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Non Footy Chat Thread II

Suitman

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No, defending other people's POV is fine when you fully disclose what you're doing. You on the other hand, go on fishing expeditions and make shit up on the fly.

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And you've only just worked this out?
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yeah, I get how old mate thinks. That's obvious to me. I am thinking both macro and micro.

At the end of the day though what should matter is what we need to do to improve the overall safety of the MAJORITY of people.

Therefore the view of someone who thinks he needs a gun to make himself feel safe is important to understand but it shouldn't be a material issue when considering gun policy that affects the safety of EVERYONE.
Agreed. However from a practical point of view, plenty of Americans will actually become less safe if gun control is misapplied. And don’t forget there is already gun control policy in the States and this shit still slips through.

Obviously the intent is to further reduce incidents like this but we don’t know how much more frequent these things would be with more restrictive firearms legislation. Access to guns and legal access to guns are two very different things.
 

Poupou Escobar

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No, defending other people's POV is fine when you fully disclose what you're doing. You on the other hand, go on fishing expeditions and make shit up on the fly.

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If you want to restrict the discussion only to the parameters you’ve covered at parties then of course you’ll feel blind-sided. But if you want to avoid unintended consequences you need to anticipate them, not dismiss them as ‘made up shit’. Today’s problems are largely a result of yesterday’s solutions.
 

Gronk

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If you want to restrict the discussion only to the parameters you’ve covered at parties then of course you’ll feel blind-sided. But if you want to avoid unintended consequences you need to anticipate them, not dismiss them as ‘made up shit’. Today’s problems are largely a result of yesterday’s solutions.

Are you like this in real life ?
 

Gary Gutful

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Agreed. However from a practical point of view, plenty of Americans will actually become less safe if gun control is misapplied. And don’t forget there is already gun control policy in the States and this shit still slips through.
Plenty. But not the majority.

Obviously the intent is to further reduce incidents like this but we don’t know how much more frequent these things would be with more restrictive firearms legislation. Access to guns and legal access to guns are two very different things.
Reducing both legal and illegal access to guns would ultimately see an improvement over time. The sad thing is that guns are such a firmly entrenched part of the culture that you would have to introduce it slowly. If you tried to pull a John Howard Post-Port Arthur type move then merkins would be killing people in their thousands by way of protest.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Plenty. But not the majority.


Reducing both legal and illegal access to guns would ultimately see an improvement over time. The sad thing is that guns are such a firmly entrenched part of the culture that you would have to introduce it slowly. If you tried to pull a John Howard Post-Port Arthur type move then merkins would be killing people in their thousands by way of protest.
I just think merkins would hide their firearms from the government. They wouldn’t just go away.
 

Gronk

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Why wasn’t it terrorism, in your opinion? For the sake of expediency let’s assume you’ve already made the joke about it not being terrorism because he’s white.

Because there are merkins in society who have given up. They could be burdened by mental illness or not but the bottom line is that they are loners who have been desensitized to society norms and seek a deluded version of after death admiration. Las Vegas and Texas merkins were like this. Sandy Hook the same.
 

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