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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

adamkungl

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The more that comes out the more I support the clubs on this.

The NRLs corporate wastage and complete lack of direction is clear to see even before this turmoil.

Much of what they do is focused on image more than substance, their attitude to everything from refereeing to player punishments to community engagement - I dare say this trend would continue were the NRL to be directly responsible for player development rather than the clubs.

They spent 6 months looking for the CEO only to hire the bloke that was there the whole time who had done, to a lot of fans view, a very poor job in his previous role as head of football.

They hired Shane Richardson to do a complete review of the game's future, talked big game about expansion and internationals. He came out with a dud plan focused on reserve grade that everyone with any sense hated. They dumped him shortly after. Then revived many of his ideas a year later - what we're seeing now with the NYC. Expansion has been talked up and dumped time and time again.

Their running costs are unjustifiably large compared to the clubs who actually employ superstars to play the game.

The people in charge have little understanding of the ACTUAL GAME of Rugby League - average businessmen and corporate hacks making decisions about how the onfield game should be played and ruled. Based, again, on image over substance.

Their relationship with the media is toxic and actively harms the game and pushes away fans.

They have no interest in growing crowds and ignore the obvious reasons for their stagnation, deeming TV dollars to be the single most important issue.

The money has increased but the way it's being used is as poor as ever, if not worse. At least when it was run on the smell of an oily rag the administration couldn't afford to piss it up against the wall.


Time the clubs were given the respect and voice they deserve. They shouldn't control the game but they should have a say in it's direction. The NRLs job is to lead, and their leadership is failing.
 

Pedge1971

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There's a lot to sort through here.

I feel like funding disagreements are expected and could be resolved if both sides were willing to compromise, but the spanner in the works is the power plays the clubs are trying to make.

Obviously they feel like they should have more of a say on the commission itself. In their view, the 'Independent' in Independent Commission means from News/outside corporate interests, not independent from the game itself.

I would lean towards agreeing with them that they should have some say on the commission. The core of my view is the clubs are more important to the game than the NRL admin are. In order of importance
1) The sport itself. Without this there is nothing, obviously.
2) The clubs and players. They bring in the fans and money.
3) The administration. It is their job to ensure 1 and 2 are healthy.

As for funding, the best we have to go on is the NRLs 2015 annual report.
They had an $18 mil loss and are projecting losses for 2 more years despite record revenue.

I can't say if he speaks for the clubs position as a whole, but Gould claims they are not seeking a larger slice of the pie but are alarmed at the administrative wastage that has allowed the NRL to suffer losses despite making more money than ever. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that a reason for this is due to Newcastle, Gold Coast, St George and Wests all requiring unexpected financial assistance from the NRL. The clubs are unwilling to invest in an insurance fund.

The basic funding breakdown is:
204mil broadcast revenue
129mil non-broadcast revenue
334mil total
-128mil NRL spending
=206mil available for Clubs, States, Development (grassroots)
-162mil clubs
-28mil states
-27mil development/grassroots
The money given out to clubs, states, and grassroots in 2015 exceeded the available revenue by $12mil.
Taking into account the Knights Titans and Affiliated states ownerships this becomes $18mil.
Look up the annual report for the finer details of it if you're interested.


So the picture the NRL seems to be painting by the way it structures this report is that the game should be funded by the broadcast revenue, and the administration funded by the non-broadcast revenue. This way, the losses can be put down to NRL giving the game more than their fair share.
Obviously the clubs disagree with this split, and see the NRL as wasting a significant chunk of the $128mil they spent in administrative costs.
The split is fairly arbitrary to me, I'm no expert obviously but you could just as easily argue that 'Development' should come under the NRLs expenditure rather than being grouped with the clubs funding.
Then you can point to something like the bunker as a colossal waste of money.


Breaking down further, the clubs receive 162mil (126 participation grant 36 'other' ???) of 334mil total revenue. (48%). Not sure what 'other' covers but it is a significant chunk which rose by $11mil from 2014-15.

The participation grant is $7.8mil each, which is
2.3% of the total revenue
119% of the salary cap ($6.55mil)

The NRL spends almost as much on itself ($128 mil) as it gives all 16 clubs combined.
The "Administration costs" alone are $23mil which is in the range of what it costs to run an NRL team.


What conclusions can be drawn from any of this?
For everyone criticising the clubs, I personally would find it difficult to say they are not more deserving of a large chunk of the money than the NRL administration.
The clubs position, I think, is that money to fund them and the grassroots should come at the cost of the NRLs 'slice', I do not believe they want to take money away from grassroots, rather the opposite.

For 130% of salary cap the total participation grant would increase by$20-30mil a year depending on the cap.
The broadcast revenue is set to be somewhere in the range of 360mil a year.
Allocating to the clubs $160mil participation grant would leave 200mil.
If the states and grassroots received double what they do now that would still leave around 90mil for the NRL to piss away, NOT INCLUDING the growing non-broadcast revenue which currently stands at $129mil.

Are the NRL planning to spend close to $100mil MORE than their current running costs of $128 mil?? If this is the case then I fully support the clubs position.
Blaming 'poor performing clubs' is not sensible. If they received what they ask, and given the above I'm not sure how you can say they shouldn't, they wouldn't be poorly performing.

Yep. The numbers say it all and say nothing. Until you get transparency around the 129m (nrl), 28m (states) and 27m (devt/grassroots) it will be difficult to understand what has happened.

But without this it would seem there is massive duplication in some areas between nrl, clubs and states.

Example, it is common knowledge a lot of the clubs have their own talent identification strategy in place, actively fund academies and sone country areas and spend a lot on grassroots programmes. Also well documented that when ex nrl employee and now Rabbits CEO Richo was to define the grassroots strategy, most of the club funded devt officers were never engaged and thought the plan was daft. Clearly money well spent!

Also, what does the 20 odd million funds to the states go towards if grassroots are funded separately? Origin and a few well paid admin guys in blue and maroon blazers? FFS!

The cost at NRL hq looks excessive but not surprised given the so called integrity commision and the bunker.

That said I cannot help but feel the clubs have an agenda and it has no correlation to what is best for the game.

An independent commision should be just that. Transparent, objective, EFFECTIVE and focused on the best interests of the game.

With limited knowledge I think rugby league supporters have been let down by both the commision and club CEOs. If we were given a clear understanding of the exact nature of the spend on the 3 line items above, we would all have an answer and a clear action to fix this f**k up.
 

adamkungl

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My feeling is the NRL comes out of this with far more need to justify their spending than the clubs do.

The clubs currently get a touch more than they need just to pay their players.
The NRL admin is spending well in excess of $100mil a year!

And people say the clubs cant be trusted with money.
 

Pedge1971

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Yep. The 3 line items I refer to are not owned by the clubs. But I think the clubs are spending and duplicating for what they feel is not being given focus by the NRL.
 

Perth Red

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Disagree, the clubs should have a say in the key things that influence the success or failure of the clubs, the game is much bigger than 16 NRL clubs though and needs o e governing body to do the right thing by the whole game. Clubs are first and foremost 16 businesses wanting what's best for themselves.
 

Perth Red

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My feeling is the NRL comes out of this with far more need to justify their spending than the clubs do.

The clubs currently get a touch more than they need just to pay their players.
The NRL admin is spending well in excess of $100mil a year!

And people say the clubs cant be trusted with money.

Not really, this year they got $7.8mill plus $1.5mill. Salary cap is around $6.3mill, that is a fair bit more than a "touch". Of course that $6.3 doesn't account for brown paper bags!

Despite a $3mill gap clubs still lost shed Loads of money. How big a gap do you think they need not to run in the red??
 

Danish

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Not really, this year they got $7.8mill plus $1.5mill. Salary cap is around $6.3mill, that is a fair bit more than a "touch". Of course that $6.3 doesn't account for brown paper bags!

Despite a $3mill gap clubs still lost shed Loads of money. How big a gap do you think they need not to run in the red??


You'd struggle mightily to find any business of 50+ employees that can cover their running costs for $3 mill. It's only $250k a month FFS. I can't imagine Easts for example are paying much less than $100k per month to rent out their facilities at he SCG trust, and our coaching staff would likely set us back about $1 mill (with the lion's share going to Robbo).

Add in travel costs for 40 people making a dozen trips around the country each year and it gets sucked up pretty quick
 
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BuffaloRules

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Not really, this year they got $7.8mill plus $1.5mill. Salary cap is around $6.3mill, that is a fair bit more than a "touch". Of course that $6.3 doesn't account for brown paper bags!

Despite a $3mill gap clubs still lost shed Loads of money. How big a gap do you think they need not to run in the red??

These spending numbers are still way less than what AFL clubs are spending which you are always comparing the NRL with...

Yes the AFL get bigger crowds, but decisions made or agreed to by the NRL admin with scheduling of games don't make it easier for the NRL clubs to maximise this area..

It's extremely rich for the NRL to burden the clubs with Friday 6pm games and Thursday night games to maximise TV revenue and then say to the clubs sorry we still can't pay you what we promised because we just realised we need to maintain a website...
 

Pedge1971

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Disagree, the clubs should have a say in the key things that influence the success or failure of the clubs, the game is much bigger than 16 NRL clubs though and needs o e governing body to do the right thing by the whole game. Clubs are first and foremost 16 businesses wanting what's best for themselves.


So what the f**k is the NRL spending all that money on? It doesnt seem to stack up for mine.....
 
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You'd struggle mightily to find any business of 50+ employees that can cover their running costs for $3 mill. It's only $250k a month FFS. I can't imagine Easts for example are paying much less than $100k per month to rent out their facilities at he SCG trust, and our coaching staff would likely set us back about $1 mill (with the lion's share going to Robbo).

Add in travel costs for 40 people making a dozen trips around the country each year and it gets sucked up pretty quick

That's why clubs need to make money from memberships, ticket sales, merchandise, sponsorships, etc.
 

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Be interesting to know if the TV contract stipulates which clubs are in the comp or just that an 8 game round will be televised? NRL only would need to get the best supported 12 on board and bring in 4 new clubs in expansion regions and arguably the comp would be better for TV anyways.

It's that simple is it?

4 new clubs out of thin air, problem solved.
 

Emu01

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The more that comes out the more I support the clubs on this.

The NRLs corporate wastage and complete lack of direction is clear to see even before this turmoil.

Much of what they do is focused on image more than substance, their attitude to everything from refereeing to player punishments to community engagement - I dare say this trend would continue were the NRL to be directly responsible for player development rather than the clubs.

They spent 6 months looking for the CEO only to hire the bloke that was there the whole time who had done, to a lot of fans view, a very poor job in his previous role as head of football.

They hired Shane Richardson to do a complete review of the game's future, talked big game about expansion and internationals. He came out with a dud plan focused on reserve grade that everyone with any sense hated. They dumped him shortly after. Then revived many of his ideas a year later - what we're seeing now with the NYC. Expansion has been talked up and dumped time and time again.

Their running costs are unjustifiably large compared to the clubs who actually employ superstars to play the game.

The people in charge have little understanding of the ACTUAL GAME of Rugby League - average businessmen and corporate hacks making decisions about how the onfield game should be played and ruled. Based, again, on image over substance.

Their relationship with the media is toxic and actively harms the game and pushes away fans.

They have no interest in growing crowds and ignore the obvious reasons for their stagnation, deeming TV dollars to be the single most important issue.

The money has increased but the way it's being used is as poor as ever, if not worse. At least when it was run on the smell of an oily rag the administration couldn't afford to piss it up against the wall.


Time the clubs were given the respect and voice they deserve. They shouldn't control the game but they should have a say in it's direction. The NRLs job is to lead, and their leadership is failing.
Exactly Adamkungl! You nailed it. I ring and email the NRL with ideas and suggestions from time to time, mainly to do with trying to increase crowd numbers or increase school participation and time and time again they blame the clubs and say to me "it's the clubs responsibility to that" or "we don't control were the clubs play"

The NRL want to run the game but when it suits them they back away and blame the clubs.. I'm on the clubs side here.

Grant and Greenburg are so far out of their depth it's not funny..

Bring back John Quale at least he had some vision and direction.

Not these muppets in control now. Too scared to make strong decisions and then blame the clubs for everything.. F---k off now Grant!
 

siv

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No Gus lost me with this statement


The ARLC was formed to give rugby league "independence" from media ownership and to administer the NRL competition on behalf of the NRL clubs.

I disagree - The ARLC was formed to run the game of RL in Australia and appointed the NRL to administer the NRL competition

There are so many OTHER competitions in Australia not to mention representative teams also

There are a few basic financials numbers that need analysis

But we have a few issues on multiple fronts
- clubs lobbing for as much cash as they can get
- what are the real admin costs
- what strategic plans are proposed

But one thing I am against is seeing NRL money prop up clubs who have financial issues. Clubs need to understand basic accounting. You can't spend more than you earn. And the RLPA can't impose rules like you must spend all of your salary cap

Its a pity the NRL can't impose relegation penalties against clubs who have poor finacial management. eg like Bradford being penalused 12 comp points and pushed into 3rd division
 

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