Non-eels footy stuff

[Gronk]

People are already aware that DV is both wrong and against the law. Far more interesting is when behaviour is wrong but not against the law - selfishness, dishonesty, infidelity, things like that. There is often no protection against the hurt caused by these acts. That's what gets the blood boiling. Crimes are for the police and courts to sort out.

Don't go all straw man with this. Relationship nuances have nothing to do with the problem of DV. I am sorry if someone has hurt your feelings in the past, but let's not let it distract from the need to protect the vulnerable from intimidatory bullying and violence.

 

[Twizzle]

wife was reading an article yesterday about a merkin who had been raping his 14 year old daughter for 10 years

10 f**king years

threatened her with foster care if she blabbed, she went to the cops and he pled guilty and got 20 months

he should have been castrated

there really is something wrong with our laws in this country, any other country he would have got at least 20 years

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well that's a big part of the debate isn't it. And I personally don't believe that that's the case, especially in the lower socio-economic demographics that I work with.

Well sure, in the 'lower' demographics violence and the threat of violence are far more common, against both men and women. And of course the perpetrators are overwhelmingly men.

But control and emotional abuse are a problem across all sectors of society, and focusing on physical violence is a 'distraction', in the words of Gronk.

My problems are a distraction from other people's problems. Fancy that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Don't go all straw man with this. Relationship nuances have nothing to do with the problem of DV. I am sorry if someone has hurt your feelings in the past, but let's not let it distract from the need to protect the vulnerable from intimidatory bullying and violence.

It's a shame that 'distractions' mean we can't help everybody with the things that cause them pain.

 

[Gronk]

It's a shame that 'distractions' mean we can't help everybody with the things that cause them pain.

I hear you, however the police are not there to offer you understanding and compassion. You can get that however from your GP. He can also refer you to free counselling sessions (via Medicare). There are also places like Men's Shed and Beyond Blue who can assist you at times where you need validation and guidance.

 

[Bazal]

I'm aware events occur despite there being no finding of guilt in court. What a dumb thing to point out. Do you still beat your missus?

I've just been advised that your comment may in fact be caustic and/or vicious and worthy of a similar response.

@lingard please confirm?

 

[Gronk]

Well sure, in the 'lower' demographics violence and the threat of violence are far more common, against both men and women. And of course the perpetrators are overwhelmingly men.

But control and emotional abuse are a problem across all sectors of society, and focusing on physical violence is a 'distraction', in the words of Gronk.

My problems are a distraction from other people's problems. Fancy that.

Jesus F Christ life is a game of twister for you. I know you do it just to get your jollies, but for the kiddies playing at home, I will set the record straight...

I have already said that merkins who control, intimidate and use violence in domestic situations are arseholes.

The "distraction" is when you start talking about hurt feelings because someone in your tribe was dishonest, adulterous or just a rude prick.

 

[Rocket man]

The system doesn't allow the police to investigate thoroughly before charging someone?

From what I'm led to believe depends on what has the person been accused of.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I hear you, however the police are not there to offer you understanding and compassion. You can get that however from your GP. He can also refer you to free counselling sessions (via Medicare). There are also places like Men's Shed and Beyond Blue who can assist you at times where you need validation and guidance.

Those things are all bandaids. Just like all the post-DV services for women.

People don't want bandaids, they want prevention.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Jesus F Christ life is a game of twister for you. I know you do it just to get your jollies, but for the kiddies playing at home, I will set the record straight...

I have already said that merkins who control, intimidate and use violence in domestic situations are arseholes.

The "distraction" is when you start talking about hurt feelings because someone in your tribe was dishonest, adulterous or just a rude prick.

'Hurt feelings' is a term used to gaslight people with mental health issues. For many people a loss of life is preferable to a loss of dignity, which is why suicide is still a thing.

 

[Gronk]

Those things are all bandaids. Just like all the post-DV services for women.

People don't want bandaids, they want prevention.

OK you're mixing serious domestic violence with arguments within the tribe. Prevention of DV is absolutely needed.

I know that you're not serious about prevention of dishonesty, adultery and other tribe issues, so I'll leave that alone.

 

[Gronk]

'Hurt feelings' is a term used to gaslight people with mental health issues.

No mate, try fishing in another pond. I'm not taking that bait.

For many people a loss of life is preferable to a loss of dignity, which is why suicide is still a thing.

Loss of dignity is certainly painful and if your mood is so low that you have suicidal ideations, then you should reach out to your support network, set firm boundaries and be as assertive as you can. Toxic relationships are certainly hard to navigate and they are absolutely a factor with poor mental health.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

OK you're mixing serious domestic violence with arguments within the tribe. Prevention of DV is absolutely needed.

What's that got to do with jumping the gun on Josh Reynolds or anyone else being tormented by a scumbag? Are you still maintaining Reynolds is guilty of a crime? Or that he should continue to be treated as though he's guilty in order to protect his harasser from hypothetical violence?

I know that you're not serious about prevention of dishonesty, adultery and other tribe issues, so I'll leave that alone.

I put it to you that non-violent 'patterns of control' are intended precisely to prevent these things.

 

[Gronk]

What's that got to do with jumping the gun on Josh Reynolds or anyone else being tormented by a scumbag? Are you still maintaining Reynolds is guilty of a crime? Or that he should continue to be treated as though he's guilty in order to protect his harasser from hypothetical violence?

Man you can go off on tangents. IIRC I was not judgemental either way. Invariably there is a victim and a perpetrator. This is probably still the case here.

I put it to you that non-violent 'patterns of control' are intended precisely to prevent these things.

Toxic relationships are unhealthy and "patterns of control" are the soup du jour of narcissists. However you don't call the cops on a narcissist. You set firm boundaries or walk away. You need to fight your own battles with merkins like that.

 

[TheParraboy]

Biggest blight on the game last 15-20 years IMO

Thanks to super coach Bellamy, the main reason he was as successful as he was, as well as the salary cap rorting

Well done Souths



https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...e/news-story/94398d611f43df271652ab339de7f868

 

[Noise]

Man you can go off on tangents. IIRC I was not judgemental either way. Invariably there is a victim and a perpetrator. This is probably still the case here.
.

So who is the victim and who is the perpetrator?

 

[Suitman]

Man you can go off on tangents.

Lol. Have you just figured this out or what?

 

[Gronk]

So who is the victim and who is the perpetrator?

I’ll have $5 each way thanks Gov.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Man you can go off on tangents. IIRC I was not judgemental either way. Invariably there is a victim and a perpetrator. This is probably still the case here.

Toxic relationships are unhealthy and "patterns of control" are the soup du jour of narcissists. However you don't call the cops on a narcissist. You set firm boundaries or walk away. You need to fight your own battles with merkins like that.

Well I agree, but once children are involved, 'walking away' will undoubtedly harm them in a way that trying to 'manage' a toxic relationship won't necessarily do.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

As for tangents, you're the one who tried to steer the conversation away from your prejudgment of Reynolds to a wider issue of believing all women, whether or not they are making false and damaging claims.