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NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

Who would you admit as the next team into the NRL?

  • Perth

    Votes: 75 57.7%
  • PNG

    Votes: 8 6.2%
  • Wellington/2nd NZ team

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Adelaide

    Votes: 6 4.6%
  • Darwin

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Fiji

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Central Coast

    Votes: 10 7.7%
  • Central Queensland/4th Queensland team

    Votes: 12 9.2%
  • Samoa

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Other (please specify)/No Expansion

    Votes: 12 9.2%

  • Total voters
    130

Perth Red

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Considering that the new TV deal starts in 2023 and Beattie's comments about new NRL clubs being promoted from the second teir, you would have to summise that this bodes well for a WA Pirates entry in 2023.

Only reason we would be doing it. But then again false promises we are used to and by 2023 Beattie and Greenberg will likely be gone so who knows what the landscape will be by then.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Only reason we would be doing it. But then again false promises we are used to and by 2023 Beattie and Greenberg will likely be gone so who knows what the landscape will be by then.

I've got my fingers crossed for you - I would love to see it. If it happens it would also be good for me as it would almost certainly lead to a second Brisbane club which means we get to see footy here every weekend.

The AFL and ARU will basically have to pack up shop if we can get a second successful NRL club in Brisbane. The Reds and Lions are already struggling with just the Broncos.
 

theo

Juniors
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For a full season format, state competition match played Tuesday, state v state competition match played Wednesday, international competition match played Thursday.

Personally, that’s interest for Saints Tuesday, New South Wales Wednesday, Australia Thursday.

Australia would get the first choice of players, New South Wales next, and the clubs registered in NSW playing in the NSW state competition the remainder.

The question arises how to strengthen clubs and states outside of NSW.

Apart from reducing squad sizes and teams in NSW creating a surplus which can be supplied to other states and clubs, we have to wait for the crop to grow in those areas, and as we know, there's a drought.
 

greenBV4

Bench
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Bears are hoping for a 2-tired comp with 12 in each tier and relegation/promotion to make an NRL return

Exclusive: North Sydney Bears set to awake from NRL hibernation
The North Sydney Bears believe realistically they could be back in the NRL in 2024.
But the fun for their long-suffering fans would begin a year earlier, when the club hopes they will be one of 12 teams competing for promotion under a new two-tier format.

The new TV rights deal will start with the 2023 season, and by then Bears CEO David Perry hopes the NRL and state bodies, in co-operation with the game’s broadcasting partners, will be further aligned and have agreed to a relegation model similar to what the English Super League employs.

Perry — who was appointed to the role in September — envisages two 12 team competitions, with the bottom two sides from the first-grade competition being demoted and replaced by the top two place-getters from the second-grade.

And the Bears are getting their ducks in a row to ensure they’re in the box seat to take advantage if it comes to fruition.

The former Manly Sea Eagles boss believes the two-tier system needs to be discussed in the interest of the game’s survival and growth in this highly competitive sporting landscape.

He stresses the current system is flawed and as a result the game is plateauing.

There are clubs, he continues, that aren’t sustainable in their current state, and the Bears boasting a catchment from the burgeoning North Sydney business district to Lake Munmorah on the Central Coast clearly cover a key market for the game’s growth.

“I think the relegation system would be an important step for the game,” Perry told foxsports.com.au.

“You need 12 and 12, so 24 key markets, and stricter criteria about those clubs around their funding model which means all of the 24 may not fit the top tier criteria, it may only be 16-18 franchises that make the cut, their catchment areas, their population, and their commercial growth.

“Because currently I believe a lot of clubs haven’t been accountable as much as they should have. They’ve been too reliant on funding from the NRL and haven’t been measurable enough.

“There’s no reason why a club that’s existed for 70 or 80 years, or 40 or 50 years, should have the right to have their brand stay lonesome on their own if they’re not performing at the levels required across the board, they’re not meeting the standards and criteria that the game expects or needs to generate the right amount of funding to survive.

“The relegation system for mine, and those people in the game that have looked at it, is clearly an opportunity for the NRL to spread its wings further in key markets and have those second tier clubs feel more engaged because they are critical and they’re the pathway for the game’s future success.”

That’s not to say the Bears won’t strike before that — Perry is a savvy operator and the leadership team doesn’t have the blinkers on.

But he says the two-tier system is the most likely pathway back to the top-flight, because it’s also the most logical next step for the game to re-engage all fans by giving their teams hope of making the top tier competition.

“Imagine knowing the additional support the Bears would get in the second tier competition if there was hope the following season they could be included based on field performance,” he points out.

“It would be great for the game and fans, and would ensure the top tier clubs would not only have to perform on the field but meet certain standards off it.”

The foundation club spent years establishing a presence on the Central Coast and preparing a rebranded bid when talk of expansion heated up under former CEO David Gallop.

When that administration decided the time wasn’t right for expansion they waited for another opportunity.

That came when the NRL put the Gold Coast Titans licence up for sale, but ultimately they didn’t go through with the proposal as it just wasn’t suitable.

Those attempts at readmission don’t seem to be lost causes now.

The Bears brand garnered huge local support on the Central Coast from that first bid, and then they attracted a powerful portfolio of private investors when preparing to take over the Gold Coast franchise.

“We’re not emotionally caught up in this, we love the Bears but we have a business model which is suitable for the game when the time’s right,” he said.

“The Bears already have more than 200,000 avid fans. As Billy Moore once said, there are 200,000-odd customers ready to be re-engaged, what business doesn’t want to re-engage those?

“So we’d be ready now if an opportunity presented itself and we’re just waiting to get that tap, but if that means preparing for the two-tier model then we’ll have a model the NRL won’t be able to ignore.”

While the dialogue continues, the Bears are focused on making sure the on-field performances from the Intrust Super Cup down to the under 16s are worthy of the fans’ support while also being more active in the community to ensure the club is seen.

And they‘ve clearly made important strides already, aligning themselves with the Sydney Roosters and unveiling Jason Taylor as the new head coach with five pathway teams and a junior league base to underpin their massive population catchment.
 

Diesel

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Stuff in NZ is reporting this...

The NRL has put expansion firmly on the agenda, with Wellington one of the cities in the hunt.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said on Thursday he expected to know by this time next year whether it was viable to add two franchises to the 16-team competition.

The NRL will undertake an analysis of whether such a move is feasible and to consider questions including whether the standard of the competition would be watered down, the impact on participation, financial costs and the will of broadcasters Fox Sports and Channel Nine.

"What we'll do is spend 12 months putting a lot of analysis together to consider whether we make a recommendation to the commission about what the future footprint looks like beyond the next broadcast cycle," Greenberg said.

More at...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/109346634/wellington-a-contender-for-team-as-nrl-eyes-expansion



I’m sure PR will whinge but this is as positive as it has been in along time
 

Perth Tiger

Bench
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Stuff in NZ is reporting this...

The NRL has put expansion firmly on the agenda, with Wellington one of the cities in the hunt.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said on Thursday he expected to know by this time next year whether it was viable to add two franchises to the 16-team competition.

The NRL will undertake an analysis of whether such a move is feasible and to consider questions including whether the standard of the competition would be watered down, the impact on participation, financial costs and the will of broadcasters Fox Sports and Channel Nine.

"What we'll do is spend 12 months putting a lot of analysis together to consider whether we make a recommendation to the commission about what the future footprint looks like beyond the next broadcast cycle," Greenberg said.

More at...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/109346634/wellington-a-contender-for-team-as-nrl-eyes-expansion



I’m sure PR will whinge but this is as positive as it has been in along time
It is a positive but we have heard the exact same thing in the last 2 or 3 TV contracts so you'll forgive us if we are a bit sceptical over here in the west
 

Stallion

First Grade
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Stuff in NZ is reporting this...

The NRL has put expansion firmly on the agenda, with Wellington one of the cities in the hunt.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said on Thursday he expected to know by this time next year whether it was viable to add two franchises to the 16-team competition.

The NRL will undertake an analysis of whether such a move is feasible and to consider questions including whether the standard of the competition would be watered down, the impact on participation, financial costs and the will of broadcasters Fox Sports and Channel Nine.

"What we'll do is spend 12 months putting a lot of analysis together to consider whether we make a recommendation to the commission about what the future footprint looks like beyond the next broadcast cycle," Greenberg said.

More at...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/109346634/wellington-a-contender-for-team-as-nrl-eyes-expansion



I’m sure PR will whinge but this is as positive as it has been in along time

It's great that the word "additional" is being used. It's positive not destructive.
 

Diesel

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I think all us fans have been lead on so many times that we won’t believe it until it happens however the wording this time is slightly different.

In a NRL.com article theres a bullet point about relocation and the effect it on local participation numbers and fans that I found interesting. It appears all options are on the table except for Richo’s platinum league report
 

Stallion

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I think all us fans have been lead on so many times that we won’t believe it until it happens however the wording this time is slightly different.

In a NRL.com article theres a bullet point about relocation and the effect it on local participation numbers and fans that I found interesting. It appears all options are on the table except for Richo’s platinum league report

Can you access those points on issues related to relocations and its effect on participation numbers and supporter interest? That information would be welcomed as I have plenty of anecdotal evidence about such problems however the internal statistics would be very handy.
 

Diesel

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Can you access those points on issues related to relocations and its effect on participation numbers and supporter interest? That information would be welcomed as I have plenty of anecdotal evidence about such problems however the internal statistics would be very handy.
This is the article if it’s any help
Australian Rugby League Commission announce footprint study
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/12/13/australian-rugby-league-commission-announce-footprint-study/

Would be interested to know peoples thoughts on relocation and if fans still support the club if it moved, hardcore ones would no doubt
 

Perth Red

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blah blah, reviewing, will produce a report, expansion will be looked on. Groundhog day for some of us!

So they've been talking about expansion since 2011 but there hasn't actually been any work done to plan for it, test its sustainability and value or even consider how? Nice work NRL.
 
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Perth Red

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I’m sure PR will whinge but this is as positive as it has been in along time

Is it more positive than Beattie becoming chair telling the world the game needed to expand or die, then going very quiet on the subject? Or Gallop/Smith/Greenberg telling us that expansion was important and they were looking at it? I'm struggling to gauge which I should be more positive about? Lets see what the latest report says then we can get excited, or not.
 

Perth Red

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Would be interested to know peoples thoughts on relocation and if fans still support the club if it moved, hardcore ones would no doubt

Clubs are independent businesses and there is no way the NRL can make them relocate, and in reality even entice them to do so. The only scenario where relocation becomes an option is a club going bankrupt and handing the license back and the NRL deciding to offer that club the option of moving the brand somewhere. With guaranteed revenue all clubs would be able to borrow to deal with short term revenue shortage so the chances of bankruptcy is miniscule.
 

Diesel

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Is it more positive than Beattie becoming chair telling the world the game needed to expand or die, then going very quiet on the subject? Or Gallop/Smith/Greenberg telling us that expansion was important and they were looking at it? I'm struggling to gauge which I should be more positive about? Lets see what the latest report says then we can get excited, or not.
I was hoping you would bite some more.
Like Perth Tiger said, you’ve head it all before. Hopefully this is the first step in a team in the west by 2023
 

Diesel

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Clubs are independent businesses and there is no way the NRL can make them relocate, and in reality even entice them to do so. The only scenario where relocation becomes an option is a club going bankrupt and handing the license back and the NRL deciding to offer that club the option of moving the brand somewhere. With guaranteed revenue all clubs would be able to borrow to deal with short term revenue shortage so the chances of bankruptcy is miniscule.
I guess would a club rather play NSW Cup or NRL level? No reason why a club can’t have a NSW Cup presence in two states, or juniors in two states. Would be no different to the Storm set up
 

Perth Red

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Its interesting the Aleague effectively put their two expansion licenses up for sale and got $32million for them. I wonder what two NRL licenses are worth?

They effectively will use the money to pay for expansion before the next v deal, pretty smart thinking by Gallop. Where was he when we needed NRL expansion in 2012?
 

Stormwarrior82

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Its interesting the Aleague effectively put their two expansion licenses up for sale and got $32million for them. I wonder what two NRL licenses are worth?

They effectively will use the money to pay for expansion before the next v deal, pretty smart thinking by Gallop. Where was he when we needed NRL expansion in 2012?

Not too sure what to think about this a-league expansion process. Gallop was about to start the same thing in the Nrl before he got punted. After he left they realized nothing had been done in regards to research/ analysis/ development/ costs etc. the $32million is a big number but as we know that wont make the club successful..... ask the $50mil suns and gws.

I haven’t read anything yet other than the $32mil (& potential stadium) going to a-league. Surely the clubs have state and federal gov funding, grassroots funding and development, facilities funding all agreed upon? If not it would put these clubs in a bad negotiation position for when they want all these things.

I wish the Nrl would expand now but I also can realize that throwing money at a expansion club isn’t the answer. There are examples of that everywhere.

In my opinion if done right the Nrl could have fed/state funding, grassroots development and school access, revenue generating facility, facilities grants all before a expansion team starts their bid. A new team could come with a $20mil+ price tag plus the extras that we know will help cement the clubs future into the new area. Not only that they will have the luxury of giving the 9th game to the highest bidder without their fingers tied around 2 binding expansion contracts.

Hopefully having 2 new expansion teams in Perth and brisbane2(Ipswich) bring in a $40mil package each ($20mil license and $20mil funding) plus a $60-$70mil 9th game broadcast deal. That’s what we should be aiming for.
 

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