Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

you know that Binge and Kayo are neck and neck for subscriptions as of the last report, it follows that com/res subs will be similar in nature.

How many programs from binge make the top 100 programs on Foxtel ?

Nrl 72 percent ?

Binge ?
Afl?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Dazn spending 3.5 billion to buy Foxtel

Probably would’ve been better just to start their own network by bidding for the nrl rights on their own and then using that to expand

Them they could’ve got Foxtel for pennies on the dollar

Most of the goodwill paid is from nrl subscribers

And they still need to bid for the nrl deal now and may lose out

Yep, because a multi national company's only focus is a sporting competition in Australia.

 

[Iamback]

Not even legal streams are live without a 15-30 second delay and I go mad having Panther games dropout

I am at most Panthers games anyway but there is too many sports that clash. Sunday for example turn your phone off and watch 1 of F1 or footy on delay.

So I am used to the delay even on live sport

 

[Maximus]

If they were watching anything but sport then it would show on the ratings data

I get you are a bit thick so I will repeat

72 percent of the top 100 most watched programs on FOXTEL (all of it) are rugby league

You have been provided the sub data repeatedly. If you think it's wrong, call the SEC and report the fraud.

 

[ThornlieBear]

I'd watch illegal streams if I was in that boat

That would make you a criminal.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

That would make you a criminal.

 

[Iamback]

That would make you a criminal.

So is charging $40 for a single sport

 

[ThornlieBear]

So is charging $40 for a single sport

100% disagree with every fiber of my body.

 

[Iamback]

100% disagree with every fiber of my body.

You can get a much bigger popular sport in NBA for half of that. Even throw in the NFL for less than $40 a month

 

[Wb1234]

Nrl generates 40 percent higher ratings than afl on pay tv

Even if you accept fumblers argument that longer game length means something to pay tv (which I don’t) you can knock off ten percent for that argument

Now afl is getting 430 million pa from Foxtel next time around if you believe their numbers

So a fair value for the next nrl pay tv deal would be the 430 million pa afl gets plus thirty percent so :

550 million pa

Which is the entire afl tv deal In total

This is just based on existing ratings. Not the extra ratings from two more teams

I don’t think nrl will get its true value but it shows how valuable nrl will be to stan or Foxsports going forward

The two new teams will add around ten million more viewers just in Australia before we talk about png or nz

 

[ThornlieBear]

You can get a much bigger popular sport in NBA for half of that. Even throw in the NFL for less than $40 a month

an overseas based sport that's played a terrible times to watch in our timezone? cool

 

[Iamback]

an overseas based sport that's played a terrible times to watch in our timezone? cool

For a streaming service that we can watch in a good timezone... l

So we are expanding into Perth. You expect people in a niche market to drop $40 a month on a new sport?

 

[The_Wookie]

How many programs from binge make the top 100 programs on Foxtel ?

Nrl 72 percent ?

Binge ?
Afl?

When are you going to learn that subscription television is about SUBSCRIBERS not ratings. Ratings is a measurement literally devised to sell advertising - which Foxtel still do, but primarily its SUBSCRIBERS for SUBSCRIPTION TV which accounts for most of their revenue, by a factor of 6:1

Total Paying Subscriptions


Binge v Kayo

 

[ThornlieBear]

For a streaming service that we can watch in a good timezone... l

So we are expanding into Perth. You expect people in a niche market to drop $40 a month on a new sport?

It won't be the only way to watch games, sport.

 

[Wb1234]

When are you going to learn that subscription television is about SUBSCRIBERS not ratings. Ratings is a measurement literally devised to sell advertising - which Foxtel still do, but primarily its SUBSCRIBERS for SUBSCRIPTION TV which accounts for most of their revenue.

Hey sounds like a bs argument to me

Stick it with that reach stuff

If you have any proof ratings and subscribers aren’t very strongly correlated provide it

Or are you just trying to present your opinion as fact again

 

[The_Wookie]

Hey sounds like a bs argument to me

Its the ONLY argument that matters with subscription based TV. Anything else is irrelevelant, no matter what you have going on in your mind.

If you have any proof ratings and subscribers aren’t very strongly correlated provide it

I havent said anything of the sort. I stand by the statement that an organisation that reports 2.5b in subscription revenue, and 340m in advertising revenue, is not ratings driven. Its literally in the name subscription television.

Despite the bleating about ratings, nothing gets you around that. And that picture is not one you have demonstrated any capacity to understand.

Im literally demonstrating graphs showing your interpretation of the f**king subscription picture is a figment of your imagination.

Or are you just trying to present your opinion as fact again

Im literally showing Foxtel earnings release data. You are inventing stuff out of thin air.

 

[Wb1234]

Its the ONLY argument that matters with subscription based TV. Anything else is irrelevelant, no matter what you have going on in your mind.



I havent said anything of the sort. I stand by the statement that an organisation that reports 2.5b in subscription revenue, and 340m in advertising revenue, is not ratings driven. Its literally in the name subscription television.

Despite the bleating about ratings, nothing gets you around that. And that picture is not one you have demonstrated any capacity to understand.

Im literally demonstrating graphs showing your interpretation of the f**king subscription picture is a figment of your imagination.



Im literally showing Foxtel earnings release data. You are inventing stuff out of thin air.

Thanks for giving you’re opinion

I gave it as much consideration as last time

Lucky Pvl is using ratings data as his primary point of the negotiation

It’s funny you’ve spent 15 years collating ratings data and now have no clue what actually determines tv contracts

Ill ask again what basis are you arguing ratings don’t match the number of subscribers ?

 

[i0Nic]

Its the ONLY argument that matters with subscription based TV. Anything else is irrelevelant, no matter what you have going on in your mind.



I havent said anything of the sort. I stand by the statement that an organisation that reports 2.5b in subscription revenue, and 340m in advertising revenue, is not ratings driven. Its literally in the name subscription television.

Despite the bleating about ratings, nothing gets you around that. And that picture is not one you have demonstrated any capacity to understand.

Im literally demonstrating graphs showing your interpretation of the f**king subscription picture is a figment of your imagination.



Im literally showing Foxtel earnings release data. You are inventing stuff out of thin air.

Subscription services will use ratings as a proxy to gauge which programs are driving subscription uptake, retention/engagement and churn.

the more ratings something has, the higher engagement of their service from that program, the less chance of churning (unsubscribing).

if you think ratings / streams etc is irrelevant for subscription providers you’re dreaming

 

[Perth Red]

They`re spending $70m a year on that waste of time called fumbles-w, expect that to go up to $100m per annum soon, and have spent $200m+ over the last 4 or 5 years.
That`s how you blow the (questionable) $150m broadcast deal advantage you love to crow about and have sweet f**k all to show for it.

This year they will have somewhere around a $420mill revenue gap on us, they can afford to properly fund a full womens comp. One day NRL may be able to do the same and we may see a full comp in nrlw?

 

[i0Nic]

If anything subscription services have a lot more data on how people consume their programs, unlike fta. They can better determine which program is generating more value aka more subscribers for their platform and they’ll be looking at a variety of metrics.