Non Footy related discussion

[BossleyPanther]

All Lies to bring in Tyranny. They also said vaccines do not work on Omicron and the newest variant can't be detected by RAT or PCR .. they also said that the way you treat Convid is by Panadol nerofin electrolyte cold and flu. Game over Trucks all over the world heading to the capitals

 

[Fangs]

Love a good old vax debate.

Re long-term negative effects of vaccines. Two points:

1.) There is no rational reason to think there will be severe negative side effects long-term.

2.) There is absolutely no evidence for the long-term effects of contracting covid-19.

So essentially you can play with the virus or the vaccine. Individual circumstances aside its an obvious choice for the majority of people.

 

[DinkyDi]

I called you out on your fascist views. Deal with it. Omicron obliterated any thoughts that vaccines stop or limit the spread in any meaningful way, so either take them or not. It shouldn't be forced on anyone

So, please, enlighten me, why did you only become aggressive towards me? Fortunately, we are strangers, you do not know my history. We are adults, having an adult conversations, until you made it personal.

 

[soc123_au]

So, please, enlighten me, why did you only become aggressive towards me? Fortunately, we are strangers, you do not know my history. We are adults, having an adult conversations, until you made it personal.

Honestly I think you are over reacting to the personal bit. You put your circumstances out there, Smug just commented on that. If you put your personal stuff in the public domain it's you that made it personal imo.

I'm still genuinely interested as to why you think the vax should be mandatory if you are already protected. What difference can it possibly make to your own welfare? I see it as like making my kids take my heart meds so I dont have another heart attack.

 

[DinkyDi]

Honestly I think you are over reacting to the personal bit. You put your circumstances out there, Smug just commented on that. If you put your personal stuff in the public domain it's you that made it personal imo.

I'm still genuinely interested as to why you think the vax should be mandatory if you are already protected. What difference can it possibly make to your own welfare? I see it as like making my kids take my heart meds so I dont have another heart attack.

How would you like it? I was accused of lying, in a round about way. Also, I articulate my true feelings about Smug, I would get a life time ban. It helps mitigate the damage. With herd immunity, this will turn into a epidemic, rather than a pandemic.

 

[soc123_au]

How would you like it? I was accused of lying, in a round about way. Also, I articulate my true feelings about Smug, I would get a life time ban. It helps mitigate the damage. With herd immunity, this will turn into a epidemic, rather than a pandemic.

I only choose to share personal stuff that I can handle being discussed in whatever fashion someone reading it sees fit. If I dont want to be called out on it, I'll keep it to myself. I have no doubt that you have your health issues, but honestly you do come across as a bit melodramatic at times. That isnt meant as an insult either, typing on a forum can make it difficult to interpret things all the time.

That still doesnt explain how someone else being vaxxed directly affects your health.

 

[DinkyDi]

I only choose to share personal stuff that I can handle being discussed in whatever fashion someone reading it sees fit. If I dont want to be called out on it, I'll keep it to myself. I have no doubt that you have your health issues, but honestly you do come across as a bit melodramatic at times. That isnt meant as an insult either, typing on a forum can make it difficult to interpret things all the time.

That still doesnt explain how someone else being vaxxed directly affects your health.

Wow, okay, that is your opinion. Enjoy your evening.

 

[Kilkenny]

In defence of the available vaccines I don’t ever remember it being suggested they prevent catching Covid.

As far as I am concerned the narrative has always been it is able to reduce the threat of death of serious illness.

It does that, the science and evidence is undeniable So I don’t understand the argument. The vaccines are a good thing in the immediate short term, they have delivered Im not sure what more we can ask.

Sure it is in the best interests of big pharma to promote never ending booster shots because it boosts returns for shareholders but that is the reality of the real world.

Anyway hopefully the omicron strain has added value to the vaccines by boosting natural immunity. The two things combined have to be a good thing in the fight against the disease.

 

[soc123_au]

Wow, okay, that is your opinion. Enjoy your evening.

Just being honest with you. You are correct that it is just an opinion though.

 

[soc123_au]

In defence of the available vaccines I don’t ever remember it being suggested they prevent catching Covid.

As far as I am concerned the narrative has always been it is able to reduce the threat of death of serious illness.

It does that, the science and evidence is undeniable So I don’t understand the argument. The vaccines are a good thing in the immediate short term, they have delivered Im not sure what more we can ask.

Sure it is in the best interests of big pharma to promote never ending booster shots because it boosts returns for shareholders but that is the reality of the real world.

Anyway hopefully the omicron strain has added value to the vaccines by boosting natural immunity. The two things combined have to be a good thing in the fight against the disease.

Early on it was about prevention. It only changed because it was obviously proven to be false.

As I've said, I'm not against the vaccine, I'm against the lack of choice.

 

[BossleyPanther]

Early on it was about prevention. It only changed because it was obviously proven to be false.

As I've said, I'm not against the vaccine, I'm against the lack of choice.

correct, narrative keeps changing.. anyway 2022 will be positive

 

[BossleyPanther]

 

[DinkyDi]

Just being honest with you. You are correct that it is just an opinion though.

I am going to be honest with you, I do not care what you, Smug, or others thinks about me. None of you know me. I just love it how Smug, decided to get personal with me, when others have aired their views.

 

[soc123_au]

I am going to be honest with you, I do not care what you, Smug, or others thinks about me. None of you know me. I just love it how Smug, decided to get personal with me, when others have aired their views.

All good. It's just a discussion.

 

[DinkyDi]

All good. It's just a discussion.

 

[BossleyPanther]

If it was about medical and health, why are RATs sold at Harvey Norman, Take Away shops, Toy Stores and fruit and veg shops??

 

[Smug Panther]

If it was about medical and health, why are RATs sold at Harvey Norman, Take Away shops, Toy Stores and fruit and veg shops??

Our PM being an incompetent merkin is a different issue. RATs basically don't work anyways imo

 

[Pomoz]

Then if you are up to date with your vaccines why does it matter what anyone else chooses to do?

Nobody ever said that vaccines were perfect and would stop transmission of the virus completely. The data is in and they don't work 100%. Even if I am vaccinated there is a chance I will catch the virus.

However, if you don't have the vaccine the chances of you catching the disease are higher. The illness is likely to be more severe and you the chances you need hospital treatment and may die are also a lot higher. So what?

If you choose to be unvaccinated there are two things you do:

1. You increase the chance of the disease spreading because you are more likely to catch it. That is not good for the community;
2. You are more likely to use up a hospital bed for treatment because the symptoms are more severe. A hospital bed that could be used for somebody with a serious illness like cancer.

Think of it like this. If you had the vaccine you may not have needed hospital treatment when you caught the disease. Because you took up a hospital bed in intensive care, a road accident victim or cancer patient was unable to get the treatment they needed and died. This isn't hypothetical, it is actually happening. Here is a doctor talking about turning away patients

"On Aug. 3, I received a call from a hospital that does not have a cancer program. Such calls are routine at the regional referral center where I work. A doctor at the outlying hospital had a patient with metastatic brain cancer. She was unable to walk, and without urgent radiation treatments there was no hope for any meaningful recovery.

My hospital, one of the largest in central Florida, was full of covid patients, more than 90 percent of whom were unvaccinated. We had no beds available. We had paused elective surgeries the previous week and have been trying to control the influx of patients. Our emergency department had a 12-hour wait that day. But I had no choice. For the first time in my career, I had to say no." Nitesh N. Paryani Washington Post article August 21 , 2021.

To me it is a simple choice. Get vaccinated and help the community by reducing the chance of getting the disease and the severity if you do get it, or don't get vaccinated and hope nobody dies because you used up a bed in intensive care. Or hope nobody dies because you caught the virus and gave it to somebody vulnerable.

So much discussion is about letting perfect be the enemy of good. The data is in from around the world and from millions of patients. No, vaccines aren't perfect, but they are pretty damn good and help the community. The fact they are not 100% effective is not a valid reason to be unvaccinated. They have helped our medical system cope and without them there would be many more deaths.

 

[Kilkenny]

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Sad very sad. You do realise you can’t take one isolated incident as evidence against the effectiveness against the vaccines.

One of my daughters best friends died as a consequence of the Astra Vaccine. A known side effect that sadly resulted in the death of 0.05% of those who received Astra. Devastating but what do you do, given overall the vaccines have save millions of lives.

Mate, do your own thing, ultimately, it is a personal decision. If your comfortable talking the risk, choosing not to be Vaccinated fair play to you. Hopefully, when you contract Covid which ultimately we all will in the years ahead you will be all good, minimal issues move on. On the other hand…..

 

[Kilkenny]

Nobody ever said that vaccines were perfect and would stop transmission of the virus completely. The data is in and they don't work 100%. Even if I am vaccinated there is a chance I will catch the virus.

However, if you don't have the vaccine the chances of you catching the disease are higher. The illness is likely to be more severe and you the chances you need hospital treatment and may die are also a lot higher. So what?

If you choose to be unvaccinated there are two things you do:

1. You increase the chance of the disease spreading because you are more likely to catch it. That is not good for the community;
2. You are more likely to use up a hospital bed for treatment because the symptoms are more severe. A hospital bed that could be used for somebody with a serious illness like cancer.

Think of it like this. If you had the vaccine you may not have needed hospital treatment when you caught the disease. Because you took up a hospital bed in intensive care, a road accident victim or cancer patient was unable to get the treatment they needed and died. This isn't hypothetical, it is actually happening. Here is a doctor talking about turning away patients

"On Aug. 3, I received a call from a hospital that does not have a cancer program. Such calls are routine at the regional referral center where I work. A doctor at the outlying hospital had a patient with metastatic brain cancer. She was unable to walk, and without urgent radiation treatments there was no hope for any meaningful recovery.

My hospital, one of the largest in central Florida, was full of covid patients, more than 90 percent of whom were unvaccinated. We had no beds available. We had paused elective surgeries the previous week and have been trying to control the influx of patients. Our emergency department had a 12-hour wait that day. But I had no choice. For the first time in my career, I had to say no." Nitesh N. Paryani Washington Post article August 21 , 2021.

To me it is a simple choice. Get vaccinated and help the community by reducing the chance of getting the disease and the severity if you do get it, or don't get vaccinated and hope nobody dies because you used up a bed in intensive care. Or hope nobody dies because you caught the virus and gave it to somebody vulnerable.

So much discussion is about letting perfect be the enemy of good. The data is in from around the world and from millions of patients. No, vaccines aren't perfect, but they are pretty damn good and help the community. The fact they are not 100% effective is not a valid reason to be unvaccinated. They have helped our medical system cope and without them there would be many more deaths.

Well said, as always you are able to put into words what many of us feel.