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NRL convert Israel Folau appears set to retire from Greater Western Sydney

kmav23

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lol

i said this when he converted. as with SBW the code convertors

.. he will be welcomed back with open arms after people call them traitors
 

RWB

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He is probably one of the best players under a high ball to have ever laced on a boot. He also has exceptional pace and was exceedingly hard to tackle. All of these things would make him a fantastic kick returner. If you ignore the extra 5/8 element of the modern fullback and focus purely on the ability he would have to return the ball at pace and beat tackles, he ticks those boxes.

The extra 5/8 element is overplayed imo. It's not like a fullback needs exceptional vision or any sort of kicking game, the likes of Boyd and Hayne sit out the back of a set move, receive a cut out and throw a pass to the winger and they usually only do this on their preferred side. They run this same set move 1000 times a week at training. You could train a monkey to do it, let alone an athlete like Folau.

So in summarising you think he should play fullback because;

a) He'd make a fantastic kick returner;
b) He's good under the highball

a) Wingers these days make just just as many kick returns as fullbacks, most clubs usually drop back 1 winger and have a left and right fullback to clean up long kicks.

b) Fullbacks rarely every compete for the ball these days, there's the odd mid-field bomb but compared to cross field kicks for wingers it's not even comparable. You'd just be nullifying his best attribute (aerial ability) in defence & attack by playing him at fullback. Most bombs these days aren't even competed for, they just hoist them up and hope the fullback drops it, anyone can do that what a waste of Folau's ability.

You can't just dismiss the ball playing role of the modern day fullback, you say it's easy to draw and pass or to be used in a set play but Folau never displayed this when he played in the centres. He was woeful at getting his winger into space so I'm not sure what you think has changed since he went to AFL and has come back.

Even if you want to argue that ball playing from your fullback is overrated he needs to offer something else like support play which he's never displayed throughout his career so it'd be a massive assumption to think he could just pick it up. Support play is instinctual, it's not something you can just learn in the off-season.

As for the Hayne argument, if you seriously think all he does is sit out the back and is made to look good through set plays you seriously need to watch more Parra games. The guy is one of the most creative players in the game, up there with Thurston & Marhsall imo.
 
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Someone

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Jamie Lyon never switched to another code, unlike Folau. All Lyon did was walk out on Parra, and if one of your career goals is to win premierships, why wouldn't you? ;-)

forced parra to lose tonga back in 04 in his prime then left after one game...

hes a merkin and nothing more.
 
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So in summarising you think he should play fullback because;

a) He'd make a fantastic kick returner;
b) He's good under the highball

a) Wingers these days make just just as many kick returns as fullbacks, most clubs usually drop back 1 winger and have a left and right fullback to clean up long kicks.

b) Fullbacks rarely every compete for the ball these days, there's the odd mid-field bomb but compared to cross field kicks for wingers it's not even comparable. You'd just be nullifying his best attribute (aerial ability) in defence & attack by playing him at fullback. Most bombs these days aren't even competed for, they just hoist them up and hope the fullback drops it, anyone can do that what a waste of Folau's ability.

You can't just dismiss the ball playing role of the modern day fullback, you say it's easy to draw and pass or to be used in a set play but Folau never displayed this when he played in the centres. He was woeful at getting his winger into space so I'm not sure what you think has changed since he went to AFL and has come back.

Even if you want to argue that ball playing from your fullback is overrated he needs to offer something else like support play which he's never displayed throughout his career so it'd be a massive assumption to think he could just pick it up. Support play is instinctual, it's not something you can just learn in the off-season.

As for the Hayne argument, if you seriously think all he does is sit out the back and is made to look good through set plays you seriously need to watch more Parra games. The guy is one of the most creative players in the game, up there with Thurston & Marhsall imo.

I think he will definitely play fullback because-

A. He has some of the necessary attributes
B. He is a fantastic athlete and Sticky will back him to learn the rest.
C. Sticky has always felt that Hayne is a 5/8
D. You don't pay $600k / year for a winger

Make of that what you will, but I guarantee you that I'm right and he will be trialled there at the very least.
 

NGR

Juniors
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I think he will definitely play fullback because-

A. He has some of the necessary attributes
B. He is a fantastic athlete and Sticky will back him to learn the rest.
C. Sticky has always felt that Hayne is a 5/8
D. You don't pay $600k / year for a winger

Make of that what you will, but I guarantee you that I'm right and he will be trialled there at the very least.

And E. Ricky likes playing his players out of position.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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I think he will definitely play fullback because-

A. He has some of the necessary attributes
B. He is a fantastic athlete and Sticky will back him to learn the rest.
C. Sticky has always felt that Hayne is a 5/8
D. You don't pay $600k / year for a winger

Make of that what you will, but I guarantee you that I'm right and he will be trialled there at the very least.

Obviously trolling. But its ok. Pretty sure you're one of the people that couldn't handle the souffs trolling, but what ever.

At the moment, I currently have more faith in Jake Mullany, Ken Sio and even Marmin Barba to play fullback over Folau. Will Hopoate will play fullback when he gets here if Hayne moves.
 

SuperiorEasts

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1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
2. Anthony Minichiello
3. Joseph Leilua
4. Shaun Kenny-Dowall
5. Israel Folau
6. James Maloney
7. Mitchell Pearce

Reserve Grade
1. Alofa Alofa
2. Michael Oldfield
3. Tautau Moga
4. Adam Henry
5. Daniel Tupou
6. Daniel Mortimer
7. Jack Littlejohn

Looking good for Easts in 2013
 

Wizardman

First Grade
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I think he will definitely play fullback because-

A. He has some of the necessary attributes
B. He is a fantastic athlete and Sticky will back him to learn the rest.
C. Sticky has always felt that Hayne is a 5/8
D. You don't pay $600k / year for a winger

Make of that what you will, but I guarantee you that I'm right and he will be trialled there at the very least.

No way on Earth would you move Hayne from fb.
 

Big Pete

Referee
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I think he will definitely play fullback because-

A. He has some of the necessary attributes
B. He is a fantastic athlete and Sticky will back him to learn the rest.
C. Sticky has always felt that Hayne is a 5/8
D. You don't pay $600k / year for a winger

Make of that what you will, but I guarantee you that I'm right and he will be trialled there at the very least.

He's played there in the past as well.

I think Ricky would be mad to move Hayne but as you pointed out in C he's already got a wild opinion of Hayne.
 

boxhead

First Grade
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Putting Folau at fullback is the equivalent of weakening one position to weaken another. Seriously, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. He's far better at centre, we lack a good right centre. We have far better fullbacks, even if Hayne moves to five-eighth.

Phil Crawley or whatever his name is just happens to know that Folau will be paid 600K (derp) and thus his entire article is based around an ambiguous statement.
 

Trentosaurus

Juniors
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It's not ridiculous to think that Folau could play fullback now but not if he's going to the Eels. It would only be worth trying at a club that has nobody to fill the #1 jersey.
 

Ladmate

Bench
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Folau doesn't have the instincts to play fullback. He lacks ball-playing skills and support play.
 

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