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Non Footy Chat Thread II

Avenger

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Very funny
But no. People like you westie bogans would never be able to afford to live were I live.
I can’t stand the Lower North Shore. Full of WASPS with no soul. Most of the women I’ve met from there are depressed emotional wrecks. Give me a nice area in the North West any day over that hollow belt.
 

Gary Gutful

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Gronk

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I wonder if @Gronk still thinks it’s a ponzi scheme?

It’s still a FOMO investment. It’s use as a blockchain thingy is almost obsolete. It offers zero intrinsic value as an assett. It’s like buying a can of air. So why are bandwagoners buying up ? No idea, maybe Dr Phil knows.

SMH 17/12/20

Australian fund managers are yet to be sold on digital currency Bitcoin as a legitimate investment class despite its soaring price and increasing popularity among Australians.

Bitcoin, the world’s most popular cryptocurrency, cracked $US20,000 ($26,350) for the first time in its history on Wednesday, eclipsing its massive run in 2017 which saw it fall just shy of the notable milestone. The price has since continued to rise, with Bitcoin trading at $US21,780 ($28,700) on Thursday afternoon as more retail and institutional investors jump on board.

The currency has been firmly on the radar of traditional investors this year. However, many Australian fund managers remain sceptical of the nascent asset class, viewing Bitcoin as a gamble compared to traditional equities.

Geoff Wilson, chairman and founder of $3.5 billion fund Wilson Asset Management, told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald while he believed Bitcoin’s underlying blockchain technology could be the future of payment systems, he was less bullish on the asset itself.

As an investment, it is extremely volatile and appears to be easily manipulated,” he said. “Thus it is not a prudent investment, it is not strategic for us as an investor and in our view, it is not sustainable.”

Jamie Hannah, the deputy head of investments at global investment manager VanEck said the fund was seeing increasing interest in Bitcoin, especially from financial planners asking on behalf of their clients.

VanEck recently listed a Bitcoin exchange-traded note in Germany that allows investors to buy units in the fund, which represent the price of Bitcoin, without having to delve into investing in the asset themselves.

Despite this, Mr Hannah agrees that Bitcoin is a problematic asset, saying while it was gaining popularity as an alternative to gold, its status as an actual store of value was debatable.

“In terms of a reputable, well-managed asset class with an exchange and regulation, Bitcoin is the exact opposite,” he said.

“And whether or not it has any real value to it or if it becomes a store of real currency in the long run, is debatable.”

Other fund managers were also dismissive of the currency. Russel Pillemer, Pengana Capital chief executive, said there was no “intrinsic value” to the asset and it was of little interest to him or his fund.

“It’s an entirely speculative asset, it’s not something we would look at or even consider,” he said.

Another compared it to gambling, saying “I generally go to the casino when I want to have a decent punt”.

But the pessimism amongst institutional investors does not appear to be reflected in the attitudes of everyday Australians, with a recent study by one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges, Independent Reserve, showing 18.4 per cent of Australians own some type of cryptocurrency.

Awareness has also hit an all-time high, with 91.4 per cent of Australians saying they have heard of at least one crypto. Over three-quarters of those who owned cryptocurrency during 2020 said they were currently either breaking even or better on their investments.

“We’re seeing more and more investors look to Bitcoin as a growth strategy,” said Independent Reserve chief Adrian Przelozny.

“It marries with the attitudinal shift we’ve seen across the Australian population as now almost two in five people view bitcoin as a store of value or an investment vehicle.”

https://www.smh.com.au/business/mar...n-despite-surging-prices-20201217-p56odt.html
 

Avenger

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It’s still a FOMO investment. It’s use as a blockchain thingy is almost obsolete. It offers zero intrinsic value as an assett. It’s like buying a can of air. So why are bandwagoners buying up ? No idea, maybe Dr Phil knows.

SMH 17/12/20

Australian fund managers are yet to be sold on digital currency Bitcoin as a legitimate investment class despite its soaring price and increasing popularity among Australians.

Bitcoin, the world’s most popular cryptocurrency, cracked $US20,000 ($26,350) for the first time in its history on Wednesday, eclipsing its massive run in 2017 which saw it fall just shy of the notable milestone. The price has since continued to rise, with Bitcoin trading at $US21,780 ($28,700) on Thursday afternoon as more retail and institutional investors jump on board.

The currency has been firmly on the radar of traditional investors this year. However, many Australian fund managers remain sceptical of the nascent asset class, viewing Bitcoin as a gamble compared to traditional equities.

Geoff Wilson, chairman and founder of $3.5 billion fund Wilson Asset Management, told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald while he believed Bitcoin’s underlying blockchain technology could be the future of payment systems, he was less bullish on the asset itself.

As an investment, it is extremely volatile and appears to be easily manipulated,” he said. “Thus it is not a prudent investment, it is not strategic for us as an investor and in our view, it is not sustainable.”

Jamie Hannah, the deputy head of investments at global investment manager VanEck said the fund was seeing increasing interest in Bitcoin, especially from financial planners asking on behalf of their clients.

VanEck recently listed a Bitcoin exchange-traded note in Germany that allows investors to buy units in the fund, which represent the price of Bitcoin, without having to delve into investing in the asset themselves.

Despite this, Mr Hannah agrees that Bitcoin is a problematic asset, saying while it was gaining popularity as an alternative to gold, its status as an actual store of value was debatable.

“In terms of a reputable, well-managed asset class with an exchange and regulation, Bitcoin is the exact opposite,” he said.

“And whether or not it has any real value to it or if it becomes a store of real currency in the long run, is debatable.”

Other fund managers were also dismissive of the currency. Russel Pillemer, Pengana Capital chief executive, said there was no “intrinsic value” to the asset and it was of little interest to him or his fund.

“It’s an entirely speculative asset, it’s not something we would look at or even consider,” he said.

Another compared it to gambling, saying “I generally go to the casino when I want to have a decent punt”.

But the pessimism amongst institutional investors does not appear to be reflected in the attitudes of everyday Australians, with a recent study by one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges, Independent Reserve, showing 18.4 per cent of Australians own some type of cryptocurrency.

Awareness has also hit an all-time high, with 91.4 per cent of Australians saying they have heard of at least one crypto. Over three-quarters of those who owned cryptocurrency during 2020 said they were currently either breaking even or better on their investments.

“We’re seeing more and more investors look to Bitcoin as a growth strategy,” said Independent Reserve chief Adrian Przelozny.

“It marries with the attitudinal shift we’ve seen across the Australian population as now almost two in five people view bitcoin as a store of value or an investment vehicle.”

https://www.smh.com.au/business/mar...n-despite-surging-prices-20201217-p56odt.html
And then they buy some just in case. This upward trend is not like the one caused in 2017 due to FOMO.

Of course it has intrinsic value if you now need super computers and large amounts of power to mine or work out the algorithm which rewards you with one Bitcoin. It’s like virtual gold yet more secure and safer to store than gold.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/bitcoin-20k-bubble-051322269.html
 
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