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No Expansion for at least 5 years

gyallop

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John Grant has publicly said that there will no expansion for 5 years and it seems the Bid teams haven't been told...impressive way to treat people who have worked hard in the game from a man who has had no involvement till no since he retired 30 years ago!!

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2012/10/04/ipswich-bid-for-nrl-canned-for-five-years/

LEAGUE boss John Grant has crash-tackled Ipswich's bid to have a team in the National Rugby League (NRL) competition.
The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman said no new team would be admitted to the competition for at least the next five years, the life of the recently signed broadcast deal.

Mr Grant said the expansion of the competition, whcih some had hoped could come as soon as 2015, might be as far away as 10 years.

Other bids for a new team came from Central Queensland, Brisbane, the NSW Central Coast and Perth.

David Gallop was an advocate for the Western Corridor bid including Ipswich when he was the chief executive of the NRL.

But Mr Gallop resigned as chief executive of the new Australian Rugby League Commission in June, four months into his contract.

Speaking exclusively to the QT, Mr Grant said when the commission took over from the NRL it found very work little had been done about expansion.

He said there had been no analysis of the effect on the game and no timeline for bringing a new team into the competition.

Negotiations for the new broadcast deal between the ARL, Channel Nine and Foxtel revealed no financial benefit from a new team, he said.

"One of the considerations we had when it came to the new broadcast licence was whether there was any additional value of an additional game," Mr Grant said. "We've got eight games a weekend now, with an extra team there would be nine games.

"The bottom line is they didn't see any value in an additional game. So where we are now is that as a result of the broadcast rights negotiations, there's no justification for expansion.

"If you don't have any value in an additional game you have to find funds from somewhere else."

He said it could take up to 10 years for a consortium to generate sustainable backing to run and support a team in the NRL.

Mayor Paul Pisasale was buoyant about Mr Grant's announcement, saying it gave Ipswich's bid a starting point.

"It's good because we know where we stand and we know what we have to do to reach our goal," the Mayor said.

"We were told by David Gallop that there was a bid and we took it very seriously not only for the city but for young people coming through wanting to play rugby league and for the whole corridor from Toowoomba right through."

He said the first step in getting a bid ready to be admitted into the competition was developing a partnership with an NRL club.

"What we're doing is getting processes in place where young people in Ipswich can go through and play in the NRL," he said.

"So we're negotiating with the Broncos to see whether they are prepared to sign a MOU (memorandum of understanding) with the city, with the junior rugby league, the IRL and the Jets."

Western Corridor bid chief Steven Johnson was disappointed the commission hadn't told him but took the decision in his stride.

"Obviously when David Gallop was head of the NRL he had a different view of expansion to the commission," Mr Johnson said.

"But we can't change their mind and we wouldn't want to. We'll have to be patient and wait our time. We're confident when the expansion comes through we'll be in a position to be first chosen."

He supported Ipswich forming a partnership with an NRL club such as the Broncos, saying the Mayor's idea was "not inconsistent with our vision and our model".

"We'd be happy to partner with any club that shares our vision," he said. "Speaking as chairman of Ipswich Jets, we need a pathway to the NRL through the Ipswich Junior Rugby League, the IRL and the Ipswich Jets."
 

Perth Red

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Wtf? I hope he has been quoted out of context because what he has said is untrue and either shows ignorance or stupidity. Either is a big worry for someone charged with leading the game.

As for where will it be paid from, we'll if the figures for the GF out of Melbourne don't show them the value of opening up new markets nothing will.
 

BuffaloRules

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The bottom line is they didn't see any value in an additional game.
How can the additional game ( and the subsequent expansion markets) have " no value"???

The only thing I can think of is that the Suns and Giants have diluted the overall AFL competition, so they are thinking the same for NRL...
 

clarency

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Nothing wrong with that. Just means they would like the game to get of its knees before we start adding to it.

Every bid team knew the risks of spending money when there was no announcement of increasing the number of teams. The NRL doesn't owe them anything.
 

Quidgybo

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How can the additional game ( and the subsequent expansion markets) have " no value"???
Well it might have no value (to the television) in year one, when the new clubs are struggling on the field and have no ratings history to entice the networks to pay for it. But that doesn't mean it has no value by year three or four, once the new clubs have a few runs on the board. That's why you start introducing the clubs two or three years *before* you want to cash in on the extra television rights!

Leigh.
 

The Great Dane

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Must be out of context John Grant does not come across as an idiot. I think what he meant was if no bid team can display that they can sustain them selves for a long period of time that it could be up to ten years before the league expands but if a bid team/teams can prove to the ARLC that they will not need financial support from the ARLC then the ARLC will have them in the league as soon as possible.
 

9701

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John Grant has publicly said that there will no expansion for 5 years and it seems the Bid teams haven't been told...impressive way to treat people who have worked hard in the game from a man who has had no involvement till no since he retired 30 years ago!!

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2012/10/04/ipswich-bid-for-nrl-canned-for-five-years/

LEAGUE boss John Grant has crash-tackled Ipswich's bid to have a team in the National Rugby League (NRL) competition.
The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman said no new team would be admitted to the competition for at least the next five years, the life of the recently signed broadcast deal.

Mr Grant said the expansion of the competition, whcih some had hoped could come as soon as 2015, might be as far away as 10 years.

Other bids for a new team came from Central Queensland, Brisbane, the NSW Central Coast and Perth.

David Gallop was an advocate for the Western Corridor bid including Ipswich when he was the chief executive of the NRL.

But Mr Gallop resigned as chief executive of the new Australian Rugby League Commission in June, four months into his contract.

Speaking exclusively to the QT, Mr Grant said when the commission took over from the NRL it found very work little had been done about expansion.

He said there had been no analysis of the effect on the game and no timeline for bringing a new team into the competition.

Negotiations for the new broadcast deal between the ARL, Channel Nine and Foxtel revealed no financial benefit from a new team, he said.

"One of the considerations we had when it came to the new broadcast licence was whether there was any additional value of an additional game," Mr Grant said. "We've got eight games a weekend now, with an extra team there would be nine games.

"The bottom line is they didn't see any value in an additional game. So where we are now is that as a result of the broadcast rights negotiations, there's no justification for expansion.

"If you don't have any value in an additional game you have to find funds from somewhere else."

He said it could take up to 10 years for a consortium to generate sustainable backing to run and support a team in the NRL.

Mayor Paul Pisasale was buoyant about Mr Grant's announcement, saying it gave Ipswich's bid a starting point.

"It's good because we know where we stand and we know what we have to do to reach our goal," the Mayor said.

"We were told by David Gallop that there was a bid and we took it very seriously not only for the city but for young people coming through wanting to play rugby league and for the whole corridor from Toowoomba right through."

He said the first step in getting a bid ready to be admitted into the competition was developing a partnership with an NRL club.

"What we're doing is getting processes in place where young people in Ipswich can go through and play in the NRL," he said.

"So we're negotiating with the Broncos to see whether they are prepared to sign a MOU (memorandum of understanding) with the city, with the junior rugby league, the IRL and the Jets."

Western Corridor bid chief Steven Johnson was disappointed the commission hadn't told him but took the decision in his stride.

"Obviously when David Gallop was head of the NRL he had a different view of expansion to the commission," Mr Johnson said.

"But we can't change their mind and we wouldn't want to. We'll have to be patient and wait our time. We're confident when the expansion comes through we'll be in a position to be first chosen."

He supported Ipswich forming a partnership with an NRL club such as the Broncos, saying the Mayor's idea was "not inconsistent with our vision and our model".

"We'd be happy to partner with any club that shares our vision," he said. "Speaking as chairman of Ipswich Jets, we need a pathway to the NRL through the Ipswich Junior Rugby League, the IRL and the Ipswich Jets."

Umm wouldn't an extra team mean a bye not an extra game?
 

Perth Red

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"The bottom line is they didn't see any value in an additional game. So where we are now is that as a result of the broadcast rights negotiations, there's no justification for expansion.

Justification is to grow the game. For far too long we have let the game be led by the nose based on what TV execs want. how about making a strategy for the good of the game? Here's an idea make the game a Sunday afternoon and give it away to ABC as long as they show it nationally live. Great exposure for club and game sponsors, wrestles back massive Tv ratings from AFL and when 2018 comes around you have more to sell next time. TV wants a 6:30pm live TV game, instead of stiffing fans even more and creating another Monday night crowd debacle introduce Perth and you can have at least 1/2 of them played live in daylight from WA in front of a full house.
"If you don't have any value in an additional game you have to find funds from somewhere else."

Find it from the extra $100mill+ a year the game now has. Spend some to make some more. Get it on FTA and watch the sponsorship $'s increase and then when 2018 comes around your product is more valuable to sell next time. Do you think the AFL decided on further expansion due to TV execs seeing it as valuable?

He said it could take up to 10 years for a consortium to generate sustainable backing to run and support a team in the NRL.

WTF? Perth and Bears both have 7 figure sponsors lined up, both have a record of 20k crowds willing to attend games, both have strong grass roots membership and support. CQ claims much the same. Why would it take 10 years?

He said there had been no analysis of the effect on the game and no timeline for bringing a new team into the competition.

So his answer is to wait up to another 10 years before doing that work? To suggest no work has been done is insulting to the bids and all the money and hard work they have done preparing for expansion and putting their case forward. Just because the games heads sit with their thumbs up their arses doesn't mean no work has happened.

Finally why would he even come out with all this now when he has stated a number of times that all will be revealed inthe games strategic plan? Very unprofessional
 

gyallop

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well said Red. It seems the Commission has fallen into the trap of saying we can say nothing until we have a strategy , taking too long to announce the strategy then not being able to hold water and start leaking information when pressed by journos.
I love the continued comments that no-one from the NRL told anyone to prepare bids...did the bidders imagine the original 2013 date and the revised 2015 date, did the NRL ever say guys we may not expand please dont waste yours or the publics money? I must have dreamt of NRL hierarchy inspecting bid regions and make comment.
Last time I checked the new footy year starts in 27 days and we have no news on the cap or the club grants.
If this is how the Commission goes about business no wonder David Gallop agreed to go quickly and quietly!
 

LJC

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Fully agree with you sentiments fellas!

Once again, we have an administration sitting on its hands. In fact if you look at Gallops tenure, he presided over "very must do additions"/remedies(due to Superleague fiasco) to the NRL such as South Sydney and the Gold Coast!

So I'm thinking the bad guys are in! Or someone is advising the administrators to the detriment of the game!

Its sad and frustrating!

The game of rugby league deserves better!
 

Beowulf

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Agree with everyones sentiments IF hes been quoted correctly. Am sure all the bid teams are seeking clarification as we speak. I'd hold fire till then, but if its true, theres a shitstorm brewing.....
 

Diesel

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This is what shits me is that the TV guys want to control the people's game.

I already have a team and won't be swapping alliegencies, however for the love of the game we need Perth, West Brisbane and the Bears to right the wrongs from the TV execs that screwed over the game in 1995-97.

I find it hard to believe that there is no value in a 9th game and am wondering if the ARLC will introduce Perth around 2016 and the Bears a year later. I'm no business man but there would be so much goodwill to the fans if the 9th game was sold cheaply to ABC for 2017. I'd also love it as it'd piss off 9
 

Beowulf

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WTF? Perth and Bears both have 7 figure sponsors lined up, both have a record of 20k crowds willing to attend games, both have strong grass roots membership and support. CQ claims much the same. Why would it take 10 years?

So his answer is to wait up to another 10 years before doing that work? To suggest no work has been done is insulting to the bids and all the money and hard work they have done preparing for expansion and putting their case forward. Just because the games heads sit with their thumbs up their arses doesn't mean no work has happened.

Finally why would he even come out with all this now when he has stated a number of times that all will be revealed inthe games strategic plan? Very unprofessional

All true points Perth Red which makes me think this is a misquote. The alternative is he is arbitrarily making decisions on expansion himself - I hear he has a healthy ego, but he's not stupid. The commission meet to discuss expansion shortly - as a group they haven't discussed it yet.
 

The Great Dane

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All true points Perth Red which makes me think this is a misquote. The alternative is he is arbitrarily making decisions on expansion himself - I hear he has a healthy ego, but he's not stupid. The commission meet to discuss expansion shortly - as a group they haven't discussed it yet.

I am sure informally they have which is why I am certain it's a misquote, because I know for a fact that some of the members of ARLC are pro expansion and you do not say decisive things like that if it has not been decided because you run the risk of making your self look like an arse.
 

bartman

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Umm wouldn't an extra team mean a bye not an extra game?
Yep, it would take two new teams to get an extra game.

And that's probably linked to why it's been said there's no extra value in one new team :crazy:

I agree with Leigh, they should be aiming to introduce two new teams two years before the next rights deal is due, so for the 2016 season?

That's unless they have real fears that some current clubs won't last the five years out anyway....
 
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Quidgybo

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That's unless they have real fears that some current clubs won't last the five years out anyway....
Well that's the devil in the detail. No expansion means maintaining only 16 mouths to feed but it doesn't necessarily mean the same 16 mouths long term. If the powers that be are intent on drastically raising the bar for entry into the NRL, you could infer that also means greatly raising bar on what it takes to stay in the NRL (beyond simply being solvent). Perhaps the hidden message behind this is that the long term strategy is not about expanding the numbers within the comp but making better use of the licenses that already exist to cover new markets.

Leigh.
 

Diesel

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Will the ARLC have the balls to cut a Sydney team or force a relocation after the botches of the late 90's and the Northern Eagles fiasco, or does anyone think that there will be any teams that can't survive after this new deal?
 

Diesel

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Would most clubs would be close to secure financially now?
 
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newman

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Will the ARLC have the balls to cut a Sydney team or force a relocation after the botches of the late 90's and the Northern Eagles fiasco, or does anyone think that there will be any teams that can't survive after this new deal?


Absolutely no way. Only hope is that an existing team is extremely profligate with its money and sends itself broke. The commission would then have to make the decision not to prop them up or save them and bring an expansion team in. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.
 
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