NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

[The Great Dane]

There's already 10 teams in NSW--- do you really think that there's that many people in Northern Sydney & the Central Coast that currently don't watch NRL but will if the Bears are returned? How big would their potential market be Pony boy?

They'd probably be big for a few years, but once the novelty effect wore off that'd crash back real quickly and you'd probably end up with an active support base on the CC that is a little bit bigger than the Mariners.

So considering the Mariners attendance numbers, maybe an average of 10-12ish thousand on your average year, when times are good it'd probably jump up to 15ish, when times are bad it'd probably drop to 7ish.

But the real problem with the CC isn't so much the potential support base as it is that there's almost a total lack of sponsorship and corporate opportunities on the CC, which means they'd have to eat into the Sydney market to support themselves, and realistically the NRL can't afford that.

 

[Last Week]

NSW already has 10 teams, I can't see there being an 11th one - regardless of the merits a Central Coast team may have.

If there's going to be a team based in Gosfotd, it'll be replacing an existing Sydney club, or a relocation. If the competition is going to expand to 20 teams (big if), Brisbane2, Perth & NZ2 will be three of them.. and the final spot will be either Adelaide or a 3rd team in Brisbane.

Agreed. 20 teams should be about the limit too, with the competition being split into 4 divisions.

4 divisions of 5 teams. Play everyone in the competition once, and everyone in your division a second time. 23 games a year.

Top 2 from each division go to the finals.

The 2 next best placed teams (overall) also make the finals.

A top 10 finals system (basically two top 5s at once) play out.

 

[greenBV4]

Agreed. 20 teams should be about the limit too, with the competition being split into 4 divisions.

4 divisions of 5 teams. Play everyone in the competition once, and everyone in your division a second time. 23 games a year.

Top 2 from each division go to the finals.

The 2 next best placed teams (overall) also make the finals.

A top 10 finals system (basically two top 5s at once) play out.

We already dont have every team playing eachother an even number of times so why not just not have conferences, play everyone once and a random set of 4-6 others twice

That still leaves you with 23-25 games but removes the need to try and split up the competition

What i dont like about your proposed finals system is if one conferences is clearly better than the rest, you end up with better performing teams missing out on finals to a team in a less quality conference who scrapped through

 

[Stallion]

There's already 10 teams in NSW--- do you really think that there's that many people in Northern Sydney & the Central Coast that currently don't watch NRL but will if the Bears are returned? How big would their potential market be Pony boy?

This catchment area deserves to have an option to support a club that can easily harness such support . The Bears have historical and local significance in play despite being axed. There fans are very much still alive. And other nearby clubs like Newcastle and Manly Warringah would and should welcome another local derby. A modern stadium situated on a rail line is in place with a Leagues club right next door to the ground. It's a certain positive for rugby league. The NSW population is only growing into the future. Top flight Rugby league should be part of this growth.

 

[Stallion]

I am/was a Bears fan, and I'll tell you now that you won't gain the vast majority of Bears fans back!

Nor do you want most of us Bears fans back anyway, we're all geriatrics with one foot in the grave. What you want is young people, they are the future.

And the CC can't support an A-league team, so they've f**k all chance of supporting an NRL team!

Lol. Negativity is one of your biggest traits! Rugby league is better than you think! The Bears fans are very much interested in a resurrected Bears. I meet such fans repeatedly even in Newcastle! You are not reflective of the general Bears or rugby league fan. I suspect you have a strong leaning toward another code(union) and that's your thrust within this website.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Lol. Negativity is one of your biggest traits! Rugby league is better than you think! The Bears fans are very much interested in a resurrected Bears. I meet such fans repeatedly even in Newcastle! You are not reflective of the general Bears or rugby league fan. I suspect you have a strong leaning toward another code(union) and that's your thrust within this website.

No you don’t. You just make stuff up. No evidence no facts . Just utter BS.

 

[TheRam]

Just a question. Does anyone know how big Naremburn and Cleland Parks are? Are they big enough for a Parramatta style Stadium and infrastructure to be put on them?

Being so central to Chatswood and right next to the train line makes them the Ideal locations for the NRL to lobby the Gov's to build something there. Piss Brookvale off, it is in no mans land and only caters to a very small portion of the whole wider Northshore.

It is a very myopic way to look at the future if Manly don't or aren't force to look beyond their little peninsular. I've said this on many occasions, Manly need to embrace the whole Northshore and not live in the past alone. Grow their footprint within their own boundaries FFS. Engage everyone, not just the immediate locals.

By putting a Stadium smack bang in the middle of the WHOLE region and on a freakin train line, you are guaranteeing success. Not only would anyone from the North find it easy and convenient to attend games, but most other club supporters would too and make the decision to attend much easier when their team is playing there. I have stopped going to Brookvale oval years ago for two reasons. One, it is a terrible place to go by public transport or even to drive in and park or leave and two, it is a shithole of a place. So why bother? My FOXTEL is a button away and my fridge is only 10 steps away.

If either of these two parks are to small what about Artarmon Reverve which is also in the same vicinity? Any of these would be the ideal location. All I know is this is the type of thinking that will grow the pie. Anything short of that will only rearrange the deckchairs on the you know what. Even if Manly and V'landys did get some funding to spruce up Brookie, it still does not address location, and transport therefore will always be restricted by its own limited surroundings.

Also by not moving to a more northern central location like Chatswood, Manly are still saying to the majority of Sydney's North that they couldn't give a rats about them, they are Manly and that's that. They need to think ahead to the next 100 years and embrace the whole region. They could really be a mega powerful club and rival the likes of Parra, Souths and Saints for popularity if they moved in the right direction.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Just a question. Does anyone know how big Naremburn and Celand Parks are? Are they big enough for a Parramatta style Stadium and infrastructure to be put on them?

Being so central to Chatswood and right next to the train line makes them the Ideal locations for the NRL to lobby the Gov's to build something there. Piss Brookvale off, it is in no mans land and only caters to a very small portion of the whole wider Northshore.

It is a very myopic way to look at the future if Manly don't or aren't force to look beyond their little peninsular. I've said this on many occasions, Manly need to embrace the whole Northshore and not live in the past alone. Grow their footprint within their own boundaries FFS. Engage everyone, not just the immediate locals.

By putting a Stadium smack bang in the middle of the WHOLE region and on a freakin train line, you are guaranteeing success. Not only would anyone from the North find it easy and convenient to attend games, but most other club supporters would too and make the decision to attend much easier when their team is playing there. I have stopped going to Brookvale oval years ago for two reasons. One, it is a terrible place to go by public transport or even to drive in and park or leave and two, it is a shithole of a place. So why bother? My FOXTEL is a button away and my fridge is 10 only steps away.

If either of these two parks are to small what about Artarmon which is also in the same vicinity? Any of these would be the ideal location. All I know is this is the type of thinking that will grow the pie. Anything short of that will only rearrange the deckchairs on the you know what. Even if Manly and V'landys did get some funding to spruce up Brookie, it still does not address location, and transport therefore will always be restricted by its own limited surroundings.

Also by not moving to a more northern central location like Chatswood, Manly are still saying to the majority of Sydney's North that they couldn't give a rats about them, they are Manly and that's that. They need to think ahead to the next 100 years and embrace the whole region. They could really be a mega powerful club and rival the likes of Parra, Souths and Saints for popularity if they moved in the right direction.

Great post mate. Spot on.

 

[Stallion]

Just a question. Does anyone know how big Naremburn and Celand Parks are? Are they big enough for a Parramatta style Stadium and infrastructure to be put on them?

Being so central to Chatswood and right next to the train line makes them the Ideal locations for the NRL to lobby the Gov's to build something there. Piss Brookvale off, it is in no mans land and only caters to a very small portion of the whole wider Northshore.

It is a very myopic way to look at the future if Manly don't or aren't force to look beyond their little peninsular. I've said this on many occasions, Manly need to embrace the whole Northshore and not live in the past alone. Grow their footprint within their own boundaries FFS. Engage everyone, not just the immediate locals.

By putting a Stadium smack bang in the middle of the WHOLE region and on a freakin train line, you are guaranteeing success. Not only would anyone from the North find it easy and convenient to attend games, but most other club supporters would too and make the decision to attend much easier when their team is playing there. I have stopped going to Brookvale oval years ago for two reasons. One, it is a terrible place to go by public transport or even to drive in and park or leave and two, it is a shithole of a place. So why bother? My FOXTEL is a button away and my fridge is only 10 steps away.

If either of these two parks are to small what about Artarmon Reverve which is also in the same vicinity? Any of these would be the ideal location. All I know is this is the type of thinking that will grow the pie. Anything short of that will only rearrange the deckchairs on the you know what. Even if Manly and V'landys did get some funding to spruce up Brookie, it still does not address location, and transport therefore will always be restricted by its own limited surroundings.

Also by not moving to a more northern central location like Chatswood, Manly are still saying to the majority of Sydney's North that they couldn't give a rats about them, they are Manly and that's that. They need to think ahead to the next 100 years and embrace the whole region. They could really be a mega powerful club and rival the likes of Parra, Souths and Saints for popularity if they moved in the right direction.

History proves otherwise. The omission of the Bears is a mistake. BOTH Manly Warringah and the Bears out if the Central Coast can coexist and make the competition relevant in northern Sydney to Gosford. Simple as that.No reconstructions required.And the pain for fans minimized.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

History proves otherwise. The omission of the Bears is a mistake. BOTH Manly Warringah and the Bears out if the Central Coast can coexist and make the competition relevant in northern Sydney to Gosford. Simple as that.No reconstructions required.And the pain for fans minimized.

More utter subjective drivel

 

[TheRam]

History proves otherwise. The omission of the Bears is a mistake. BOTH Manly Warringah and the Bears out if the Central Coast can coexist and make the competition relevant in northern Sydney to Gosford. Simple as that.No reconstructions required.And the pain for fans minimized.

Obvious fear from you in that post mate. You know if what I suggested were ever to be realised that that would turn Manly into the powerhouse club of the WHOLE Northshore and put a spear into all the dribble that you go on about resurrecting the Bears. By the way it will never happen.

 

[TheRam]

Another Suggestion for a new Manly Stadium location could be Chatswood Oval. Anyone know who owns it and would it be possible?

 

[Stallion]

Obvious fear from you in that post mate. You know if what I suggested were ever to be realised that that would turn Manly into the powerhouse club of the WHOLE Northshore and put a spear into all the dribble that you go on about resurrecting the Bears. By the way it will never happen.

It's not dribble. I'm no Bears fan. I'm a rugby league fan that is both realistic and respectful to the past and existing fanbases.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

It's not dribble. I'm no Bears fan. I'm a rugby league fan that is both realistic and respectful to the past and existing fanbases.

Utter rubbish. You are a peanut.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Obvious fear from you in that post mate. You know if what I suggested were ever to be realised that that would turn Manly into the powerhouse club of the WHOLE Northshore and put a spear into all the dribble that you go on about resurrecting the Bears. By the way it will never happen.

The Bears are no chance of an nrl comeback. 0%

 

[TheRam]

The Bears are no chance of an nrl comeback. 0%

The only way I could ever see the Bears moniker ever making a comeback is if they somehow merged with the Burleigh Bears up in QLD and they took over the Gold Coast licence and captured both those former teams market of supporters. Played out of Titans Stadium most games and the occasional game at Central Coast. when playing down here in Sydney.

That could possibly work, but the Titans would need to fall over. But at least this way they have ready supporters to jump on up there.

 

[Stallion]

The only way I could ever see the Bears moniker ever making a comeback is if they somehow merged with the Burleigh Bears up in QLD and they took over the Gold Coast licence and captured both those former teams market of supporters. Played out of Titans Stadium most games and the occasional game at Central Coast. when playing down here in Sydney.

That could possibly work, but the Titans would need to fall over. But at least this way they have ready supporters to jump on up there.

Your "only way" is not the only way. It's pretty simple : Central Coast Bears. Easy . But for some not so.
Mind you the amazing angst being witnessed against a logical move like Central Coast Bears could be ok with maybe an Adelaide Bears? That may work if common sense for northern Sydney can't win through.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

The only way I could ever see the Bears moniker ever making a comeback is if they somehow merged with the Burleigh Bears up in QLD and they took over the Gold Coast licence and captured both those former teams market of supporters. Played out of Titans Stadium most games and the occasional game at Central Coast. when playing down here in Sydney.

That could possibly work, but the Titans would need to fall over. But at least this way they have ready supporters to jump on up there.

Don’t think the titans are going anywhere tbh. Their owners seem 100% commuted. Bears are going nowhere that’s for sure. Except further down hill.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Your "only way" is not the only way. It's pretty simple : Central Coast Bears. Easy . But for some not so.

Woo hoo!

 

[Slater1]

@Stallion--- you didn't answer my question, how many people do you think live in the Central Coast aka. "Bears Country" as you like to call it that currently DON'T watch top flight NRL or support a team that WOULD if the Bears were returned to the NRL in 2020??