 the audience that it would in prime time getting prime time dollar from advertisers.

That is before we get to a lack of competition for the rights

Stan v Fox

2 extra games every round (eventually)

Women’s origin

U19 origin

Pacific cup

And then there’s potential for a tv deal with png and more money from sky nz

 

[The_Wookie]

The last seperate figure we had was $300m or $50m a season.

That was last TV deal when NRL.com showed games roughly 2018.

This next deal goes 13 years past that and also is where advertisers are going now.

It was reported that this was continued through 2023-24

So on that basis Telstra should be paying a decent slab more or AFL would take the internet revenue like NRL has done

As for the upgrades the Vic Govt tipped in $120m. Usually these are dollar for dollar.

Not in this case.

The Victorian Government contributed 225m that deal was signed in 2018. Telstras upgrades had little to nothing to do with this deal, Telstras upgrades werent announced until 2020 and scheduled for completion by 2024. The 2025-2031 deal continues support for that and the AFL/AFLW web network.

I am talking the $570m bullshit you seem to want to use.

Everyone is guessing. All Mclachlan said during the Q&A after the announcement was that the cash component was "north of 4 billion". Everyone else has been pulling figures out their ass to try and work out what that means exactly, with/without Telstra. 570m a year puts it at almost exactly 4 billion - with 73m a year in contra (currently its 16m pa, so Id be astonished if that was the case)

 

[Iamback]

It was reported that this was continued through 2023-24


Everyone is guessing. All Mclachlan said during the Q&A after the announcement was that the cash component was "north of 4 billion". Everyone else has been pulling figures out their ass to try and work out what that means exactly, with/without Telstra. 570m a year puts it at almost exactly 4 billion - with 73m a year in contra (currently its 16m pa, so Id be astonished if that was the case)

Ch7 has said they are paying 25% more. That we know.

We also know the whole deal is 35% more in total

So that is a huge increase IF the majority is Fox which given their financial situation seems very unlikely.

The more likely scenario is both Networks paying 25% extra.
Telstra doing similar if not more on Internet seeing as the advertising is moving across online

The rest being the upgrades.

 

[The_Wookie]

Ch7 has said they are paying 25% more. That we know.

We also know the whole deal is 35% more in total

So that is a huge increase IF the majority is Fox which given their financial situation seems very unlikely.

The more likely scenario is both Networks paying 25% extra.
Telstra doing similar if not more on Internet seeing as the advertising is moving across online

The rest being the upgrades.

Got to remember this coming AFL deal was signed in 2022. Financial situations werent as dire as they seem to be now too.

 

[colly]

It was reported that this was continued through 2023-24



Not in this case.

The Victorian Government contributed 225m that deal was signed in 2018. Telstras upgrades had little to nothing to do with this deal, Telstras upgrades werent announced until 2020 and scheduled for completion by 2024. The 2025-2031 deal continues support for that and the AFL/AFLW web network.



Everyone is guessing. All Mclachlan said during the Q&A after the announcement was that the cash component was "north of 4 billion". Everyone else has been pulling figures out their ass to try and work out what that means exactly, with/without Telstra. 570m a year puts it at almost exactly 4 billion - with 73m a year in contra (currently its 16m pa, so Id be astonished if that was the case)

Any idea of the large amount of money (non media ) in the annual accounts of the AFL and NRL, which is in hundreds of million dollars, any idea where this money comes from ?????

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Can’t wait for the meltdown when the fumbler fans read that

You're always in meltdown mode, how will we tell the difference?

 

[Perth Red]

The last deal was reported as $1.8bn. This as $2b

There is a $50m per year difference in the reporting matches the figures released

$1.8 without overseas revenue. $1.9 with SkyNZ

NRL broadcast rights deal announced

Rugby League will reach more fans than ever before – both in Australia and globally – under a massive new NRL broadcast deal unveiled today.

www.nrl.com

 

[The_Wookie]

Any idea of the large amount of money (non media ) in the annual accounts of the AFL and NRL, which is in hundreds of million dollars, any idea where this money comes from ?????

breakdowns are a lot harder than they used to be. But it comes from event ticketing and corporates (for the NRL this means finals and Origins, for the AFL this means finals), wagering, sponsorship, development fees, merchandising and licensing. The NRL notes digital services income separately (AFL media is included in its broadcast revenues as its a JV with Telstra), and the NRL includes its investment revenues such as the Gambaro Hotel, whereas the AFL includes the revenue from Marvel stadium and its share of Champion data. Both bodies include their respective state bodies revenues in their income (the ones they control)