Non Footy Chat Thread II

[Bandwagon]

The comment about him easing off his diet has literally nothing to with the drug addiction given we were talking about the last few months.

Also, I didn’t say that I don’t understand him. I just said he uses flowery language but many of the academics that I regularly engage with do the same.

I think his points are well considered and always fairly clear in my mind. I don’t necessarily agree with all of them but I can always see where he is coming from.

As for the MSM, I said “mostly lazy and embarrassing”. You say I’m wrong and then largely describe something that is mostly lazy and embarrassing.

Most of the commentary I have seen (positive and negative) gets it wrong. It’s an often a very superficial take that’s been dumbed down but in the process has morphed into a bite sized piece of lazily prepared and delivered, semi-accurate plop.

If you’ve worked on something or been part of something that’s in the news you’ll know that Jordan Peterson isn’t getting any special treatment in that regard. Not suggesting he’s hard done by.

Then I said embarrassing which largely cover when he is on MSM talk shows. There are idiots that either blow smoke up his arse or they try and play game of gotcha in an interview. Both scenarios are cringe.

Now of course there are exceptions to this and I have seen some good coverage and great interviews. WHICH I WHY I USED THE WORD ‘MOSTLY’ FFS!!!

I took the eased off as being his media attendances. Not his diet thing. TBH I'm not remotely interested in that nonsense.

And yes I agree in interviews they're mostly shite, but there's plenty of other media out there that goes way further in depth, obviously that's because they cater to particular audiences.

 

[Bandwagon]

I think you just don't like his opinions.

Well most of them are shyte, but hey that leads to criticism. However I don't believe that anything in that post went to his opinions, it was far more about the way he chooses to present them.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Are you asking for me to convince you that certain comments are transphobic etc or are you asking me to find examples where certain people would be offended and he arrogantly pressed the point nothwithstanding who was in his presence?

I totally get that he now will die on that hill for his right to offend, but I wonder why or when he stopped giving a shit. Clearly he did when he wrote 12 Rules.

My point about being reckless, just in case you missed it, was that he is by trade a clinical psychologist. He carries himself as if he is still in practice (authors books based on his trade) and is almost always is asked for opinions based on his qualifications. So being a man with polarising ideas is one side of him and the other side is a person who works in the mental health sector. It’s a very strange and conflicted dichotomy considering his zero reluctance to be offensive at all times.

I asking for where you thought certain comments were examples of him "blurt(ing) out bigotry, misogyny, transphobic or whatever comments".

I think all you've established is the someone might be offended. Offended at what? Put a bit of meat on the bone.

 

[hindy111]

Well no, it was you who elected to take it out of context. Read above. All you need to understand is that some people might be offended by his ideas and then reflect on his prominence in the mental health sector. That's all I said. Perhaps you took offence to the verb "blurted"

You didn't answer my opinion to which I replied to you.

 

[hindy111]

Oh I see, you're attempting to belittle me because we don't agree on things. Yes you are most definitely better than me. You win. Well done.

Not at all. He is trying to open your mind to a possible different view. How can either be right? We are not far enough into the future to know if the new woke crowd will be a good or bad thing.
You assume it's better. I feel it's much nicer.
I am not convinced yet long term it works. Let me answer in 15yrs

 

[hindy111]

No I wasn't belittling you and I don't think I'm better than you. I do think I'm more objective.

We all run at different frequencies. I'd rather have a beer with yourself and see you as more my vibe in way of thinking process.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We all run at different frequencies. I'd rather have a beer with yourself and see you as more my vibe in way of thinking process.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Thats three beers! Can I have the third one?

 

[hindy111]

Thats three beers! Can I have the third one?

f**k of merkin. You can take anything you want but you better not take it from me.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Thats three beers! Can I have the third one?

 

[Gary Gutful]

FFS. Now theres only one beer!

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

FFS. Now theres only one beer!

 

[Incorrect]

We are not far enough into the future to know if the new woke crowd will be a good or bad thing.
You assume it's better. I feel it's much nicer.
I am not convinced yet long term it works. Let me answer in 15yrs

I was having a conversation with my missus just a couple of days ago and I said, I wonder if 20 years from now, people will look back and go, "remember back in the early 2020's when people were identifying themselves as non-binary and calling themselves they/them? What was that all about??!!"

Now I'm likely to be criticised for this view and maybe even have this comment deleted, but to me that whole palaver is a complete load of nonsense and I'm thinking it will go the way of stone wash jeans and perms.... Oh wait, they're making a comeback?? Well, you know what I mean....

Much to some of hindy111's points in this thread, I feel like the world is getting closer and closer to one big reset, whatever that looks like.... It feels to me some days like the metaphorical balloon of civilisation is just about full and we risk blowing the whole thing up unless we stop and take a breath soon....

 

[Gronk]

I asking for where you thought certain comments were examples of him "blurt(ing) out bigotry, misogyny, transphobic or whatever comments".

I think all you've established is the someone might be offended. Offended at what? Put a bit of meat on the bone.

If you are trying to pivot to some sort of a position that he’s not unless I show examples that he is, then that’s pretty silly. Cos it’s abundantly clear that he is called out for this on a daily basis. So to suggest otherwise is whitewashing. I’m certainly not Robinson Crusoe with my reservations on how he conducts himself. Considering that he is one of the most googled people in the world, it’s pretty safe to say his opinions upset just as many as he pleases.

IMO he can an get earner however he wants, but what do question is that as a health professional, his duty of care and the conflict that he sits with on a daily basis.

Did you know that unfamous JP he wrote this in 12 Rules ?

“Ideologies are substitutes for true knowledge, and ideologues are always dangerous when they come to power, because a simple-minded I-know-it-all approach is no match for the complexity of existence.”

I wonder what 2022 JP thinks about the huge power of his significant media reach now. There are a hell of a lot of people out there who are inclined to just believe what JP says about “free speech” because they’ve learned to trust his judgement and take his word for having done adequate research and critical thinking for them. The arguments he presents always seem stronger than the counter because of his fast talking eloquence.

 

[hindy111]

I was having a conversation with my missus just a couple of days ago and I said, I wonder if 20 years from now, people will look back and go, "remember back in the early 2020's when people were identifying themselves as non-binary and calling themselves they/them? What was that all about??!!"

Now I'm likely to be criticised for this view and maybe even have this comment deleted, but to me that whole palaver is a complete load of nonsense and I'm thinking it will go the way of stone wash jeans and perms.... Oh wait, they're making a comeback?? Well, you know what I mean....

Much to some of hindy111's points in this thread, I feel like the world is getting closer and closer to one big reset, whatever that looks like.... It feels to me some days like the metaphorical balloon of civilisation is just about full and we risk blowing the whole thing up unless we stop and take a breath soon....

Most the mass population will be fine. Perhaps some resentment building perhaps between sexes,groups etc. But a lot of those will be resolved on an individual level as time goes by.

But then how about a government level? We need defense and to be ready to fight if there was some sort of possible take over by the Chinese. Will the woke crowd get behind a machine gun and defend their turf if it come to that or hide under a blanket ?

Let's get real here. Everything is pleasant now and we all feel safe. f**k knows what China is planning

 

[hindy111]

If you are trying to pivot to some sort of a position that he’s not unless I show examples that he is, then that’s pretty silly. Cos it’s abundantly clear that he is called out for this on a daily basis. So to suggest otherwise is whitewashing. I’m certainly not Robinson Crusoe with my reservations on how he conducts himself. Considering that he is one of the most googled people in the world, it’s pretty safe to say his opinions upset just as many as he pleases.

IMO he can an get earner however he wants, but what do question is that as a health professional, his duty of care and the conflict that he sits with on a daily basis.

Did you know that unfamous JP he wrote this in 12 Rules ?

“Ideologies are substitutes for true knowledge, and ideologues are always dangerous when they come to power, because a simple-minded I-know-it-all approach is no match for the complexity of existence.”

I wonder what 2022 JP thinks about the huge power of his significant media reach now. There are a hell of a lot of people out there who are inclined to just believe what JP says about “free speech” because they’ve learned to trust his judgement and take his word for having done adequate research and critical thinking for them. The arguments he presents always seem stronger than the counter because of his fast talking eloquence.

I like you. But some of your views leave a bad taste in my mouth. Especially religious ones and the way you've mocked it. There are some religious people on here and very little respect has been shown. I was raised catholic. I am not in any way religious but am I guess spiritual. And I do feel we are all energy and somewhat connected. However id never bag anyone who held religious views yet it seems as thou its fine for the WOKE crowd to call them "stupid" for their own beliefs.
Your a smart guy so I am sure you can see where I am coming from.

 

[Gary Gutful]

If you are trying to pivot to some sort of a position that he’s not unless I show examples that he is, then that’s pretty silly. Cos it’s abundantly clear that he is called out for this on a daily basis. So to suggest otherwise is whitewashing. I’m certainly not Robinson Crusoe with my reservations on how he conducts himself. Considering that he is one of the most googled people in the world, it’s pretty safe to say his opinions upset just as many as he pleases.

IMO he can an get earner however he wants, but what do question is that as a health professional, his duty of care and the conflict that he sits with on a daily basis.

Did you know that unfamous JP he wrote this in 12 Rules ?

“Ideologies are substitutes for true knowledge, and ideologues are always dangerous when they come to power, because a simple-minded I-know-it-all approach is no match for the complexity of existence.”

I wonder what 2022 JP thinks about the huge power of his significant media reach now. There are a hell of a lot of people out there who are inclined to just believe what JP says about “free speech” because they’ve learned to trust his judgement and take his word for having done adequate research and critical thinking for them. The arguments he presents always seem stronger than the counter because of his fast talking eloquence.

I'm not pivoting at all. I've been very consistent on this.

Why wont you provide examples? I'd like to know what you mean when you say that he is "blurt(ing) out bigotry, misogyny, transphobic or whatever comments".

Establishing that some people are outraged isnt enough. People get outraged by all sorts of insignificant shit.

There's no doubt that he has some views that people might disagree with, but I havent really seen him be particularly disrespectful towards groups. Quite the opposite actually, plenty of people interviewing him have had no problem being offensive when expressing their view.

Also, on his power and influence. He has talked about that and how he wrestles with it. He's also been on record as being appalled at some of the extreme alt-right people who have taken much of what he says and turned it into a culture war.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I was having a conversation with my missus just a couple of days ago and I said, I wonder if 20 years from now, people will look back and go, "remember back in the early 2020's when people were identifying themselves as non-binary and calling themselves they/them? What was that all about??!!"

Now I'm likely to be criticised for this view and maybe even have this comment deleted, but to me that whole palaver is a complete load of nonsense and I'm thinking it will go the way of stone wash jeans and perms.... Oh wait, they're making a comeback?? Well, you know what I mean....

Much to some of hindy111's points in this thread, I feel like the world is getting closer and closer to one big reset, whatever that looks like.... It feels to me some days like the metaphorical balloon of civilisation is just about full and we risk blowing the whole thing up unless we stop and take a breath soon....

I think its silly but if someone wants me to call them a male or they or whatever then I dont really have a problem with it. I have a sister in law that is now my brother in law.

The issue that JP was fighting was a law in Canada that compelled it and likened not using someone's preferred pronouns to hate speech. It establishes a dangerous precedent and is completely uneccessary imo. If they can force you to say this, what next?

People then kept saying "JP hates Trans people", but he's said that he'll happily call people whatever they want. The issue he was fighting had nothing to do with trans people. It was about free speech and government overreach.

 

[strider]

Im not up on all the gender stuff ...

A girl at work updated her name on the messaging app we use at work (slack) to be "[her name] (them/they)" .... What does this mean? ... Am i meant to not call her a her?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Also, mental health is very important and I don't tolerate people deliberately marginalising groups through their words and actions...

However, I think we've reached a point where its being abused and people are using the "mental health neckless of immunity". I'm not sure how we deal with that as a society as I think it ultimately hurts those that are truly afflicted.