NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

[Bojackhorseman]

People in north sydney arent going to follow a club based in Gosford anymore than they will follow the existing club on the peninsula. The region needs a brand new club to represent those 1million people, be that a relaunched Sydney Seaeagles or some new North Sydney entity that repalces Manly that isnt mired and divisive due to old allegiances. Where they would play is the problem as there is no where suitable and cant see the Govt stumping up $250mill for a new North Sydney stadium.

You obviously haven spoken to the shop assistants in Woolworths and coles in north Sydney. Apparently they are screaming for the bears to come back!

 

[Pippen94]

From Roy Masters column David Smith speaking;

"The NRL future strategy must be predicated on growing and strengthening its footprint. He says this should entail the consideration of:

Retention of all existing clubs but, with clubs guaranteed annual grants of 130 per cent of the salary cap, "bailouts" must become only a last resort;

No relocations of existing teams;

Any new team must have the essence of tribal roots either by region or historic grouping;

Any regional expansion must not have any other professional sport clubs in their potential area

Immediate expansion to include another Brisbane team;

Longer term expansion of the NRL to 20 teams with two divisions of 10 teams;

Likely expansion, subject to a detailed review, must ensure growth in broadcast and club viability. The priority, in order, would be another team in NZ, a third team in Brisbane, another team in Melbourne and potentially a team in PNG."

Looks like Redcliffe would be preferred under that criteria.

 

[Perth Red]

From Roy Masters column David Smith speaking;

"The NRL future strategy must be predicated on growing and strengthening its footprint. He says this should entail the consideration of:

Retention of all existing clubs but, with clubs guaranteed annual grants of 130 per cent of the salary cap, "bailouts" must become only a last resort;

No relocations of existing teams;

Any new team must have the essence of tribal roots either by region or historic grouping;

Any regional expansion must not have any other professional sport clubs in their potential area

Immediate expansion to include another Brisbane team;

Longer term expansion of the NRL to 20 teams with two divisions of 10 teams;

Likely expansion, subject to a detailed review, must ensure growth in broadcast and club viability. The priority, in order, would be another team in NZ, a third team in Brisbane, another team in Melbourne and potentially a team in PNG."

Looks like Redcliffe would be preferred under that criteria.

Colin Smith not Dave Smith . Funny he says AFL is likely to be the number one national sport, then goes on to say the game needs to focus on not changing much. He doesn't even mention Perth in his expansion analysis which kind of throws his credibility out of the window for the rest of his commentary.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

PNG and a second Melbourne team before Perth and Adelaide is crazy. If a second Victorian team comes along it would have to be near western united’s stadium.

 

[Pippen94]

Colin Smith not Dave Smith . Funny he says AFL is likely to be the number one national sport, then goes on to say the game needs to focus on not changing much. He doesn't even mention Perth in his expansion analysis which kind of throws his credibility out of the window for the rest of his commentary.

I see suspect Perth team would come in with 2nd Brisbane.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

I see suspect Perth team would come in with 2nd Brisbane.

Perth is a no brainer. Pity our administrators have no brains.

 

[Pippen94]

PNG and a second Melbourne team before Perth and Adelaide is crazy. If a second Victorian team comes along it would have to be near western united’s stadium.

Bigger potential TV audience would increasing broadcasting deal. Third Brisbane team is interesting.

 

[Stallion]

There's 1.9 million people in Perth and they don't have a team; there's 1.3 million people in Adelaide and they don't have a team.

Why SHOULD there be a SECOND team in Northern Sydney when they already have ONE and can barely fill Brookvale.

You keep quoting overall population numbers-- but what I'm interested in is the figures of people who DON'T currently watch or attend NRL games from those areas but WOULD if the Bears were returned-- I'm sure it's MUCH less than the numbers you are sprouting.

? You still don't get it do you! ? What a club like the Central Coast Bears does is bring more money to this competition without risk. If you don't think existing Bears fans as well as Central Coast people will not shine to a Central Coast Bears team playing out of a great stadium with easy travel access and next to a Leagues club is not a moneymaking franchise, then nothing will make sense to you! Instead of a certainty! You choose a riskier option first? And might I stress that their is no issue with having a West Coast Pirates and a Brisbane2. This competition should be working toward a twenty team.comp. Consolidation and expansion can occur. You think it can't! Others do.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

? You still don't get it do you! ? What a club like the Central Coast Bears does is bring more money to this competition without risk. If you don't think existing Bears fans as well as Central Coast people will not shine to a Central Coast Bears team playing out of a great stadium with easy travel access and next to a Leagues club is not a moneymaking franchise, then nothing will make sense to you! Instead of a certainty! You choose a riskier option first? And might I stress that their is no issue with having a West Coast Pirates and a Brisbane2. This competition should be working toward a twenty team.comp. Consolidation and expansion can occur. You think it can't! Others do.

You’ve written this same drivel literally hundreds of times. The bears are gone. They ain’t coming back. No wonder so many have blocked you.

 

[The Great Dane]

? You still don't get it do you! ? What a club like the Central Coast Bears does is bring more money to this competition without risk. If you don't think existing Bears fans as well as Central Coast people will not shine to a Central Coast Bears team playing out of a great stadium with easy travel access and next to a Leagues club is not a moneymaking franchise, then nothing will make sense to you! Instead of a certainty! You choose a riskier option first? And might I stress that their is no issue with having a West Coast Pirates and a Brisbane2. This competition should be working toward a twenty team.comp. Consolidation and expansion can occur. You think it can't! Others do.

Yeah no risk in a CC club at all, just look how good those Mariners are going!

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Yeah no risk in a CC club at all, just look how good those Mariners are going!

They’re all bears supporters mate lol!

 

[Stallion]

Yeah no risk in a CC club at all, just look how good those Mariners are going!

Different sport and there is a massive regain of Bears fans (with you think don't exist ). But don't let common sense get Inn the of your ignorance. Not only you insult the sport of rugby league? You have ignored Bears fans as well. Pathetic! Great work rah rah boy!

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Different sport and there is a massive regain of Bears fans (with you think don't exist ). But don't let common sense get Inn the of your ignorance. Not only you insult the sport of rugby league? You have ignored Bears fans as well. Pathetic! Great work rah rah boy!

More utter drivel

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Colin Smith not Dave Smith . Funny he says AFL is likely to be the number one national sport, then goes on to say the game needs to focus on not changing much. He doesn't even mention Perth in his expansion analysis which kind of throws his credibility out of the window for the rest of his commentary.

Just read that article. Colin Smith seems to be a bit of a dill. PNG? Second Melbourne team? Third Brisbane team? Was he p!ssed?

 

[The Great Dane]

Lol. Negativity is one of your biggest traits! Rugby league is better than you think! The Bears fans are very much interested in a resurrected Bears. I meet such fans repeatedly even in Newcastle! You are not reflective of the general Bears or rugby league fan.

Since we are wasting every bodies time with anecdotes, I know/knew somewhere between 50-100 Bears fans well enough to know not only how they reacted to the Bears dying (which wasn't as straight forward as everybody likes to make out), but how they would react to them being resurrected.

Of that group that I know/knew maybe 25-30 (roughly half) could be described as "very much interested in a resurrected Bears", and from my general experience I'd say that they are definitely "reflective" of the group that are behind the Bears coming back.

The problem with that group of 25ish people is that they are very idealistic when it comes to footy and the Bears, they are totally driven by a nostalgia driven fantasy of what the Bears where, and are totally delusional about the realities of the modern NRL is like and what a Bears would have to become to survive in it.

For example, of that group of 25ish people the vast majority wouldn't accept a new Bears club that was "relocated" to the CC or anywhere else.
Unless the club is based in NS and playing the vast majority of it's games at NS oval they won't be interested (and they've told me that themselves, I might share some of those conversations to you later), which isn't really any different to how most fans react to the idea of their club being relocated. I imagine that if the Roosters relocated you'd "give up the game" or whatever, why you expect Bears fans to be any different I don't know.

They are also totally delusional about how things have changed since the Bears died and what the realities of the modern competition are, for example most would think the modern costs of supporting an NRL club are extortionate, and would refuse to support the club unless they could get a season ticket to sit on the hill for under $100 like back in the 90s.

I suspect you have a strong leaning toward another code(union) and that's your thrust within this website.

I have "a strong leaning towards" lots of sports, however I pretty much gave up on following RU in the mid 00s, and wasn't a strong supporter for quite a while before then as well.

But if you want to be terrified of a sport that is dying a slow death in this country, and want to paint me as an avatar of it's evil or whatever, then go right ahead.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Since we are wasting every bodies time with anecdotes, I know/knew somewhere between 50-100 Bears fans well enough to know not only how they reacted to the Bears dying (which wasn't as straight forward as everybody likes to make out), but how they would react to them being resurrected.

Of that group that I know/knew maybe 25-30 (roughly half) could be described as "very much interested in a resurrected Bears", and from my general experience I'd say that they are definitely "reflective" of the group that are behind the Bears coming back.

The problem with that group of 25ish people is that they are very idealistic when it comes to footy and the Bears, they are totally driven by a nostalgia driven fantasy of what the Bears where, and are totally delusional about the realities of the modern NRL is like and what a Bears would have to become to survive in it.

For example, of that group of 25ish people the vast majority wouldn't accept a new Bears club that was "relocated" to the CC or anywhere else.
Unless the club is based in NS and playing the vast majority of it's games at NS oval they won't be interested (and they've told me that themselves, I might share some of those conversations to you later), which isn't really any different to how most fans react to the idea of their club being relocated. I imagine that if the Roosters relocated you'd "give up the game" or whatever, why you expect Bears fans to be any different I don't know.

They are also totally delusional about how things have changed since the Bears died and what the realities of the modern competition are, for example most would think the modern costs of supporting an NRL club are extortionate, and would refuse to support the club unless they could get a season ticket to sit on the hill for under $100 like back in the 90s.



I have "a strong leaning towards" lots of sports, however I pretty much gave up on following RU in the mid 00s, and wasn't a strong supporter for quite a while before then as well.

But if you want to be terrified of a sport that is dying a slow death in this country, and want to paint me as an avatar of it's evil or whatever, then go right ahead.

Regarding union I’m the same. Just don’t really care anymore. As for the bears your analysis makes a lot of sense. Their biggest problem is the club itself hasn’t adapted to it’s new world like Newtown has. They seem very bitter to me. Newtown have grasped reality and remodelled themselves very successfully. The bears are hanging on to false hope. It’s all a bit sad but it doesn’t need to be if they follow the blue bags model.

 

[Stallion]

Since we are wasting every bodies time with anecdotes, I know/knew somewhere between 50-100 Bears fans well enough to know not only how they reacted to the Bears dying (which wasn't as straight forward as everybody likes to make out), but how they would react to them being resurrected.

Of that group that I know/knew maybe 25-30 (roughly half) could be described as "very much interested in a resurrected Bears", and from my general experience I'd say that they are definitely "reflective" of the group that are behind the Bears coming back.

The problem with that group of 25ish people is that they are very idealistic when it comes to footy and the Bears, they are totally driven by a nostalgia driven fantasy of what the Bears where, and are totally delusional about the realities of the modern NRL is like and what a Bears would have to become to survive in it.

For example, of that group of 25ish people the vast majority wouldn't accept a new Bears club that was "relocated" to the CC or anywhere else.
Unless the club is based in NS and playing the vast majority of it's games at NS oval they won't be interested (and they've told me that themselves, I might share some of those conversations to you later), which isn't really any different to how most fans react to the idea of their club being relocated. I imagine that if the Roosters relocated you'd "give up the game" or whatever, why you expect Bears fans to be any different I don't know.

They are also totally delusional about how things have changed since the Bears died and what the realities of the modern competition are, for example most would think the modern costs of supporting an NRL club are extortionate, and would refuse to support the club unless they could get a season ticket to sit on the hill for under $100 like back in the 90s.



I have "a strong leaning towards" lots of sports, however I pretty much gave up on following RU in the mid 00s, and wasn't a strong supporter for quite a while before then as well.

But if you want to be terrified of a sport that is dying a slow death in this country, and want to paint me as an avatar of it's evil or whatever, then go right ahead.

A key assumption of yours is very doubtful . Every Bears fan I have met over the past decade or so has indicated a support for a Central Coast Bears. In fact I've met younger people from Gosford that were part of the Central Coast Bears membership drive. They tell me they were gathering great interest and momentum despite being killed off by a 'sitting on its hands' administration of the NRL. You can try to debunk the Bears popularity as much as you like. They have support and it would very successful. It's all there waiting to make money but procrastination and lack of strategic thinking is dominating this rugby league currently. The Bears fans would and do openly welcome some place in the sun of the top flight competition. You are not reflecting the reality of what a Bears fan wants. They want to see a Bears team in black and red playing in the NRL. You won't accept this. Others do.
I'm hoping a vibrant new ARLC chairman will have such a win/win scenario a reality for the next TV deal.Throw in Brisbane2 & it's a win/ win for the competition and code. From this the NRL aims toward WA and another ambitious area as time goes on.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

A key assumption of yours is very doubtful . Every Bears fan I have met over the past decade or so has indicated a support for a Central Coast Bears. In fact I've met younger people from Gosford that were part of the Central Coast Bears membership drive. They tell me they were gathering great interest and momentum despite being killed off by a sithing on its hands administration of the NRL. You can try to debunk the Bears popularity as couch as you like. They have support and it would very successful. It's all there waiting to make money but procrastination and lack of strategic thinking is dominating this rugby league currently . I'm hoping a vibrant new ARLC chairman will have such a win/win scenario a reality for the next TV deal.Throw in Brisbane2 & it's a win/ win for the competition and code. From this simple toward WA and another ambitious area as time goes on.

A teacher? Seriously?

 

[The Great Dane]

Regarding union I’m the same. Just don’t really care anymore. As for the bears your analysis makes a lot of sense. Their biggest problem is the club itself hasn’t adapted to it’s new world like Newtown has. They seem very bitter to me. Newtown have grasped reality and remodelled themselves very successfully. The bears are hanging on to false hope. It’s all a bit sad but it doesn’t need to be if they follow the blue bags model.

If the NRL was really interested in "getting the Bears support back" then the best thing they could do is get all of the NSW cup games broadcast live and promote the hell out of the fact that they are being broadcast.

That would make supporting the Bears (and other NSW cup teams) convenient and easy like supporting an NRL team, and it'd give the Bears a massive amount of exposure that they don't currently have.

 

[Stallion]

If the NRL was really interested in "getting the Bears support back" then the best thing they could do is get all of the NSW cup games broadcast live and promote the hell out of the fact that they are being broadcast.

That would make supporting the Bears (and other NSW cup teams) convenient and easy like supporting an NRL team, and it'd give the Bears a massive amount of exposure that they don't currently have.

Nope. Have you watched a NSW Cup game! ? Friends and relatives turn up. The NRL is a different and elite beast. You really don't have a feel for the code you are so recklessly commenting on. Commonsense leans to the Central Coast Bears. Apathy and ignorance is to not see this license to.make money and strengthen the code.