Non-eels footy stuff

[Bazal]

It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law. Reynold's is presumed innocent just like you and I are also presumed innocent. No one is judged 'proven innocent' in a court of law because it's not a thing.

So you agree with me then? It's presumed but not proven that the offence did not occur.

That's all I ever said.

 

[Noise]

So you agree with me then? It's presumed but not proven that the offence did not occur.

That's all I ever said.

My original posts were that dropped charges means he's not guilty (which you argued with):

In the eyes of the law you are either guilty or not guilty. They dropped the charges meaning he’s not guilty. I’m assuming you are not guilty of any domestic violence charges. And you don’t have any charges against you. Just like Josh Reynolds.

Actually according to the law that’s (the dropped charges) exactly what it means.

 

[Bazal]

My original point was that dropped charges means he's not guilty (which you argued with):

Actually your original assertion appeared to be that the charges being dropped meant the offence never happened, or at least you responded to my post suggesting that shouting at someone didn't make him a woman basher any more than dropped charges mean he's not.

Glad we got through all those semantics

 

[84 Baby]

It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law. Reynold's is presumed innocent just like you and I are also presumed innocent. No one is judged 'proven innocent' in a court of law because it's not a thing.

The justice system is meant to be blind thus there is no presumption of innocence. The reason you can’t be proven innocent is it’s impossible to prove a non-event.

Edit - and similar to having charges dropped, you can’t prove someone not guilty

 

[Noise]

Actually your original assertion appeared to be that the charges meant the offence never happened, or at least you responded to my post suggesting that shouting at someone didn't make him a woman basher any more than dropped charges mean he's not.

Glad we got through all those semantics

No I disagreed with you point about his guilt:

That doesn't mean he's guilty of physical abuse any more than dropped charges mean he's not.

 

[Gronk]

Semantics at seven paces.

#notallmen is true. There, does that make the agitators feel better ?

It seems to me that men are spending lots of energy in blame shifting towards women, whereby they should be calling out the merkins who think it's OK to be controlling both physically and mentally towards women. [Yes DV does occur in a female vs male context, however the instances are so infinitesimal that's it's really just a distraction from the real issue]. Don't @ me on this.

The #notallmen brigade are good men, however they will be better men if they root out the narcissist bullies and put them in the bin.

 

[Bazal]

No I disagreed with you point about his guilt:

Ok apparently we aren't done with semantics

I meant guilty in the usual sense of actually having done something, not "guilty" in the legal sense where it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Hope that clears things up

 

[Noise]

Ok apparently we aren't done with semantics

I meant guilty in the usual sense of actually having done something, not "guilty" in the legal sense where it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Hope that clears things up

As we were talking about Josh Reynold's case, the police, the legal system, charges being laid and dropped, court etc. you can see why I thought the term 'guilt' was referring to the legal sense.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Fact: One woman every week dies at the hand of her current or former partner.

if the same stats applied to bikie gangs killing random grandmas everyone would be yelling from the rooftops. Or if a child was stolen from kindy every week by creepy clowns, organs harvested and buried alive there would be angry mobs in Martin Place.

Yet there is this muffled silence amongst some merkins attempting to dumb down the stats and applying blame shifting. It’s not me that needs to reflect on my position, that’s for sure.

So you must really hope that women making false accusations get hit with the full force of the law.

A tiny minority of men are capable of violence against anyone, including women. The rest of 'all men' resent this ugly generalisation that all men are monsters while all women are virtuous victims that need protecting from them.

 

[Gronk]

So you must really hope that women making false accusations get hit with the full force of the law.

A tiny minority of men are capable of violence against anyone, including women. The rest of 'all men' resent this ugly generalisation that all men are monsters while all women are virtuous victims that need protecting from them.

Maybe you should get someone to explain to you what I wrote ^^^^^. Perhaps then you will be able to see how ridiculous your reply was.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

A tiny minority of men are capable of violence against anyone, including women.

ya missing the point of DV Pou. It's not just violence. It's control and power using whatever means is available. Most of those blokes who are perpetrators of DV aren't capable or anywhere near inclined to be violent towards anyone but their families.

 

[Bazal]

I'd dispute that it's a tiny minority just as much as I'd dispute that all men are abusers or whatever some rank outsiders might suggest

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Does presumed mean proven?

Why would anyone be proven innocent? We all enjoy the presumption of innocence until otherwise. This isn't science where things are disproven.

 

[Bazal]

Why would anyone be proven innocent? We all enjoy the presumption of innocence until otherwise. This isn't science where things are disproven.

Except what I was stating was that in any criminal proceedings the charges being dropped doesn't mean the event never happened. As stated many times in the discussion and ignored by Pedant Pedant Escobar

Lern 2 Reed.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Semantics at seven paces.

#notallmen is true. There, does that make the agitators feel better ?

It seems to me that men are spending lots of energy in blame shifting towards women, whereby they should be calling out the merkins who think it's OK to be controlling both physically and mentally towards women. [Yes DV does occur in a female vs male context, however the instances are so infinitesimal that's it's really just a distraction from the real issue]. Don't @ me on this.

The #notallmen brigade are good men, however they will be better men if they root out the narcissist bullies and put them in the bin.

People are already aware that DV is both wrong and against the law. Far more interesting is when behaviour is wrong but not against the law - selfishness, dishonesty, infidelity, things like that. There is often no protection against the hurt caused by these acts. That's what gets the blood boiling. Crimes are for the police and courts to sort out.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

ya missing the point of DV Pou. It's not just violence. It's control and power using whatever means is available. Most of those blokes who are perpetrators of DV aren't capable or anywhere near inclined to be violent towards anyone but their families.

And when it's not actual violence women are just as controlling and abusive as men. So in the men=bad, women=good conversation we are talking about physical violence and threats thereof.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Except what I was stating was that in any criminal proceedings the charges being dropped doesn't mean the event never happened. As stated many times in the discussion and ignored by Pedant Pedant Escobar

Lern 2 Reed.

I'm aware events occur despite there being no finding of guilt in court. What a dumb thing to point out. Do you still beat your missus?

 

[Bazal]

I'm aware events occur despite there being no finding of guilt in court. What a dumb thing to point out.

Lucky I wasn't pointing it out to you then, shit tits.

Do you still beat your missus?

I prefer it when she beats me...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You were asking for it

 

[Soren Lorenson]

And when it's not actual violence women are just as controlling and abusive as men.

Well that's a big part of the debate isn't it. And I personally don't believe that that's the case, especially in the lower socio-economic demographics that I work with.