NRL boss Dave Smith embarks on quest of massive reforms

[Edwahu]

- Compensation pay outs to be split between the local junior club & affiliated NRL club for any local junior poached from a club before the age of 21. These need to be significant compensation packages or it to work.

- Significant Salary cap discounts for local juniors

Keeping 5 players shouldn't be considered a win for keeping local juniors, it's a joke. Then other clubs get free shots at the other 25-30 youngsters from the district.

Would anyone outside the top 5 at each club end up in first grade anyway? There isn't a big annual market for 6th best juniors.

Agree with your suggestions though.

 

[El Diablo]

I think dropping the NYC is a mistake, but I'll wait and see what their solution is

Ikin was saying the other night they might drop it and instead have a national under 18 comp as it's replacement

something like that

 

[Eddie Lab]

dropping NYC might be a not be the best move but the standard of NYC isn't great and the jump up is clearly too much for a lot of players. also the current situation with teams like Raiders juniors are being pillaged something needs to change.

if the ARLC is going to take over all junior development and promote NSW/QLD cup to be a higher standard then I could get behind these changes.

 

[Edwahu]

I wonder if the NRL will also look at "centralization" and "redistribution" of 3rd party agreements. I doubt that's the kind of advantage they want to deal with though.

 

[carlosthedwarf]

Ikin was saying the other night they might drop it and instead have a national under 18 comp as it's replacement

something like that

Would that mean the 18+ pathway would be straight to NSW/QLD cup level? Not sure if that's an improvement, but again I'd prefer to wait for the full details before writing it off.

 

[RWB]

Would anyone outside the top 5 at each club end up in first grade anyway? There isn't a big annual market for 6th best juniors.

Agree with your suggestions though.

We signed up Latrell Mitchell who was passed on by the Knights all together as a junior. Couldn't even make their squad. The kid is an absolute freak, probably one of the brightest juniors I've ever seen come through the Roosters SG Ball squad.

If a kid like him can miss a squad all together I shudder to imagine what players who aren't considered "top 5 prospects" will turn out to be.

Just because a club like St George Ill for example can't identify who their best 5 prospects are when they're still in their developing years doesn't mean they should lose the right to that player.

I'm sure there's plenty of stories about kids who develop later than others.

 

[insert.pause]

Would that mean the 18+ pathway would be straight to NSW/QLD cup level? Not sure if that's an improvement, but again I'd prefer to wait for the full details before writing it off.

It's understood the new state-based competitions would feature under-18s and under-20s age groups, which would then feed talent through to the current open-age NSW and Queensland Cup competitions.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...wing-board-20140809-1028og.html#ixzz39xXTfRpR

 

[carlosthedwarf]

Cheers, thanks for the link. Was at the city2surf so I haven't had a chance to check the papers yet

 

[MrAnonymous]

Hopefully when they scrap the 20s they bring in a national reserve grade comp.

 

[supercharger]

Doesn't stop it. In the NBA for example if you finish dead last you get more entries to the draw meaning you get the highest percentage chance of landing the first pick. To have a draft you would also have to look at a trade system. Teams will sell players for draft considerations to increase their ability to tank. Even if they don't have a trade, coaches will find a way to tank. Get ready for sub 5000 people crowds when that inevitably happens.

Eric Lindros refused to go to the Quebec Nordiques which in effect became a death nail for them and they would soon relocate as the Colorado Avalanche.

while tanking does occur in the NHL, NBA and WNBA there are no tanks rolling through the CFL, NFL, MLB, MLS, MLL, NLL or the KHL

And I know that tanking by definition is to lose intentionally but it's not the coaches or players? lack of effort that?s in question, but rather the high-level executives responsible for putting those players in the best possible position to win.

And just on the Nordiques they still would've moved to Denver, no amount of talent was going to stop that move.

 

[fourplay]

while tanking does occur in the NHL, NBA and WNBA there are no tanks rolling through the CFL, NFL, MLB, MLS, MLL, NLL or the KHL

And I know that tanking by definition is to lose intentionally but it's not the coaches or players? lack of effort that?s in question, but rather the high-level executives responsible for putting those players in the best possible position to win.

And just on the Nordiques they still would've moved to Denver, no amount of talent was going to stop that move.

In the last round of 2009 you can say Parramatta "tanked" against the dragons, as they had already made the top 8, and were going to play the dragons again in the first week of the semi finals in an elimination game regardless of the result. So during the week Daniel Anderson decided to do no video sessions, provided no game plan, and pretty much said go out and do whatever because he didn't want to show the dragons anything in a nothing game ahead of their semi.

So dragons smashed them in the last round game then the next week the eels beat the dragons and went on to make the gf.

 

[supercharger]

The draft is fine in the american market and maybe the afl but is just not an idea suited to rugby league in australia. For a start the NRL crosses international borders, how does Smith propose to integrate the warriors and new zealand into this draft;

The MLB, NBA and NHL (doi) have teams in Canada (which you know is another country, right?) And The NHL and NBA draft players from other countries outside of North America
in the MLB only players from the US, Canada and Puerto Rico are currently eligible for the draft Something the MLB want to change http://www.hardballtimes.com/mlb-wants-an-international-draft.-heres-why-it-shouldnt-happen.
even the god damn NFL draft players from Canadian universities.

 

[RWB]

The MLB, NBA and NHL (doi) have teams in Canada (which you know is another country, right?) And The NHL and NBA draft players from other countries outside of North America
in the MLB only players from the US, Canada and Puerto Rico are currently eligible for the draft Something the MLB want to change http://www.hardballtimes.com/mlb-wants-an-international-draft.-heres-why-it-shouldnt-happen.
even the god damn NFL draft players from Canadian universities.

The MLB, NBA & NHL don't have similar sports in the way Rugby League has Rugby Union.

We'll lose players to Rugby Union if we introduce a draft, especially in NZ.

 

[CC_Roosters]

The MLB, NBA and NHL (doi) have teams in Canada (which you know is another country, right?) And The NHL and NBA draft players from other countries outside of North America
in the MLB only players from the US, Canada and Puerto Rico are currently eligible for the draft Something the MLB want to change http://www.hardballtimes.com/mlb-wants-an-international-draft.-heres-why-it-shouldnt-happen.
even the god damn NFL draft players from Canadian universities.

I know all of the above and follow the NFL and nhl. I guess I was getting at the development of players is different in North America than Australia. Just poorly worded on my part.

This could end very poorly for rugby league in nz if handled the wrong way

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

I wonder if the NRL will also look at "centralization" and "redistribution" of 3rd party agreements. I doubt that's the kind of advantage they want to deal with though.

Is the salary cap not enough shackling of the bigger clubs to give the smaller, struggling plodders a legup?

 

[supercharger]

The MLB, NBA & NHL don't have similar sports in the way Rugby League has Rugby Union.

We'll lose players to Rugby Union if we introduce a draft, especially in NZ.

I'm not buying or selling the idea of a draft in the NRL, would like to see what they're proposing first. I was just pointing out that leagues like the NBA and NHL draft players from other countries

 

[supercharger]

I know all of the above and follow the NFL and nhl. I guess I was getting at the development of players is different in North America than Australia. Just poorly worded on my part.

Ok, cool

 

[Edwahu]

Is the salary cap not enough shackling of the bigger clubs to give the smaller, struggling plodders a legup?

If they want to pretend to be making everything even why not look at all the advantages different clubs have.

 

[GreenMachine121]

Could never be nade along the lines of the nba / nfl/nhl ..our comp is nowhere near the size of them and besides most of the draft comes out of a fairly efficient college system.. which the nrl does not have anything close too

Bottom line is the NRL is nowhere near the size or structure to maintain a draft

On the other hand we all could be wrong and the structure proposed is something completely different

 

[Rodney]

I think the draft might work if its for the u20s.
Once they've finished school they're eligible for the draft (should be 18-19 years of age)
Draft a certain amount of kids from SG Ball/ Qld Equivalent/ PNG, Fiji and NZ for the U20s with NRL clubs allowed to preserve 5 of their best juniors.