Non Footy Chat Thread II

Discussion in 'Parramatta Eels' started by Gronk, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. Gronk

    Gronk Moderator Staff Member

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    I think you are catastrophizing. What evidence is there that meaningful action on climate change will increase poverty in Australia ? While we're at it, do you know the socio-demographic of the 30% who do not support meaningful action on climate change ?
     
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    Good point. I love it when I can put my lights on too.
     
  3. Bazal

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    I would have taken that more as the big polluters who do have high poverty, eg India and China, have a high percentage of the population to which Pou's statement is very relevant
     
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  4. Gronk

    Gronk Moderator Staff Member

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    This seems to be a common talking point. It attempts to mute the conversation by suggesting that we alone can't sway the rest of the world, ignoring the actual block of countries that are putting pressure on the recalcitrant merkins.

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  5. Gary Gutful

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    It does nothing of the sort.

    My point was that finger pointing and shaming them will do very little. Especially coming from a collection of 1st world countries that have spent centuries f**king the planet and getting prosperous and are now telling others that they can't do the same.

    I then provided a meaningful alternative (to continue rather than mute the conversation). We must develop and engineer solutions that address the very real problems facing these countries. That's how we will force collective change. Talk is cheap.
     
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    I remember when I could buy a pie for $2 and those pies. Dont make them like that anymore.
     
  7. Gronk

    Gronk Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree that meaningful action on climate change looks different for each country. However stubbornly putting (keeping ?) the cue in the rack as some propose is pretty dumb and is economic selective hearing.
     
  8. Gary Gutful

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    Best pies ever. Every pie since then has been shit.
     
  9. Gary Gutful

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    True.

    I understand why though. If you don't trust others to take the same leap of faith then you risk impacting your own country in the short term for no material benefit collectively.

    It's the ultimate game of 'Chicken' and the planet is at stake. It's very exciting.
     
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    Heroin
     
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    Want a box of tissues you pissant
     
  12. Poupou Escobar

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    Any change to the economy has winners and losers in the job market. Most likely winners are people young and unburdened enough to retrain. Most likely losers are people who already have a job, particularly in threatened industries.
     
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    More that he's happy to make excuses for the working class (or, ahem, 'emerging middle class') in China and India but f**k the working class in his own country, which is the typical attitude of elites toward their domestic lessers.

    Is it a coincidence that the economically elite 'woke' socialists support every vulnerable category except for socioeconomic class?
     
  14. Gronk

    Gronk Moderator Staff Member

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    Did you know that during the period that we had a price on carbon, emmissions dropped considerably and it had no significant impact on the economy? That snapshot in time does not campare favourably with your prediction of job losses. Indeed the rise in unemployment was considerably more after Abbott axed the tax.

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    It's a hell of an irrelevant snapshot. Changes like this take years of failed lobbying before the economy needs to retool.
     
  16. Gary Gutful

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    I already have a wank rag. But thanks for the offer.
     
  17. Gronk

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    But the economy is already retooling. Coal fired power stations are in the process of being decommissioned. Indeed the biggest economic inhibitors to our country right now is a lack of energy policy. Industry needs certainty in this sector. Without certainty they cannot plan ahead

    Strangely our PM and Treasurer drafted an energy policy with bipartisan and industry support, the NEG. The National Energy Guarantee provided compromise and certainty. Yet it has been shelved. F**k knows why. The NEG was designed to bring down power prices, maintain baseload AND bringing down emissions.

    http://coagenergycouncil.gov.au/sites/prod.energycouncil/files/publications/documents/Final Detailed Design - National Energy Guarantee.pdf

    Meanwhile whilst the current government’s energy policy remains in limbo because they are too gutless to make a decision bc it will upset the factions, merkins are cutting their own path.

    Australia to achieve 50% renewables by 2030 without government intervention, analysis finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/29/australia-to-achieve-50-renewables-by-2030-without-government-intervention-analysis-finds
     
  18. Twizzle

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    Zero is the worst thing we can do.

    Rolling Stone has become a voice of the musicians but seem to spend most of their energy turfing Trump out but they are very big environmentalists. Same with the WSL and Surf Riders association and both are world wide organisations.

    It seems that the younger generation want to make it happen even in the states and as long as they have a voice they will be heard.

    Hell even ScoMo talks about emission reduction and when has a conservative govt ever talked about the environment. And this is the bloke who took a piece of coal into parliament. He knows that is what his constituents want. Abbott got voted out and substituted by another conservative but very big on preserving the environment and climate change.

    If we continue the conversations then the technology will have a market hence developing the technology will become financially viable, much like the hybrid cars.
     
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    This is true.
     
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  20. Gary Gutful

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    I didn't say we should do zero. Both yourself and Gronk have just quoted my first paragraph and ignored some other important stuff that I have said.

    We just need to be realistic about what 'pressure' on its own will actually achieve.

    I have a very different view of what happened in the recent Australian election. The radical greens and the labour left and their completely out of touch campaign methods were a significant factor in Labour losing what many thought was an unloseable election. People voted for economic security over environmental grandstanding. If that doesn't send people a message I don't know what the f**k will.

    These groups need to go back to the drawing board and adopt a completely different approach if they want genuine change that others will embrace. They need to think more about what a 'constructive yes' looks like rather than an 'unhelpful no'.

    Whether they like it or not the world will continue to develop and the requirement for energy and resources will increase significantly. Populations aren't growing as quickly in places like China but more people are moving into wealthier classes. India will surpass China in population by 2030 and even somewhere like Nigeria will become the third most populous country after 2050.

    It is a wank word but the concept of sustainability (environment, social and economics being interwined) has been completely lost. People are either asserting that the environment is the most important thing or that people and the economy are.

    The reality is that for people to give a shit about the environment they need to see that it is sustainable and doesn't come at a cost at the micro level. For that to happen there needs to be a sensible transition over time, not a reckless campaign to shut down industries or sectors of the economy (mining).

    You proved a couple of weeks ago that you are against something that you don't understand when you made a bullshit comment about Adani's project in Brazil (It doesn't exist...).
     
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