NRL Draft back on the agenda

[Iamback]

Lol he's already signed to a top 30. It's the next generation we are talking about.

Like I posted earlier, with the Titans now getting the pick of the litter in numerous SEQ powerhouse rugby league schools a draft would likely disadvantage the Titans long-term but it is good for the game. So yes.

Is it better to have 17 clubs linked to powerhouse schools?

 

[nick87]

Perhaps I am but wouldn’t it make Union more attractive to players who could easily play both. For example the next Sualii or other hyped youngster would they then decide to play union because they have the choice and freedom to go here they want.

I feel if you are going to use the draft, I would use a draft for talent that is not in the system so for example players from the Pacific or in V’Landys grand idea players from the US.

Good luck to them. If they want to go and play RU, a dying sport in this country. Cool. Go and travel the world and play a sport no one here gives a shit about

RL survived and thrived when ARU came hunting for RL players before and it’ll survive and thrive again. There is always a next big thing, is Sualii left he’ll be forgotten and replaced very quickly. As Lote, Wendell and Rodgers were, as Folau was, as the storm winger who’s name evades me at this time, as RTS was

 

[nick87]

How is best for the game?
Teams should be able to develop from within

I’m not saying it is or isnt
I’m saying the decision on a draft should be made on what is best for the game, and not out of fear of a handful of players packing a sad and f**king off to RU

FWIW i think it would be good for the game if they could get around the development issue being done by the governing body which is admittedly a nigh on impossible problem to solve
Increased parity, additional revenue to drive up salaries for the players, increased ability to expand into non traditional RL areas.

 

[Iamback]

1 day into a new NBA season and 3 teams are already going to tank... Just what the NRL needs

 

[Iamback]

I’m not saying it is or isnt
I’m saying the decision on a draft should be made on what is best for the game, and not out of fear of a handful of players packing a sad and f**king off to RU

FWIW i think it would be good for the game if they could get around the development issue being done by the governing body which is admittedly a nigh on impossible problem to solve
Increased parity, additional revenue to drive up salaries for the players, increased ability to expand into non traditional RL areas.

Clubs want be the best, they will go to areas others don't and set up better than someone in an office will

 

[nick87]

Clubs want be the best, they will go to areas others don't and set up better than someone in an office will

I dont see any reason why the governing body can't do as good and probably even a better job than clubs at developing players and people if they had the right structure in place and the right people... there is a million terrible stories around how junior players have been treated by clubs once the club realised they werent good enough. Or how clubs have tolerated and enabled terrible behaviour and personal development because the player was so talented
I could make a good argument that removing young players from a single entity and having it controlled by a body that is not directly linked to any club would provide a better and more well rounded development of player and person, because they are not incentised to produce a player for a club, they are incentised to produce players and PEOPLE for the code.

How you get to that point... that's the difficult part.

But if you don't think it's good for the game, and believe that junior development should be driven the 17 east coast clubs and that's just how it is. All power to you. You're absolutely welcome to that opinion and there is validity to it.

I think a draft would be good for the game long term. For the reasons outlined above and others. But i concede it's just a non starter until they figured out a way to manage the development outside of the clubs.

But my point is simply this. Like or don't like a draft based on what you think is best for the code. Not because you're scared the next Joesph Sualii is going to say "f**k the draft, im going to RU". Good luck to that guy. RL will move on and replace him with the next big thing, as they've always done.

 

[Tweed Titan]

I know how drafts work... they work in sports where there are no other options.

They all require a player to nominate for it too, You can't force players to do that

No I clearly showed an example where you don't know how they work. If players want to play in the NRL (hint: they do), they have to nominate for the draft, so they will.

The only difficulty will be getting it past the RLPA. But if the NRL is smart they will sell it that they'll cap the draftees salaries for a few seasons so the veteran players get a bigger slice of the cap. Then they'll probably be magically all for it.

 

[Colk]

I’m not saying it is or isnt
I’m saying the decision on a draft should be made on what is best for the game, and not out of fear of a handful of players packing a sad and f**king off to RU

FWIW i think it would be good for the game if they could get around the development issue being done by the governing body which is admittedly a nigh on impossible problem to solve
Increased parity, additional revenue to drive up salaries for the players, increased ability to expand into non traditional RL areas.

I agree that is the biggest positive for a draft. It is hard to see how you can do that successfully and even expansion generally with just the current system in place. For me the current system needs to have something else to go with it, I am not pro draft especially but there has to be something.

Also, I am totally for a body to develop talent rather than the clubs themselves. The current model is inefficient and convoluted: it stops us from looking at outside areas for development and prevents the best use of development practices for existing league strongholds. For example, nobody can tell me that we have made the best use of areas like Hunter/Newcastle or Gold Coast/Tweed Heads over the past decade or so; mainly because the clubs have been financially destitute and therefore haven’t invested as much as we could/should have.

 

[nick87]

You can also kind of split the beast a bit with development.

The national body could control development to a certain point, and just spit calling here say year 12... fund a national H/S football competition (get it televised to add to revenue), where players in year 11-12. We're talking 17-18 y/o's. Force these kids to stay in school and complete year 12, add some criteria about behaviour and academics to be eligible. Prioritise their education at a basic Year 12 level... national comp (the structure of that could be any number of things), televised, NRL teams can send their development coaches and scouts/coaches to these games, or watch them to assess players

Now that'll create super schools for sure, where talented players all end up in the RL power house schools to make sure they get noticed etc. But that's fine, growing up Blacktown Workers and St Doms in penrith were basically that anyways lol
Then draft from that pool. The players go to their clubs, and now the clubs have to continue that development through NSW Cup... sure the very best are going to quickly get into FG, probably within a year or two... others, just like now, might take 3-4 years and debut at 21

That's a lot of development too. It's not as if development stops at a draft.
And it would only be 2-3 rounds per year, so the players undrafted can then go to whatever club that wants them. Those drafted would be compensated with a pretty spicy pay packet to go to the club, and those who arent... well they get what they get.

 

[MugaB]

You can also kind of split the beast a bit with development.

The national body could control development to a certain point, and just spit calling here say year 12... fund a national H/S football competition (get it televised to add to revenue), where players in year 11-12. We're talking 17-18 y/o's. Force these kids to stay in school and complete year 12, add some criteria about behaviour and academics to be eligible. Prioritise their education at a basic Year 12 level... national comp (the structure of that could be any number of things), televised, NRL teams can send their development coaches and scouts/coaches to these games, or watch them to assess players

Now that'll create super schools for sure, where talented players all end up in the RL power house schools to make sure they get noticed etc. But that's fine, growing up Blacktown Workers and St Doms in penrith were basically that anyways lol
Then draft from that pool. The players go to their clubs, and now the clubs have to continue that development through NSW Cup... sure the very best are going to quickly get into FG, probably within a year or two... others, just like now, might take 3-4 years and debut at 21

That's a lot of development too. It's not as if development stops at a draft.
And it would only be 2-3 rounds per year, so the players undrafted can then go to whatever club that wants them. Those drafted would be compensated with a pretty spicy pay packet to go to the club, and those who arent... well they get what they get.

So joseph Su'alii for example does his year 12, at St Doms... then gets approached by souffs, gets told don't go into the draft... we'll pick up.. then he stays there for a year, and signs a better deal at the rorters with an added RU clause... this is all hypothetical... of course

 

[nick87]

So joseph Su'alii for example does his year 12, at St Doms... then gets approached by souffs, gets told don't go into the draft... we'll pick up.. then he stays there for a year, and signs a better deal at the rorters with an added RU clause... this is all hypothetical... of course

That’s not really how drafts work
You don’t get drafted to a one year deal. Kind of defeats the purpose
They are usually 3-4 year deals. And the club holds the rights until the player fulfils it or the rights are traded

so in your hypothetical, if an nrl draft was the same as others, he can’t sign with another club unless the club who drafted him trades or relinquishes the rights to his contract

he can f**k off to RU, or take massive unders to play in the ESL but that’s where he’ll have to stay until he fulfils his obligation to the club who drafted him or they trade/relinquish his rights

 

[MugaB]

That’s not really how drafts work
You don’t get drafted to a one year deal. Kind of defeats the purpose
They are usually 3-4 year deals. And the club holds the rights until the player fulfils it or the rights are traded

so in your hypothetical, if an nrl draft was the same as others, he can’t sign with another club unless the club who drafted him trades or relinquishes the rights to his contract

he can f**k off to RU, or take massive unders to play in the ESL but that’s where he’ll have to stay until he fulfils his obligation to the club who drafted him or they trade/relinquish his rights

Yeah i know... souths told him NOT to get drafted... so they can pick him up

 

[Iamback]

No I clearly showed an example where you don't know how they work. If players want to play in the NRL (hint: they do), they have to nominate for the draft, so they will.

The only difficulty will be getting it past the RLPA. But if the NRL is smart they will sell it that they'll cap the draftees salaries for a few seasons so the veteran players get a bigger slice of the cap. Then they'll probably be magically all for it.

Really so Jarryd Hayne HAD to go through the draft to play NFL?

 

[Iamback]

Yeah i know... souths told him NOT to get drafted... so they can pick him up

In these cases it will be like guys 18 Need to go through the draft. Player just plays QCup or something until they turn 19 then sign with the club of their choice

 

[MugaB]

In these cases it will be like guys 18 Need to go through the draft. Player just plays QCup or something until they turn 19 then sign with the club of their choice

These are stupid rules, that benefits no one... a draft will send the best 18 yr olds to the worst clubs, to basically tank... whilst the unwanted scraps are put to market... basically you want the draft to help shit teams, even up... but the end result is you corrupt the talented players, and punish them... if you want to make this draft, it has to work via nsw cup or qld cup... basically you get "drafted" to the reserve grade only... it'll be upto the Canterburys or Parramattas to promote them into 1st grade or discard prior to debut... absolutely no point drafting foregin players into your top30, if you can't see them work thru out a season, and pre season and possibly thensome before even getting a shot at nrl level... even then the draft is useless

 

[Iamback]

These are stupid rules, that benifit no one... a draft will send the best 18 yr olds to the worst clubs, to basically tank... whilst the unwanted scraps are put to market... basically you want the draft to help shit teams, even up... but the end result is you corrupt the talented players, and pinish them... if you want to make this draft, it has to work via nsw cup or qld cup... basically you get "drafted" to the reserve grade only... it'll be upto the Canterburys or Parramattas to promote them into 1st grade or discard prior to debut... absolutely no point drafting foregin players into your top30, if you can't see them work thru out a season, and pre season and possibly thensome before even getting a shot at nrl level... even then the draft is useless

Take the Tigers now, They plan to develop 17 years olds into FG that suit THEIR style. Last thing they need is a few kids that have been developed to play in a different structure. Who then only do the minimum 2 years at their club and move on

 

[MugaB]

Take the Tigers now, They plan to develop 17 years olds into FG that suit THEIR style. Last thing they need is a few kids that have been developed to play in a different structure. Who then only do the minimum 2 years at their club and move on

Their style? I didn't know "losing" has become a style... i thought they were hunting for cameron munster, to draw more players from elsewhere?... style... please lamback, dont insult me by insinuating that the tigers deserve this draft... or that it will immediately fix the titans, warriors, knights etc...

 

[Iamback]

Their style? I didn't know "losing" has become a style... i thought they were hunting for cameron munster, to draw more players from elsewhere?... style... please lamback, dont insult me by insinuating that the tigers deserve this draft... or that it will immediately fix the titans, warriors, knights etc...

They were never getting him, The useless pricks in their front office just needed to sound important

No I am saying a draft puts them on the back foot, Infact may even keep them at the bottom of the ladder for longer

 

[Tweed Titan]

Yeah i know... souths told him NOT to get drafted... so they can pick him up

Lol you have no idea. You can't just not go into the draft. You have to declare for the draft BEFORE you can enter the league. FMD some of these takes

 

[Tweed Titan]

They were never getting him, The useless pricks in their front office just needed to sound important

No I am saying a draft puts them on the back foot, Infact may even keep them at the bottom of the ladder for longer

Now a draft hurts bad teams. This shit is hilarious!