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[TooheysNew]

Why do you have a problem with something being symbolic to white Australians, Coby?

Where did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth.

Your original post was dumb because it was thinly veiled racism against Aboriginal people having something symbolic.

I don't care if any other group does the same - it's just a symbol.

 

[salivor]

Yes, it is. I want this fantastic flag that we have at the moment to be sybolic to ALL AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE.

The aborigines want their own flag and want to be seperate from everybody else.

Migrants who come from all over the world live under our flag, so why can't the Aborigines?

Do they? I don't want to speak for Aboriginies but I'm pretty sure they're happy to be represented by both flags.

 

[NK Arsenal]

Do they? I don't want to speak for Aboriginies but I'm pretty sure they're happy to be represented by both flags.

OK, so if they want to be represented by both flags than why can't white aussies like me be represented by a white australian flag and the current australian flag?

Your original post was dumb because it was thinly veiled racism against Aboriginal people having something symbolic.

I can guarantee you that if white Australians had their own flag, we'd be called racist.

 

[TooheysNew]

I can guarantee you that if white Australians had their own flag, we'd be called racist.

No offence intented, but your guarantee means very little.

 

[salivor]

OK, so if they want to be represented by both flags than why can't white aussies like me be represented by a white australian flag and the current australian flag?

I don't see a problem in Europeans having pride in their heritage and their race but history shows that it never ends at that and eventually always turns into a vehicle for racism and anti-immigration of those of ethnic backgrounds.

 

[Lego_Man]

I don't see a problem in Europeans having pride in their heritage and their race but history shows that it never ends at that and eventually always turns into a vehicle for racism and anti-immigration of those of ethnic backgrounds.

You think that's a white man's trait...that's only because you are part of the western world and it's all you can see. Others have similar thoughts - for example the Japanese race historically have looked down on the white man as inferior, let alone the black man. And how do you account for harbhajan's singh's "monkey" comment to symonds, not to mention the anti-white chants that come up in the crowd when touring teams play in India/pakistan?. They may both be brown, but dont for a second think that there are no racial tensions there.


Also anti-immigration =/= racism.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Why do you have a problem with something being symbolic to white Australians, Coby?

Because "White Australians" don't exist as any sort of meaningful group thats worth singling out to identify as unless you're a racist f**kwit?
You're talking about a flag that people can only identify with based on THEIR SKIN COLOUR. So someone who is born in Australia to Asian or Indian parents is not represented by it, but someone who is born to English or German (for example) parents is, depiste that fact that the person with Asian or Indian parents might act every bit as "Aussie" as the bloke with white parents. Thats one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time, "white" isn't a race or a culture, if you're looking for a cultural identity identify yourself as "Australian", or identify with whatever culture your ancestors came from before they got here.
(and for the record, I think identifying solely as "black" is equally dumb unless you're only referring to a single group with some sort of shared heritage, ie African Americans)

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

I am a white Australian and am very proud of the fact.

On Australia day I wore a hat with the Australian flag on it down in the shire, were I attended the gymea fair and went to the pub just near the shopping centre.

Am I racist?

No. I am a proud White Australian, who is proud of the flag and the country it represents.

Its funny I'll get bagged for saying this yet anyone else who talks in depth about their lebanese or greek heritage is commended. I really dont see the difference.

Sure they're a few dickheads out there but as with terrorists in the muslim community they are a vaste majority. So why should we perscute anyone for showing pride in a flag due to the actions of a few? Do we have a go at Muslim women for showing pride in wearing their head dress? No. Jewish Boys in wearing their skull cap? No. Hindus for wearing sheets? No. These are things that are an important part of their identity as the Australian flag is to others.

 

[salivor]

You think that's a white man's trait...that's only because you are part of the western world and it's all you can see. Others have similar thoughts - for example the Japanese race historically have looked down on the white man as inferior, let alone the black man. And how do you account for harbhajan's singh's "monkey" comment to symonds, not to mention the anti-white chants that come up in the crowd when touring teams play in India/pakistan?. They may both be brown, but dont for a second think that there are no racial tensions there.


Also anti-immigration =/= racism.

I must've missed the part in my post where I said only white people are racist, maybe it's in the same part where I said anti-immigration was racism. Oh wait, neither are there but please don't let me get in the way of your rant.

 

[The Dodger]

why dont we have an ethnic australian flag since the majority that live here are ethnic.

not to mention the fact that the ethnics were the ones that civilised this country too...

hey they were smarter too, they arrived in planes, the white australian arrived in chains...

also, we should thank them for bringing over all their traditional dishes which are now considered australian cuisine...

 

[NK Arsenal]

Because "White Australians" don't exist as any sort of meaningful group thats worth singling out to identify as unless you're a racist f**kwit?
You're talking about a flag that people can only identify with based on THEIR SKIN COLOUR. So someone who is born in Australia to Asian or Indian parents is not represented by it, but someone who is born to English or German (for example) parents is, depiste that fact that the person with Asian or Indian parents might act every bit as "Aussie" as the bloke with white parents. Thats one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time, "white" isn't a race or a culture, if you're looking for a cultural identity identify yourself as "Australian", or identify with whatever culture your ancestors came from before they got here.
(and for the record, I think identifying solely as "black" is equally dumb unless you're only referring to a single group with some sort of shared heritage, ie African Americans)

Oh FFS you're full of it mate.
Aboriginal people are generally black and their flag represents black people. I mean, FFS who doesn't know that the black on the Aboriginal flag doesn't represent the colour of the Aboriginal flag.
Their flag generally relates to their skin colour.
White Australians are not represented by the Aboriginal flag and we are as much of an Aussie as them. We were born here too and we are Australians like them!
I was born to an English mother and a father with German heritage, so it's kinda obvious you used me as an example.
A person who is born in Australia with parents/grandparents/ancestors etc from a different country is an Australian with a specific background. They aren't >>insert other country here<<.
Where you raised in TodayTonight headquarters or something??

I am a white Australian and am very proud of the fact.

On Australia day I wore a hat with the Australian flag on it down in the shire, were I attended the gymea fair and went to the pub just near the shopping centre.

Am I racist?

No. I am a proud White Australian, who is proud of the flag and the country it represents.

Its funny I'll get bagged for saying this yet anyone else who talks in depth about their lebanese or greek heritage is commended. I really dont see the difference.

Well said.

 

[TooheysNew]

You're getting awfully worked up about this mate. Something you want to get off your chest?

 

[Lego_Man]

I must've missed the part in my post where I said only white people are racist, maybe it's in the same part where I said anti-immigration was racism. Oh wait, neither are there but please don't let me get in the way of your rant.

I wasnt ranting at you sali...that is just the way i interpreted your post. You highlighted the tendency of Europeans to revert to racism ("history shows that", implying that they were the main culprits), then the second sentence seemed to equate racism with anti-immigration.

 

[salivor]

I wasnt ranting at you sali...that is just the way i interpreted your post. You highlighted the tendency of Europeans to revert to racism ("history shows that", implying that they were the main culprits), then the second sentence seemed to equate racism with anti-immigration.

What I meant by the history shows comment was just that, when there are calls for pride in the white race, our own flag etc it is and has almost always has been with racist intentions. That's not a comment on any other races racist tendancies. Trust me, as someone who works in a workplace made up of about 60% Maori and Pacific Island peoples, I'm under no illusions that racism is a one way street.

Re immigatration, obviously being anit-immigration in itself is not racist hence why I added the disclaimer of towards other ethnic groups.

 

[Sheros los Deros]

I can guarantee you that if white Australians had their own flag, we'd be called racist

A flag for white Australians is racist.

There are many people in this country who are not 'white' who are represented by the current Australian Flag. In this country a proportion of people are Indians and Pakistanis, Filipinos, Indonesians, Europeans, Africans.

I have no problem with Aboriginal having their own flag. The current Australian flag doesn't acknowledge the long Aboriginal occupation of this country

 

[salivor]

Oh FFS you're full of it mate.
Aboriginal people are generally black and their flag represents black people. I mean, FFS who doesn't know that the black on the Aboriginal flag doesn't represent the colour of the Aboriginal flag.
Their flag generally relates to their skin colour.
White Australians are not represented by the Aboriginal flag and we are as much of an Aussie as them. We were born here too and we are Australians like them!
I was born to an English mother and a father with German heritage, so it's kinda obvious you used me as an example.
A person who is born in Australia with parents/grandparents/ancestors etc from a different country is an Australian with a specific background. They aren't >>insert other country here<<.
Where you raised in TodayTonight headquarters or something??

So what is the exact problem? You're obviously proud of the Australian flag and feel it represents you and your "Australian-ness". In what way does the Aboriginies having a flag of their own in anyway affect you and your pride and feeling of representation in the Australian flag or affect you in any way at all for that matter?

It apears that you don't want a white flag at all, you just want to have everyone fly the same flag as you. Did I nail it? I think earlier comparisons between you and the types that force people to kiss the flag aren't far off, that kind of behaviour seems right up your ally.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Oh FFS you're full of it mate.
Aboriginal people are generally black and their flag represents black people. I mean, FFS who doesn't know that the black on the Aboriginal flag doesn't represent the colour of the Aboriginal flag.
Their flag generally relates to their skin colour.
White Australians are not represented by the Aboriginal flag and we are as much of an Aussie as them. We were born here too and we are Australians like them!
I was born to an English mother and a father with German heritage, so it's kinda obvious you used me as an example.
A person who is born in Australia with parents/grandparents/ancestors etc from a different country is an Australian with a specific background. They aren't >>insert other country here<<.
Where you raised in TodayTonight headquarters or something??

Okay then, tell me what defines a "White Australian"? What do "White Australians" have in common that makes them different to "Australians"?

And don;t be so f**king precious, how the hell did I know that you had English/German ancestry until you posted it?

 

[Kurt Angle]

Thats one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time, "white" isn't a race or a culture,

Erhh... all whites are caucasoids.

"White" is a race.

 

[Dr Crane]

I am a white Australian and am very proud of the fact.

On Australia day I wore a hat with the Australian flag on it down in the shire, were I attended the gymea fair and went to the pub just near the shopping centre.

Am I racist?

No. I am a proud White Australian, who is proud of the flag and the country it represents.

Its funny I'll get bagged for saying this yet anyone else who talks in depth about their lebanese or greek heritage is commended. I really dont see the difference.

Sure they're a few dickheads out there but as with terrorists in the muslim community they are a vaste majority. So why should we perscute anyone for showing pride in a flag due to the actions of a few? Do we have a go at Muslim women for showing pride in wearing their head dress? No. Jewish Boys in wearing their skull cap? No. Hindus for wearing sheets? No. These are things that are an important part of their identity as the Australian flag is to others.

Was that part necessary?

 

[Kurt Angle]

why dont we have an ethnic australian flag since the majority that live here are ethnic.

:lol:

76% of the country was born here

not to mention the fact that the ethnics were the ones that civilised this country too...

:lol:

A Westminister style parliament existed here from the very beginning of British settlement.

The concept of juris prudence existed her from the very beginning of British settlement.

A mercantile culture existed here from British settlement.

The opening up of the harsh interior for our first large scale primary industries was created under British settlement.

That is the culture of 'skips'... and it is our culture why you are here.

You are not here for corroborrees, you are not here for an aboriginal dream time experience.

You are here because it is safe, prosperous, fair and transparent.

You are here because of OUR culture....

Your culture is fatty food and some dumb arse costumes you dance in once a year on your 'national' day.

Show some gratitude.

hey they were smarter too, they arrived in planes, the white australian arrived in chains...

:lol:

Myth... less than 1% of Australians can trace their heritage back to convicts.

Those convicts however built a land with no infrastructure that became propserous, while your ancestors at the same time couldn't handle electricity or sewerage.

The ones that arrived in chains overtook your lot in 80 years.

also, we should thank them for bringing over all their traditional dishes which are now considered australian cuisine...

Then we shouldn't be thanking 'ethnics'... Asian cuisine has been aborbed more widely spread, and at a much quicker rate in Australia than southern european cuisine.

I can handle that.. thank more Asians, they're superior to Mediterranean Descendants.