Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[BuffaloRules]

Suggests to you of course.
Only this week V`landys said categorically " this will be a record deal".
Doubling down like that suggests to me he is pretty certain of this.

He has been very bullish for a while now …$600m a year is the pass mark I reckon …. He needs a big increase considering he rolled it last time ,,,He said so himself this figure is the target …look at all the upsides…they have given the AFL a bath this year with big increases across FTA and Pay…. They have an extra game a round and a new market in Perth for this upcoming deal …no excuses

 

[Cactus]

Not for mine, RL should have been as big if not bigger than AFL in the last deal, its a myth that we have suddenly become a big TV sport.

We have been that since 1995.

The underselling of the rights has been the issue, and Pete has been just as bad as any administrator to date.

This post loses massive amounts credibility when it:
a) We all know full well of all of the things/impediments that have happened to RL since 1995.
b) Mentions selling TV rights, then putting PVL in the same sentence as past administrators (oh lets just put David Gallopin there as a comparison) is un-effing-believable

 

[Wb1234]

This post loses massive amounts credibility when it:
a) We all know full well of all of the things/impediments that have happened to RL since 1995.
b) Mentions selling TV rights, then putting PVL in the same sentence as past administrators (oh lets just put David Gallopin there as a comparison) is un-effing-believable

Good points

News Ltd literally owned half the game until around 2015

And a second Brisbane club also wasn’t allowed till then

Taking out Covid when Pvl was hamstrung keeping the game going he’s basically announced 3 new nrl teams in under five years

 

[Maximus]

This post loses massive amounts credibility when it:
a) We all know full well of all of the things/impediments that have happened to RL since 1995.
b) Mentions selling TV rights, then putting PVL in the same sentence as past administrators (oh lets just put David Gallopin there as a comparison) is un-effing-believable

Ok why has he been better than other administrators in selling TV rights. What did he do so much better?

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Ok why has he been better than other administrators in selling TV rights. What did he do so much better?

After everything he has done I don`t want to be too tough on him about that last broadcast deal, from what we`ve seen since it was totally out of character and the circumstances were extraordinary, it is important to remember the game had zero assets and Nine and Foxtel basically had him over a barrel threatening breach of contract if games weren`t provided.

 

[Maximus]

After everything he has done I don`t want to be too tough on him about that last broadcast deal, from what we`ve seen since it was totally out of character and the circumstances were extraordinary, it is important to remember the game had zero assets and Nine and Foxtel basically had him over a barrel threatening breach of contract if games weren`t provided.

Right so the previous admins weren't over the barrel when negotiating with the part owners of the game, but he was when no other sport in the country did what he did?

Remember, Cactus took specific issue with comparing him on TV rights, so nothing else he has done is relevant. Even Gallop did more with negotiating out first and last rights, which was hurting the NRLs negotiating position.

 

[Canard]

This post loses massive amounts credibility when it:
a) We all know full well of all of the things/impediments that have happened to RL since 1995.
b) Mentions selling TV rights, then putting PVL in the same sentence as past administrators (oh lets just put David Gallopin there as a comparison) is un-effing-believable

PVL showed his arse to Fox and 9 at the last rights negotiations.

You can't spin that any other way.

 

[taipan]

Ok why has he been better than other administrators in selling TV rights. What did he do so much better?

As John McEnroe would say to the umpire, you cannot be f*cking serious ?
None of the prior geniuses had COVID to contend with, and he kept the game alive by @ starting the comp up earlier than other codes(ridiculed for that including AFL)
b) Establishing a bubble in Queensland to isolate players and ensure the games would continue.
c)Ensure a change of rules and tightening up of cheap shots made the game more attractive to fans & viewers, not perfect but better than some off the dribble we put up with prior administrators.
d)Is an internationalist promoting the game such as the Vegas season start.
e) Ensured salary cap cheaters did not get away with it until too late like Gallop.
f() the deals he has made has enabled the code to build up an asset base, which no administrator has done before.
g) Look at the record crowds & TV ratings to push for better deals under his watch.
h) Expanded the code to underpin future & better deal.
We can argue about the last deal COVID influenced the value and how it compared to AFL.
Never forget David Gallop in front of TV stating"This is the biggest TV deal in Australian sport" .
Two weeks later he got reamed by the AFL deal and the silence from him was deafening, tail between his legs.

Grant was barely seen in action. Smith tried hard but really failed to grasp the RL culture.
Here endeth my rant

 

[Wb1234]

As John McEnroe would say to the umpire, you cannot be f*cking serious ?
None of the prior geniuses had COVID to contend with, and he kept the game alive by @ starting the comp up earlier than other codes(ridiculed for that including AFL)
b) Establishing a bubble in Queensland to isolate players and ensure the games would continue.
c)Ensure a change of rules and tightening up of cheap shots made the game more attractive to fans & viewers, not perfect but better than some off the dribble we put up with prior administrators.
d)Is an internationalist promoting the game such as the LA season start.
e) Ensured salary cap cheaters did not get away with it until too late like Gallop.
f() the deals he has made has enabled the code to build up an asset base, which no administrator has done before.
g) Look at the record crowds & TV ratings to push for better deals under his watch.
h) Expanded the code to underpin future & better deal.
We can argue about the last deal COVID influenced the value and how it compared to AFL.
Never forget David Gallop in front of TV stating"This is the biggest TV deal in Australian sport" .
Two weeks later he got reamed by the AFL deal and the silence from him was deafening, tail between his legs.

Grant was barely seen in action. Smith tried hard but really failed to grasp the RL culture.
Here endeth my rant

Afl got double our deal

And gallops justification after was afl has a national comp and we didn’t lol

 

[colly]

As John McEnroe would say to the umpire, you cannot be f*cking serious ?
None of the prior geniuses had COVID to contend with, and he kept the game alive by @ starting the comp up earlier than other codes(ridiculed for that including AFL)
b) Establishing a bubble in Queensland to isolate players and ensure the games would continue.
c)Ensure a change of rules and tightening up of cheap shots made the game more attractive to fans & viewers, not perfect but better than some off the dribble we put up with prior administrators.
d)Is an internationalist promoting the game such as the Vegas season start.
e) Ensured salary cap cheaters did not get away with it until too late like Gallop.
f() the deals he has made has enabled the code to build up an asset base, which no administrator has done before.
g) Look at the record crowds & TV ratings to push for better deals under his watch.
h) Expanded the code to underpin future & better deal.
We can argue about the last deal COVID influenced the value and how it compared to AFL.
Never forget David Gallop in front of TV stating"This is the biggest TV deal in Australian sport" .
Two weeks later he got reamed by the AFL deal and the silence from him was deafening, tail between his legs.

Grant was barely seen in action. Smith tried hard but really failed to grasp the RL culture.
Here endeth my rant

"Here endeth my/your rant." Taipan.
And a fair one at that! Last year, know way back some 12 months the deals between the NRL and AFL were almost identical, around $400+ million per year, the AFL were slightly in head but not by much, and so were are yet to do our deal.........

 

[Maximus]

As John McEnroe would say to the umpire, you cannot be f*cking serious ?
None of the prior geniuses had COVID to contend with, and he kept the game alive by @ starting the comp up earlier than other codes(ridiculed for that including AFL)
b) Establishing a bubble in Queensland to isolate players and ensure the games would continue.
c)Ensure a change of rules and tightening up of cheap shots made the game more attractive to fans & viewers, not perfect but better than some off the dribble we put up with prior administrators.
d)Is an internationalist promoting the game such as the Vegas season start.
e) Ensured salary cap cheaters did not get away with it until too late like Gallop.
f() the deals he has made has enabled the code to build up an asset base, which no administrator has done before.
g) Look at the record crowds & TV ratings to push for better deals under his watch.
h) Expanded the code to underpin future & better deal.
We can argue about the last deal COVID influenced the value and how it compared to AFL.
Never forget David Gallop in front of TV stating"This is the biggest TV deal in Australian sport" .
Two weeks later he got reamed by the AFL deal and the silence from him was deafening, tail between his legs.

Grant was barely seen in action. Smith tried hard but really failed to grasp the RL culture.
Here endeth my rant

Given the post was about underselling the previous rights, nothing you posted is relevant.

You bring up covid, but the AFL also had covid. You know what they didn't do? Bend over to the networks like he did.

 

[colly]

Given the post was about underselling the previous rights, nothing you posted is relevant.

You bring up covid, but the AFL also had covid. You know what they didn't do? Bend over to the networks like he did.

How to do measure fact free statements. First you admit that the AFL did get discounted, how can we tell your 'bend over backwards' this must mean you know what the AFL discounts were? I remember that their wasn't too much between the NRL and AFL, but the AFL signed a short two year deal, which we matched ie last year financial accounts. I think the percentage COVID discounts were the close if not he same.. Happy to be corrected, if you supply the AFL discounts as a percentage and a total amount for the years 2020 till 2022

 

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ESPN has quietly become a major Australian TV network​

ESPN wants advertisers to know that it’s the biggest game in town. Since its two linear stations and an assortment of its rich content library became available on Disney+ in March, ESPN claims it has leapfrogged Foxtel’s Kayo and Stan Sports to become Australia’s largest sports streamer.

“The integration meant that ESPN became the most widely distributed sports network in the country,” said Kylie Watson-Wheeler, the senior vice president and managing director, at a sunny ESPN upfront, held at Sydney’s Taronga Park Zoo on Tuesday afternoon.

ESPN has quietly become a major Australian TV network

ESPN wants advertisers to know that it’s the biggest game in town. Since its two linear stations and an assortment of its rich content library became available on Disney+ in March, ESPN claims it has leapfrogged Foxtel’s Kayo and Stan Sports to become Australia’s largest sports streamer.“The...

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[taipan]

Given the post was about underselling the previous rights, nothing you posted is relevant.

You bring up covid, but the AFL also had covid. You know what they didn't do? Bend over to the networks like he did.

It's all relevant FFS. You posed the question why is he better than others selling TV rights. I gave you a considered response with reasons and conditions existing at the time.Comparing how he built the game up to put the code in position to obtain decent TV rights.The prior guys achieved nothing special in their negotiations .If that was the case we would have had an asset base, we didn't full stop.

Show me the ones who were better at selling TV rights within the NRL ?

Bent over or saving the game ? The code was at the stage of nearly falling over with no asset backing.The great former NRL leaders had no assets , is that a result of good TV negotiation.

7 was in a better financial condition than 9 ATT. The AFL had COVID and lacked the guts to start their comp early so the code could get paid and players could get some early certainty.The AFL were behind the 8 ball in establishing a COVID free bubble zone.That's called thinking outside the square.

 

[Cactus]

Ok why has he been better than other administrators in selling TV rights. What did he do so much better?

He has been a better adminstrator period. In all aspects.

It isnt overly complex. Without even going into the litany of reasons PVL is warp factor light years ahead it can be firstly explained in one key point.

At no time has Vlandys ever been parachuted into a leadership position in RL while maintaining close ties to News Ltd or been the legal spear tip for John Ribots SL plan.

 

[Cactus]

Remember, Cactus took specific issue with comparing him on TV rights, so nothing else he has done is relevant.

As if you get to decide whats included in other peoples opinions. You sound a lot like that american e-karen prat julie inman grant.

 

[Maximus]

As if you get to decide whats included in other peoples opinions. You sound a lot like that american e-karen prat julie inman grant.

I'm not surprised you don't want to stick to your own argument, as you know it's impossible.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Oh look, it's mrs sad case maxipad, nothing to see here. No love for Rugga League. A plant or a 2nd account backing up the 1st one. Go and play in the sandbox you miserable old grumblebum.

 

[Cactus]

I'm not surprised you don't want to stick to your own argument, as you know it's impossible.

Looks like you dont even get what the argument I put forward. What argument do you assert I am making karen ?

 

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No all-NRL bid with Domain funds​

The Brisbane Broncos’ victory over the Melbourne Storm at Sydney’s Accor Stadium was the most-watched grand final in NRL history – beating the AFL, which Stanton says came from Nine and the NRL “throwing the kitchen sink” at it. “We were doing a full court press on this,” he said.
Days before the grand final, though, Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys put out a targeted warning to Nine and Foxtel, the two media companies that broadcast the code. His message? Don’t submit a joint bid for the next set of rights, which expire at the end of 2027.
“If they collude, it will be at their peril,” V’landys told the Financial Review. “We will take the rights elsewhere.”
The NRL rights are a prized asset, and V’landys said he can secure a bigger deal than the AFL, which signed a $4.5 billion, seven-year contract with Seven West Media and Foxtel starting from 2025 (the NRL’s deal with Nine and Foxtel is worth $1.7 billion over five years to 2027).
A formal process is expected to kick off within months.

Nine has been considering making a play for two exclusive games each week, according to sources with knowledge of the company’s thinking – a reduction from its current three, non-exclusive games. Stanton would not talk numbers or about Nine’s bid.
“I’m not sure how we’re colluding or co-ordinating within no when there’s no process,” he said, adding that V’landys’ comments were not an idle threat. “There are always places you can go. You’ve got Paramount and Ten.”
Paramount, which owns Ten, was just acquired by David Ellison, the son of billionaire Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison.
“They’re sitting there with new ownership, one of the richest guys in the world. Ten-Paramount were in for the AFL. They’ve got to make a decision, whether they come into this marketplace in a big way, or do they just sit back and be a small player.”

Domain sale funds won’t be used to chase NRL rights: Nine CEO

A year into the job of running Australia’s biggest media company, Matt Stanton has some runs on the board. He wants to talk about them.

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Strange thing to say as a rival network.