Non Footy Chat Thread II

[Haynzy]

@Haynzy Can we all agree that the marriage equality survey has got nothing to do with what happens in schools ?

Definitely

 

[Bazal]

'Teenagers' is a big group, just like how 'criminals' will commit crime, 'smokers' will smoke and 'bludgers' will do f**k all. There's no need to give them any more excuses to follow their inclinations.

Civilisation and adulthood are about learning to resist your impulses.

How civilised or adult do you reckon the human race would be in a century if you somehow took away the "impulse" to have sex, Pou?

 

[Snoochies]

Will gay sex have to be given equal time in classrooms as hetero sex if gay and straight are equal?

 

[Haynzy]

How civilised or adult do you reckon the human race would be in a century if you somehow took away the "impulse" to have sex, Pou?

For fear of speaking for Pou, I hazard a guess that he means 'control' rather than 'take away' when he says 'resist'.

 

[Bazal]

Yeah sure, I totally get where you're coming from and agree to a point.

I deal with a group of people whose basic attitude to life is if it feels good do it. Much of the dysfunction comes in that mindset when you have boys just wanting sex and girls wanting connection so the bigger, stronger boys force the issue. Substance abuse is rife and community breakdown is common.

Learning to say no or not yet to things is part of maturity but at the moment we do it with drugs and alcohol and we do the opposite with sexuality.

Absolutely and that's a big part of why education is so important. It's dangerous to allow that sort of mentality for a whole myriad of reasons. Ultimately there will always be people with that attitude and you won't eradicate it, so the best thing you can do is arm teenagers with the knowledge and the emotional maturity to recognise potentially destructive attitudes and behaviours.

As you say, we do it with drugs and alcohol. There is plenty of education surrounding those and harm they can do. But sex education is still such a touchy issue in certain regards for some reason. That's why I advocate a much more open form of sex education, because kids need to know how harmful it can be and how dangerous it can be.

All I've really been saying is that you cannot (and to an extent should not) stop teenagers having sex, so we really should be arming them to deal with sex as it becomes an issue that they need to deal with.

And tbh I feel like school curriculum is massive joke completely lacking in a focus on relevant life skills but that's a different discussion

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How civilised or adult do you reckon the human race would be in a century if you somehow took away the "impulse" to have sex, Pou?

Who said anything about taking it away? People need to resist it, not f**king give in like the pissweak loosers they are.

 

[Bazal]

For fear of speaking for Pou, I hazard a guess that he means 'control' rather than 'take away' when he says 'resist'.

Yeah I know what he means, but he is comparing a biological imperative to an unsavory urge

 

[Bazal]

Will gay sex have to be given equal time in classrooms as hetero sex if gay and straight are equal?

Should it not be?

 

[Bazal]

Who said anything about taking it away? People need to resist it, not f**king give in like the pissweak loosers they are.

Deadshit loosers*

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah I know what he means, but he is comparing a biological imperative to an unsavory urge

It is f**king unsavory, like most biological imperatives. That's why society creates rules and norms to control them (or did until recently), so that we can be human beings rather than just animals.

 

[Snoochies]

Should it not be?

If so, maybe homosexual and hetero sex classes should be looked at being taught separate.
Fair enough people enjoy that lifestyle but she we be forced to learn about it?

Maybe just like religion, an opt out option.

 

[Bazal]

If so, maybe homosexual and hetero sex classes should be looked at being taught separate.
Fair enough people enjoy that lifestyle but she we be forced to learn about it?

Maybe just like religion, an opt out option.

Sure, OK, but what about the bi kids? Or kids who are still coming to terms with their sexuality?

Not to mention by separating the two groups you are reinforcing the idea that they should be separated.

It's just sex.

 

[Bazal]

It is f**king unsavory, like most biological imperatives. That's why society creates rules and norms to control them (or did until recently), so that we can be human beings rather than just animals.

Lol. Human arrogance consistently amuses me

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's what separates us from the animals.

 

[Bazal]

It's what separates us from the animals.

Humans are far more savage than animals.

 

[Snoochies]

Sure, OK, but what about the bi kids? Or kids who are still coming to terms with their sexuality?

Not to mention by separating the two groups you are reinforcing the idea that they should be separated.

It's just sex.

Define sex?

 

[Incorrect]

Define sex?

The best 45 seconds of my day...... when my wife lets me......

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Humans are far more savage than animals.

We're better than them at heaps of shit.

 

[Bazal]

We're better than them at heaps of shit.

Actually I saw some crazy douche carrying on about how animals aren't racist and therefore are better than humans on social media somewhere. I thought that was pretty funny.

 

[Haynzy]

Absolutely and that's a big part of why education is so important. It's dangerous to allow that sort of mentality for a whole myriad of reasons. Ultimately there will always be people with that attitude and you won't eradicate it, so the best thing you can do is arm teenagers with the knowledge and the emotional maturity to recognise potentially destructive attitudes and behaviours.

As you say, we do it with drugs and alcohol. There is plenty of education surrounding those and harm they can do. But sex education is still such a touchy issue in certain regards for some reason. That's why I advocate a much more open form of sex education, because kids need to know how harmful it can be and how dangerous it can be.

All I've really been saying is that you cannot (and to an extent should not) stop teenagers having sex, so we really should be arming them to deal with sex as it becomes an issue that they need to deal with.

And tbh I feel like school curriculum is massive joke completely lacking in a focus on relevant life skills but that's a different discussion

I think we're actually pretty close on this.

Where I differ is really just the age that teens should be becoming sexually active.

Boys brains don't develop the part that manages risky behaviours until late teens to mid twenties. Their lack of impulse control needs to be developed and I think we do them no favours by saying experiment with sex and we'll teach what's safe along the way. We should be teaching them first and then when they are able to have a mature understanding of the whole spectrum of sexuality, then give them the choice to act. I've seen so many young girls hurt through being forced (not necessarily physically) into sexual behaviours that they don't want because boys are just following their evolutionary urges.

I agree that the curriculum is a mess.
Too much choice because we need to pander to everyone's likes. Teach the important basics at school, expand at TAFE and Uni levels and then put the onus on business and industry to teach the nuances of their domains.