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Gronk

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Not surprised. The climate change industry is big money and its warriors need fat salaries.

You think that NGOs drive porsches ? Merkins need to eat, so the whole staff of GreenPeace can't be all volunteers. The whole concept of Client Earth is to shirt-front the big corporates. To stand up to their vexatious law suits and the only way you can do that is fight fire with fire. You could hardly expect an organisation like that to run concurrent litigation cases on pro bono assistance alone. I know that you like to play the devils advocate all the time and come at a topic from a tangent, but let's be realistic here.
 

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You think that NGOs drive porsches ? Merkins need to eat, so the whole staff of GreenPeace can't be all volunteers. The whole concept of Client Earth is to shirt-front the big corporates. To stand up to their vexatious law suits and the only way you can do that is fight fire with fire. You could hardly expect an organisation like that to run concurrent litigation cases on pro bono assistance alone. I know that you like to play the devils advocate all the time and come at a topic from a tangent, but let's be realistic here.

These charities are incredibly well resourced and funded. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

Boss of taxpayer-funded green charity sees pay soar 50pc to £232,000
STEVEN SWINFORD NOVEMBER 02, 2018
James Thornton earned more than the Prime Minister last year
The head of a taxpayer-funded environmental charity has become one of the highest paid bosses in the voluntary sector after his pay package rose by 50 per cent to 232,000.

James Thornton, the head of ClientEarth, is now the highest paid green charity boss in Britain with his pay outstripping the heads of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth.

The charity, which is based in East London, received nearly £1 million worth of funding from the Department for International Development (DfID) last year.

It rose to prominence after mounting three successful legal challenges against the Government which forced it to overhaul its air pollution strategy in towns and cities.

The head of a taxpayer-funded environmental charity has become one of the highest paid bosses in the voluntary sector after his pay package rose by 50 per cent to £232,000.

James Thornton, the head of ClientEarth, is now the highest paid green charity boss in Britain with his pay outstripping the heads of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth.

The charity, which is based in East London, received nearly £1 million worth of funding from the Department for International Development (DfID) last year.

It rose to prominence after mounting three successful legal challenges against the Government which forced it to overhaul its air pollution strategy in towns and cities.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...nded-green-charity-sees-pay-soar-60pc-232000/
 

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Also, they dont 'stand up to vexatious law suits'. They create their own and attempt to block developments in court.

They feel they have the right to decide the winners and losers rather than the regulatory agencies responsible for administering the law. If they cant kill a project through an appeal then their next best hope is that the project shrivels on the vine as a result of the delays.
 

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@Gronk - Not sure if you've seen this. This is the campaign by NGOs in Australia to stop coal. It was developed in 2012 and was never meant for public consumption.

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1206_greenpeace.pdf

Some would argue that the ends justify the means but if any other large corporate entity was to behave this way (because lets face it, thats what Greenpeace are), they would be rightfully hauled over the coals (pun intended).

P.S. Their coal forecasts were absolute bullshit in 2012 and even bullshittier in 2019. Its deliberately misleading and inflammatory.
 

Gronk

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Also, they dont 'stand up to vexatious law suits'. They create their own and attempt to block developments in court.

They feel they have the right to decide the winners and losers rather than the regulatory agencies responsible for administering the law. If they cant kill a project through an appeal then their next best hope is that the project shrivels on the vine as a result of the delays.

I get that you see this from a different POV, however without "greenys" the Franklin would have been dammed, The Rocks would have been demolished etc etc. So nobody can say in hindsight that green activists don't do valuable work. It might cause pain along the way, but what would Australia look like if everyone took the apathetic approach ?

The vexatious component of the big fish vs little fish law suit is to obstruct and complicate. They make simple matters into what merkins call "megalitigation". They make cases so big and so complicated that small fish activists have no chance to stand toe to toe due to the lack of resources and money.

Nobody thinks that they have the right to decide the winners or losers, however when the system is broken merkins lose trust. Without such scrutiny and objections the "regulatory agencies" or indeed the Minister can and do push through developments with a stroke of a pen. As aired on 4Corners the other night, it looks like the government will approve Lang Walker's wetland development.

https://www.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/edq/toondah-harbour.html

https://www.acf.org.au/disturbing_t...ore_urgent_need_for_stronger_environment_laws

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ary-change-before-development-letters-suggest


Developer criticised for plan to dredge Queensland wetland and build 3,600 homes


Walker Corporation lodges third plan for Toondah harbour in the past three years


Walker Corporation, Australia’s largest private property developer, has launched a third attempt to dredge and reclaim a Ramsar-listed wetland south of Brisbane. Photograph: Auscape/UIG via Getty Images
Australia’s largest private property developer has launched a third attempt to dredge and reclaim the Ramsar-listed wetland south of Brisbane to build an artificial harbour and 3,600 homes.

Toondah harbour is listed by the Queensland government as a “priority development area”, a state-significant site identified for accelerated development. It also sits on tidal flats that are considered internationally significant and home to endangered migratory shorebirds.

Opponents say the plan is one of the most brazen examples of urban development sprawling on to a sensitive environmental site. It is also legally complex, requiring approval by both the federal and Queensland governments.

Walker Corporation, a significant donor to both major political parties, last week lodged a revised plan for Toondah harbour, the third in three years. The first was delayed seven times while under environmental consideration by the federal government.

In a letter given to nearby residents this month, Walker Corporation says the new plan was developed “in response to feedback from leading environmental and wetland experts, public submissions and the federal government”.

It says improvements include a larger buffer zone to nearby Cassim Island, “a more organic and natural system of waterways”, a section of parkland, a conservation area, a koala corridor and a wetland education centre.

Opponents say no alterations to the plan could compensate for their principal objection: that creating an artificial harbour and high-rise development would require the dredging and destruction of sensitive wetlands.

Richard Carew, a lawyer and member of the group Friends of Stradbroke Island, said the plan, even with modifications, breached Australia’s obligations under the Ramsar convention, an international treaty for the protection of wetlands.

“Reclamation of wetlands listed under the agreement is only permitted if ‘urgent national interests’ exist,” Carew said. “Our national environment protection laws adopt the agreement by specifically requiring the federal government to act consistently with it.”

The proposal requires the approval of the federal environment minister. But the development plans themselves fall under state law and a fast-track for major proposals introduced by the Newman government and maintained by the current Palaszczuk government.

Jo-Ann Bragg, the chief executive officer of the Environmental Defender’s Office Queensland, said the state laws did not allow for appeal once a decision had been made.

“EDO Queensland have had calls from a wide variety of deeply concerned citizens and community groups who are really most unhappy that this sort of development is proposed with impacts on ... a very sensitive location,” Bragg said.

“By and large the natural environment is not solidly protected through our planning and development system. There’s constant inroads into our natural environment and loss of habitat. In relation to koala habitat, we’re at a crisis point.

“With Toondah harbour we need a different process here and the [state] government has the legal power to change that process. And really this is a touchstone of how serious the government is about protecting high value sensitive nature.”

Peter Saba, the general manager of Queensland development for Walker Corporation, said the organisation had worked with a wetland expert to develop the masterplan.

“What has been submitted is a world-class design which enhances the environment whilst providing the Redland community with a fabulous destination,” he said. “The master plan is defined by a more organic and natural system of waterways and marina coves embedded with wetlands and publicly accessible edges.

“We have put a lot of work into ensuring we have a plan that suits the area and the community who will get to enjoy it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...redge-queensland-wetland-and-build-3600-homes
 

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@Gronk - Not sure if you've seen this. This is the campaign by NGOs in Australia to stop coal. It was developed in 2012 and was never meant for public consumption.

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1206_greenpeace.pdf

Some would argue that the ends justify the means but if any other large corporate entity was to behave this way (because lets face it, thats what Greenpeace are), they would be rightfully hauled over the coals (pun intended).

P.S. Their coal forecasts were absolute bullshit in 2012 and even bullshittier in 2019. Its deliberately misleading and inflammatory.

It is misleading however that seems to be the way it works. Adani promised 1,000s and 1,000s of jobs yet after the construction phase it has been revealed that the mine will be automated with driverless trucks etc etc. This was highlighted going back to 2016. Adani us just lucky that most life members of the coal club live in Queensland. The bottom article suggests that the functioning mine will employ maybe 100. Yet Matt Canavan (aka Matt King Coal) was still quoting the 1,000s of jobs line last week.

Adani automation will move jobs from coal face to big cities, CQU economist predicts
By Casey Briggs and Rachel Riga
Posted 6 Dec 2016, 7:24am

PHOTO: Adani plans to use driverless trucks at the Carmichael mine. (ABC News: Kathryn Diss)
RELATED STORY: Driverless trucks planned for Queensland's underground mining sector
Increased use of automation at mining sites such as Adani's Carmichael coal mine will push jobs away from the coal face and into larger cities, a Queensland academic has warned.

It could spell trouble for regional Queensland, with many centres already struggling with high unemployment after the end of the state's mining boom.

Adani is planning to use driverless trucks to transport coal at its new $22 billion mine in the Galilee Basin, among other automated processes.

Mining giant Rio Tinto pioneered the widespread use of remote-controlled trucks in Perth.

Central Queensland University resource economist Professor John Rolfe said automation was increasingly being used in mines, but was not developing as quickly as people might expect.

Professor Rolfe said the new processes would result in more technology and engineering jobs in larger cities, and fewer jobs at the mine face itself.

"I think the real issue now is about trying to make sure more of the supply chain remains in regions instead of coming in and out of capital cities," he said.

"We don't want the Perth experience in Queensland, where Perth ended up being the hub for most of the mining services in Western Australia.

"You always get this flow-through effect [to capital cities], but you want to make sure that it's as little as possible, that as much of the money remains 'sticky' in the regional economies."

Yesterday, final approvals were granted for the Adani project's rail line and it was revealed that the mining company's regional headquarters would be in Townsville.

Adani has claimed that up to 10,000 direct and indirect jobs would be created by the Carmichael project, the bulk of them in the construction phase.

Union pushes for no diesel tax rebate for driverless trucks
CFMEU Queensland mining division president Steve Smyth said he opposed the use of automated trucks in the Adani mine.

PHOTO: The CFMEU said automated trucks should not qualify for tax rebates. (AAP Image-Macarthur Coal)


"It's all about them cutting costs and trying to save a few dollars at the expense of hundreds of workers who'll miss out," Mr Smyth said.

"That's just a slap in the face for Queensland workers."

The mining company would benefit from a tax rebate on diesel fuel for trucks that had no drivers, he said.

"That company should not be getting a tax benefit or a tax break on diesel fuel rebate when they're not going to have people operating that equipment."

He said the union would lobby all levels of government to end the rebate for driverless trucks.

Hopes Mackay will become FIFO hub
Mackay Mayor Greg Williamson said he expected that his region would be chosen as the mine's operational hub.

"It makes a lot of sense for Adani and any other of the coal mines to use Mackay as the service or operational hub," Councillor Williamson said.

"That means all of the re-manufacturing, all of the initial putting together of the trucks ... the on-going maintenance work that keeps a mine like that alive."

Cr Williamson said he also wanted Mackay to be chosen as one of the city hubs for fly-in, fly-out (FIFO) workers to live in.

Adani is expected to make an announcement on the location of the FIFO hubs next year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12...-jobs-off-coal-face-and-into-the-city/8094486

Adani is not about jobs, and never really was

So Adani gets its final environmental approval from the Queensland government, and central Queensland gets the jobs it voted for in the federal election: “an enormous win for regional jobs”, according to Queensland LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington.

What that amounts to is about 1500 jobs in the construction phase – which at two years won’t even get us to the next federal election – and maybe 100 when the mine is operating, at least according to University of Queensland economist Professor John Quiggin.


It also suits the interests that will benefit from Adani – mining companies, fossil-fuel investors, construction and mining unions.

Adani has become more than a coal mine (although it’s not even that yet, and maybe never will be). It’s part of a narrative in Australian politics that poses a false choice between jobs and the environment, framed as the difference between living in the real world and living in the inner-city bubble, the real world being an imaginary state of mind (now known as central Queensland) where people’s only concerns are mortgages and school fees and health insurance and their kids’ futures, while the inner-city bubble is the place where bubble dwellers enjoy economic advantages that afford us the luxury of caring about problems other than those day-to-day concerns.

The reality is different, of course: many of us bubble dwellers piece together insecure livings out of what seems like a whole lot of side hustles: freelance this, part-time that, short-term contracts that come around every year, but one year won’t.

Meanwhile, our adult children work casual jobs with no benefits, get exploited in internships and hope, one day, to find “real” jobs that still won’t pay enough to get them into an investor-fuelled city housing market.

This isn’t the inner-cities lining up against the central Queenslands: Adani’s another wedge – a grimy, coal-shaped lump of a wedge, but a wedge nonetheless. The mine will be built (or not); the coal will be dug up and shipped (or it won’t). Whichever way it goes, the final reckoning of Adani will be an I-told-you-so where its boosters look politely away from the broken promises and/or the broken environment, and the rest of us – in all the inner-city bubbles and all the Central Queenslands – try to piece together a politics that works in the 21st century and an economy that works for all of us, not just some of us – and for the planet, too.

Matt Holden is a regular columnist.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/adani-is-not-about-jobs-and-never-really-was-20190614-p51xu0.html
 

Gary Gutful

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I get that you see this from a different POV, however without "greenys" the Franklin would have been dammed, The Rocks would have been demolished etc etc. So nobody can say in hindsight that green activists don't do valuable work. It might cause pain along the way, but what would Australia look like if everyone took the apathetic approach ?

The vexatious component of the big fish vs little fish law suit is to obstruct and complicate. They make simple matters into what merkins call "megalitigation". They make cases so big and so complicated that small fish activists have no chance to stand toe to toe due to the lack of resources and money.

Nobody thinks that they have the right to decide the winners or losers, however when the system is broken merkins lose trust. Without such scrutiny and objections the "regulatory agencies" or indeed the Minister can and do push through developments with a stroke of a pen. As aired on 4Corners the other night, it looks like the government will approve Lang Walker's wetland development.

https://www.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/edq/toondah-harbour.html

https://www.acf.org.au/disturbing_t...ore_urgent_need_for_stronger_environment_laws

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ary-change-before-development-letters-suggest


Developer criticised for plan to dredge Queensland wetland and build 3,600 homes


Walker Corporation lodges third plan for Toondah harbour in the past three years


Walker Corporation, Australia’s largest private property developer, has launched a third attempt to dredge and reclaim a Ramsar-listed wetland south of Brisbane. Photograph: Auscape/UIG via Getty Images
Australia’s largest private property developer has launched a third attempt to dredge and reclaim the Ramsar-listed wetland south of Brisbane to build an artificial harbour and 3,600 homes.

Toondah harbour is listed by the Queensland government as a “priority development area”, a state-significant site identified for accelerated development. It also sits on tidal flats that are considered internationally significant and home to endangered migratory shorebirds.

Opponents say the plan is one of the most brazen examples of urban development sprawling on to a sensitive environmental site. It is also legally complex, requiring approval by both the federal and Queensland governments.

Walker Corporation, a significant donor to both major political parties, last week lodged a revised plan for Toondah harbour, the third in three years. The first was delayed seven times while under environmental consideration by the federal government.

In a letter given to nearby residents this month, Walker Corporation says the new plan was developed “in response to feedback from leading environmental and wetland experts, public submissions and the federal government”.

It says improvements include a larger buffer zone to nearby Cassim Island, “a more organic and natural system of waterways”, a section of parkland, a conservation area, a koala corridor and a wetland education centre.

Opponents say no alterations to the plan could compensate for their principal objection: that creating an artificial harbour and high-rise development would require the dredging and destruction of sensitive wetlands.

Richard Carew, a lawyer and member of the group Friends of Stradbroke Island, said the plan, even with modifications, breached Australia’s obligations under the Ramsar convention, an international treaty for the protection of wetlands.

“Reclamation of wetlands listed under the agreement is only permitted if ‘urgent national interests’ exist,” Carew said. “Our national environment protection laws adopt the agreement by specifically requiring the federal government to act consistently with it.”

The proposal requires the approval of the federal environment minister. But the development plans themselves fall under state law and a fast-track for major proposals introduced by the Newman government and maintained by the current Palaszczuk government.

Jo-Ann Bragg, the chief executive officer of the Environmental Defender’s Office Queensland, said the state laws did not allow for appeal once a decision had been made.

“EDO Queensland have had calls from a wide variety of deeply concerned citizens and community groups who are really most unhappy that this sort of development is proposed with impacts on ... a very sensitive location,” Bragg said.

“By and large the natural environment is not solidly protected through our planning and development system. There’s constant inroads into our natural environment and loss of habitat. In relation to koala habitat, we’re at a crisis point.

“With Toondah harbour we need a different process here and the [state] government has the legal power to change that process. And really this is a touchstone of how serious the government is about protecting high value sensitive nature.”

Peter Saba, the general manager of Queensland development for Walker Corporation, said the organisation had worked with a wetland expert to develop the masterplan.

“What has been submitted is a world-class design which enhances the environment whilst providing the Redland community with a fabulous destination,” he said. “The master plan is defined by a more organic and natural system of waterways and marina coves embedded with wetlands and publicly accessible edges.

“We have put a lot of work into ensuring we have a plan that suits the area and the community who will get to enjoy it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...redge-queensland-wetland-and-build-3600-homes
That 4 Corners story is so inaccurate I don't know where to start. A colleague of mine is managing that approvals process and the truth is very different. Projects in Australia are subject to some of the most stringent, complicated and highly evolved regulatory processes in the world and the days of any project getting an arbritrary tick and flick is just plain misleading. Thats all I'll say on that particular project.

Agree that there are plenty of NGOs that have done and continue to do great work and I have partnered with many of them to deliver some excellent outcomes.

Having spoken to a lot of them though, they are concerned with the behaviours of some groups and feel that the adversarial, unethical and military style approach coupled with the demonisation of legitimate, necessary industries isn't helpful at all. It is similar to what has happened in Native Title and Cultural Heritage and you now have a splintering of groups that should be fighting for the same causes. This in itself isn't good for advancing collective efforts to protect the planet.

They DO decide on who will be winners and losers and it isn't based on which projects have the most environmental impact. Green groups have been predominantly fighting thermal coal projects and leaving metallurgical coal projects alone. Do the met coal projects have less environmental impact? No. But green groups want to see an immediate transition to renewables at all costs so they spend all of their time challenging these projects. Imagine if all of the money spent by NGOs and industry on legal cases was directed towards solutions? That money could have done so much good!

Not questioning their right to exist and 'fight the good fight'. I just feel that they have lost feel their way and aren't anywhere near as effective as they used to be.

And what shits me the most is the lack of accountability, governance and scrutiny around how they conduct themslves. The lies and misinformation that gets spread around and then believed by gullible (albeit well intentioned) people does my head in.

I suppose the end justifies the means and it's the sort of behaviour that's only seen as bad when it is done by Industry or the banking sector. However, I reckon a lot of people who have donated are being taken for a ride and are against something that they haven't even bothered to try and understand.
 

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It is misleading however that seems to be the way it works. Adani promised 1,000s and 1,000s of jobs yet after the construction phase it has been revealed that the mine will be automated with driverless trucks etc etc. This was highlighted going back to 2016. Adani us just lucky that most life members of the coal club live in Queensland. The bottom article suggests that the functioning mine will employ maybe 100. Yet Matt Canavan (aka Matt King Coal) was still quoting the 1,000s of jobs line last week.

Adani automation will move jobs from coal face to big cities, CQU economist predicts
By Casey Briggs and Rachel Riga
Posted 6 Dec 2016, 7:24am

PHOTO: Adani plans to use driverless trucks at the Carmichael mine. (ABC News: Kathryn Diss)
RELATED STORY: Driverless trucks planned for Queensland's underground mining sector
Increased use of automation at mining sites such as Adani's Carmichael coal mine will push jobs away from the coal face and into larger cities, a Queensland academic has warned.

It could spell trouble for regional Queensland, with many centres already struggling with high unemployment after the end of the state's mining boom.

Adani is planning to use driverless trucks to transport coal at its new $22 billion mine in the Galilee Basin, among other automated processes.

Mining giant Rio Tinto pioneered the widespread use of remote-controlled trucks in Perth.

Central Queensland University resource economist Professor John Rolfe said automation was increasingly being used in mines, but was not developing as quickly as people might expect.

Professor Rolfe said the new processes would result in more technology and engineering jobs in larger cities, and fewer jobs at the mine face itself.

"I think the real issue now is about trying to make sure more of the supply chain remains in regions instead of coming in and out of capital cities," he said.

"We don't want the Perth experience in Queensland, where Perth ended up being the hub for most of the mining services in Western Australia.

"You always get this flow-through effect [to capital cities], but you want to make sure that it's as little as possible, that as much of the money remains 'sticky' in the regional economies."

Yesterday, final approvals were granted for the Adani project's rail line and it was revealed that the mining company's regional headquarters would be in Townsville.

Adani has claimed that up to 10,000 direct and indirect jobs would be created by the Carmichael project, the bulk of them in the construction phase.

Union pushes for no diesel tax rebate for driverless trucks
CFMEU Queensland mining division president Steve Smyth said he opposed the use of automated trucks in the Adani mine.

PHOTO: The CFMEU said automated trucks should not qualify for tax rebates. (AAP Image-Macarthur Coal)


"It's all about them cutting costs and trying to save a few dollars at the expense of hundreds of workers who'll miss out," Mr Smyth said.

"That's just a slap in the face for Queensland workers."

The mining company would benefit from a tax rebate on diesel fuel for trucks that had no drivers, he said.

"That company should not be getting a tax benefit or a tax break on diesel fuel rebate when they're not going to have people operating that equipment."

He said the union would lobby all levels of government to end the rebate for driverless trucks.

Hopes Mackay will become FIFO hub
Mackay Mayor Greg Williamson said he expected that his region would be chosen as the mine's operational hub.

"It makes a lot of sense for Adani and any other of the coal mines to use Mackay as the service or operational hub," Councillor Williamson said.

"That means all of the re-manufacturing, all of the initial putting together of the trucks ... the on-going maintenance work that keeps a mine like that alive."

Cr Williamson said he also wanted Mackay to be chosen as one of the city hubs for fly-in, fly-out (FIFO) workers to live in.

Adani is expected to make an announcement on the location of the FIFO hubs next year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12...-jobs-off-coal-face-and-into-the-city/8094486

Adani is not about jobs, and never really was

So Adani gets its final environmental approval from the Queensland government, and central Queensland gets the jobs it voted for in the federal election: “an enormous win for regional jobs”, according to Queensland LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington.

What that amounts to is about 1500 jobs in the construction phase – which at two years won’t even get us to the next federal election – and maybe 100 when the mine is operating, at least according to University of Queensland economist Professor John Quiggin.


It also suits the interests that will benefit from Adani – mining companies, fossil-fuel investors, construction and mining unions.

Adani has become more than a coal mine (although it’s not even that yet, and maybe never will be). It’s part of a narrative in Australian politics that poses a false choice between jobs and the environment, framed as the difference between living in the real world and living in the inner-city bubble, the real world being an imaginary state of mind (now known as central Queensland) where people’s only concerns are mortgages and school fees and health insurance and their kids’ futures, while the inner-city bubble is the place where bubble dwellers enjoy economic advantages that afford us the luxury of caring about problems other than those day-to-day concerns.

The reality is different, of course: many of us bubble dwellers piece together insecure livings out of what seems like a whole lot of side hustles: freelance this, part-time that, short-term contracts that come around every year, but one year won’t.

Meanwhile, our adult children work casual jobs with no benefits, get exploited in internships and hope, one day, to find “real” jobs that still won’t pay enough to get them into an investor-fuelled city housing market.

This isn’t the inner-cities lining up against the central Queenslands: Adani’s another wedge – a grimy, coal-shaped lump of a wedge, but a wedge nonetheless. The mine will be built (or not); the coal will be dug up and shipped (or it won’t). Whichever way it goes, the final reckoning of Adani will be an I-told-you-so where its boosters look politely away from the broken promises and/or the broken environment, and the rest of us – in all the inner-city bubbles and all the Central Queenslands – try to piece together a politics that works in the 21st century and an economy that works for all of us, not just some of us – and for the planet, too.

Matt Holden is a regular columnist.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/adani-is-not-about-jobs-and-never-really-was-20190614-p51xu0.html
Have you ever seen a mine. 100 jobs? Please.

When you factor in all the direct and indirect jobs it will be a significant contributor to the region and there will be 1,000s of jobs reliant on its existence. Maintenance workers, suppliers of equipment, rail workers, port workers, consultants, traditional owners, catering etc etc.

Throw on top of that the royalties (which contrary to popular opinion they will have to pay) and it shouldn't be sneezed at.

Anyway, I'm not going to defend Adani as I think they have been pretty average with the way they have managed and communicated the benefits of the project. Completely underestimated the regulatory and political environment in Australia and have well and truly played their role in the shit show that it has become.
 

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Also the larger 10,000 figure from memory accounted for direct and indirect jobs associated with the all singing all dancing project concept that they originally (foolishly) had in mind.

They have sinced realised that all of the sensible players with significant experience in Australia expand incrementally and hence scaled back that original proposal considerably.

But don't let that get in the way of a good story.
 

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These charities are incredibly well resourced and funded. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

Boss of taxpayer-funded green charity sees pay soar 50pc to £232,000
STEVEN SWINFORD NOVEMBER 02, 2018
James Thornton earned more than the Prime Minister last year
The head of a taxpayer-funded environmental charity has become one of the highest paid bosses in the voluntary sector after his pay package rose by 50 per cent to 232,000.

James Thornton, the head of ClientEarth, is now the highest paid green charity boss in Britain with his pay outstripping the heads of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth.

The charity, which is based in East London, received nearly £1 million worth of funding from the Department for International Development (DfID) last year.

It rose to prominence after mounting three successful legal challenges against the Government which forced it to overhaul its air pollution strategy in towns and cities.

The head of a taxpayer-funded environmental charity has become one of the highest paid bosses in the voluntary sector after his pay package rose by 50 per cent to £232,000.

James Thornton, the head of ClientEarth, is now the highest paid green charity boss in Britain with his pay outstripping the heads of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth.

The charity, which is based in East London, received nearly £1 million worth of funding from the Department for International Development (DfID) last year.

It rose to prominence after mounting three successful legal challenges against the Government which forced it to overhaul its air pollution strategy in towns and cities.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...nded-green-charity-sees-pay-soar-60pc-232000/


Who else would you want to run a company like this? I think it has to be someone in business. And what would they earn elsewhere?

I mean this guy maybe able to earn 2x as much elsewhere.
 
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