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Gronk

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Sorry but I just had to post these images side-by-side.

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It's ok, we like burying our heads in the sand in this country.

If we don't we're labelled racists........
 
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It's ok, we like burying our heads in the sand in this country.

If we don't we're labelled racists........

What do you actually think the country should do Korny, and to whom?

It's not hard to see that we've got a problem. But the best way to deal with it and have a liveable country in the long run is pretty tough call.
 

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What do you actually think the country should do Korny, and to whom?

It's not hard to see that we've got a problem. But the best way to deal with it and have a liveable country in the long run is pretty tough call.

Maybe we should start to focus on being multi-racial but NOT multi-cultural.
There is a difference and one doesn't work.
 
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Maybe we should start to focus on being multi-racial but NOT multi-cultural.
There is a difference and one doesn't work.

How?


I suspect I know what you mean, but I think it's a bit far to say we shouldn't be multi-cultural. I think the country has benefited massively from the influx of Greek, Italian, Vietnamese 'culture'. It is only some aspects of culture (sometimes driven by religion, sometimes other stuff) that cause the big shit.
 

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How?


I suspect I know what you mean, but I think it's a bit far to say we shouldn't be multi-cultural. I think the country has benefited massively from the influx of Greek, Italian, Vietnamese 'culture'. It is only some aspects of culture (sometimes driven by religion, sometimes other stuff) that cause the big shit.

I could share some ideas but I won't at the risk of being labelled a racist.

Influencing a culture with racial injections, such as what the Greeks, Italians and Vietnamese have done (and the early Chinese migrants of 100+ years ago) are exactly what I think multi-racial is.

Adapting over time the culture of a nation based on the influences of the residents, regardless of where they come from but maintaining a single culture = multi-racial.

Allowing there to be many separate cultures some replicas of cultures from other countries and all attempting to co-exist alongside each other = multi-cultural and IMHO, that simply doesn't work.
 
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I could share some ideas but I won't at the risk of being labelled a racist.

Influencing a culture with racial injections, such as what the Greeks, Italians and Vietnamese have done (and the early Chinese migrants of 100+ years ago) are exactly what I think multi-racial is.

Adapting over time the culture of a nation based on the influences of the residents, regardless of where they come from but maintaining a single culture = multi-racial.

Allowing there to be many separate cultures some replicas of cultures from other countries and all attempting to co-exist alongside each other = multi-cultural and IMHO, that simply doesn't work.

Yeh, I think we are at crossed premises here. You have a much narrower definition of culture than I do, which is cool. Some manifestations of cultural differences do no harm at all (e.g. having a siesta, preferring to avoid risk, connection to extended family etc) )....they don't harm anyone else. It is when these differences lead to people thinking they can harm others, or stop others enjoying their own activities that the shit hits the fan.
 

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I'm irked by the happenings of late re: Parramatta HQ shooting.

We don't seem to be hearing a loud and clear voice from Muslim community leaders conceding that they have a problem, that they condemn the actions of these merkins who perpetrate and encourage others to perpetrate these crimes.

It's time that the community stop whining about search warrants and dawn raids as a breach of their civil liberties and deem them necessary so as to stamp out the bad eggs. They need to join as one to stamp out these extremists and state that they are not welcome in our community.

Mums and Dads, Muftis and other community leaders need to speak out as their collective silence condones the shit that's going down ATM.
 
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emjaycee

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Yeh, I think we are at crossed premises here. You have a much narrower definition of culture than I do, which is cool. Some manifestations of cultural differences do no harm at all (e.g. having a siesta, preferring to avoid risk, connection to extended family etc) )....they don't harm anyone else. It is when these differences lead to people thinking they can harm others, or stop others enjoying their own activities that the shit hits the fan.

I agree wholeheartedly with the cultural manifestations you listed and would even go further and include things such as diwali, Chinese NY celebrations, the fantastic influences on our culinary tastes, music influences and other aspects of their country of origin that are brought here by migration. Hence my reference to the positive impacts the migration of chinese, vietnamese, greek and italians have provided over the years. As have more recent migrants from asia and the middle east.

I don't think there are differences in our areas of concern either - harming others, stopping others from enjoying their own activities are 2 key ones, but I would include anything that changes the way in which we live our lives that is forced upon us and does not evolve. Removal of christian religious festivals from schools so as not to upset one particular culture, changing aspects of the constitution to cater for differing standards of dress, etc. To me these types of changes need to evolve and be the desire of the majority before being implemented, not the few.

So within our single culture we can recognise the various influences brought by the numerous races that make up our multi-racial society from their original culture and build an Australian culture that suits all who want it.
 

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Islam is not a race so technically its bigotry.

Doesn't matter if it's not racism, it will still be called it because attention is paid to something as soon as a minority starts screaming.

What do you actually think the country should do Korny, and to whom?

It's not hard to see that we've got a problem. But the best way to deal with it and have a liveable country in the long run is pretty tough call.

You are right, they let the problem in for some unknown reason and now we all have to suffer with the consequences. When stuff like this happens "you asked for it" instantly comes to mind.

Many countries are now on the same spot we are in........

we've past the point of no return

Sadly I think you are right.
 
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I'm irked by the happenings of late re: Parramatta HQ shooting.

We don't seem to be hearing a loud and clear voice from Muslim community leaders conceding that they have a problem, that they condemn the actions of these merkins who perpetrate and encourage others to perpetrate these crimes.

It's time that the community stop whining about search warrants and dawn raids as a breach of their civil liberties and deem them necessary so as to stamp out the bad eggs. They need to join as one to stamp out these extremists and state that they are not welcome in our community.

Mums and Dads, Muftis and other community leaders need to speak out as their collective silence condones the shit that's going down ATM.


Sure. One thing to remember here is that the structure of the Islamic institutions is quite different to what we are used to. There's no grand poo bah of Australia in any meaningful sense.There's a whole bunch of community leaders. So when the question is asked, 'what does the Muslim community think?'.....it often depends on which one you ask. And when some of them get asked, and the answer isn't controversial it aint going to make the front page. Go and ask king f**kwit instead.
 

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Maybe we should start to focus on being multi-racial but NOT multi-cultural.
There is a difference and one doesn't work.

I agree with this. Be good to see some islamic personalitys like sports starts stand up against isis and their evil violence.
 
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It's another facet of our self-absorbed society.

It's not even an option any more to point out that a minority (of any kind, not just racial or religious) needs to take responsibility for themselves. That kind of talk is outright bigotry!

Instead, everyone has to pander to every single minority - equally - at every given point in time.

It's everywhere, not just in relation to Islam. It is what we have turned ourselves into with our narcissism - we're petulant little f**ks.

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In short, these days we scream "Society should pander to my individuality!" when what we should be saying is "I have a right to my individuality but not at the expense of society".
 
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I'm quite proud that I seem to have had a post deleted that simply linked a pretty bland news article in the public domain. Oh well. Maybe I didn't post it properly. If you did delete it mods, I'd appreciate a PM noting what the problem was.
 

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I'm quite proud that I seem to have had a post deleted that simply linked a pretty bland news article in the public domain. Oh well. Maybe I didn't post it properly. If you did delete it mods, I'd appreciate a PM noting what the problem was.


I read it and cannot see why it was deleted. I agree they don't have a supreme chief that talks to the masses. Hang on they do. It's Allah but he doesn't talk much.
 
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