WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

But there was the issue of the travel costs though? The ARL wasn’t going to pay them… they didn’t need to admit 4 teams at once and should have just slow played it with 2 teams ( not Perth in 1995)

They knew about the travel costs before hand and had budgeted for them

Now he’s saying it’s cause they added two more teams whose travel costs would be 40k

The real reason was greed which is fine enough they saw news ltd cash and jumped at it

The reds board was hugely split about the move to super league too

Shame because back then W.A. was the “third” rugby league state and the game went pear shaped after

 

[BuffaloRules]

They knew about the travel costs before hand and had budgeted for them

Now he’s saying it’s cause they added two more teams whose travel costs would be 40k

The real reason was greed which is fine enough they saw news ltd cash and jumped at it

The reds board was hugely split about the move to super league too

Shame because back then W.A. was the “third” rugby league state and the game went pear shaped after

The travel costs at the time were prohibitive …that’s why the ARL didn’t want to pay it …

If Super League never happened…would Perth have been able to carry that burden ( even though they volunteered to do so) ? We’ll never know …but as they say in that podcast …the ARL should have thought longer about how those additional costs would affect Perth rather than just agreeing to admit them and wiping their hands of it

 

[SirPies&Beers]

117 year anniversary of Bears today.

 

[wb2027]

If you're spending $400mill for the clubs benefit you get a say lol.

But it's not $400m solely for the club's benefit though is it?
It's not like a sponsor director situation.

 

[wb2027]

THE RLD

www.theleaguedigest.com

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this chapter has good summary at how poor reds were run at the time and lessons to be learnt for future endeavors in west aussie at around 22 mins in.

this is a great poddy never heards of it this week. there's stuff spoken on this poddy that no one ever really touches on and perthwrongs has claimed opposite. maybe the coffee dates with old reds geriatrics didn't highlight the truths. who knows.

plenty other chapters talking about many topics. if ya like ya league history then give it a listen.

Good listen.
That part about deserting half the juniors midway through the season is rough. No reason to believe anything similar would repeat though.

 

[Pippen94]

You said the arl imposed travel costs on the new teams and they weren’t told beforehand and they would’ve gone broke because of this

Then like a month ago you said it was as because they added two extras teams and the extra costs of travel and accomodation for two extra teams (40k ? Lol) would send them broke

Both reasons are bs

The podcast cited above says the reds were very poorly managed

Perth consortium would've been repeating mistakes of the past. Bears will only happen out west if local government opens wallet. Easts tigers always waiting if they don't.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Perth consortium would've been repeating mistakes of the past. Bears will only happen out west if local government opens wallet. Easts tigers always waiting if they don't.

Not the Okinawa Ostriches?
Japan is ripe for the picking, it will cause a devastating blow to sumo.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Not the Okinawa Ostriches?
Japan is ripe for the picking, it will cause a devastating blow to sumo.

alwaysloser, needs the attention. cant go an hour without. lives for this forum. alwaysloser, the resident forum loser.

 

[Perth Red]

You said the arl imposed travel costs on the new teams and they weren’t told beforehand and they would’ve gone broke because of this

Then like a month ago you said it was as because they added two extras teams and the extra costs of travel and accomodation for two extra teams (40k ? Lol) would send them broke

Both reasons are bs

The podcast cited above says the reds were very poorly managed

No I never, stop making sht up!
Everyone knows the travel costs were agreed in 1992 when the clubs were given licenses. What wasnt known was the ARL was going to add an side and travel costs on top of the original agreement. It wasnt about adding 2 extra teams, it was about adding an extra side for the clubs to run.

Look at what the Reds did, it was pretty amazing in terms of building for the future. Linking with Sth Africa, bringing across a stack of talented young players from East coast and placing them with WARL clubs, funding WARL clubs directly so they could improve development pathways at a local level, choosing an iconic brand, positive marketing that got 26k to the WACA for game 1, building a solid player roster etc etc

Sure they made mistakes, what new club doesnt, but from what Ive seen and heard from people involved at that time they did a pretty good start up job. Shame SL came along and we never got to see just where it might have gone. Might have been a financial disaster and folded anyways, or might have kept building and now be a very established club producing plenty of players. By the time year 3 came along News ltd were running the club and doing sht things. Cant blame the 92-96 board for that.

Not like they were orphans either, NQ went bust and had to be bailed out, Warriors went bust and had to be taken over and Crushers, like Reds, never got chance to show what they could have been.

But hey ho all in the past now.

 

[Perth Red]

But it's not $400m solely for the club's benefit though is it?
It's not like a sponsor director situation.

Its a spend the WA govt wouldnt be making if it wasnt for an NRL club, so yes its a spend solely linked to the issuing of an NRL license to Perth.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Here is a post from 2009 from @Perth Red so you can see how the story has evolved

Post in thread 'Criticisms of the Arko and Quayle leadership'
https://forums.leagueunlimited.com/...rko-and-quayle-leadership.349466/post-6265238

 

[Wb1234]

“the weight around the neck of the Reds having to pay their own travel and accomodation costs and all visiting teams as well, at a time when interstate flights to Perth were seriously expensive, meant the club was struggling from day one. The decision to sign with SL was due to the club being near financial death and SL offered 5 times the money that the ARL was offering“

lol. Caught out lieing again

So the club was almost sent broke after playing four weeks in the new arl competition

 

[SirPies&Beers]

perthwrongs, ding dong!

 

[BuffaloRules]

“the weight around the neck of the Reds having to pay their own travel and accomodation costs and all visiting teams as well, at a time when interstate flights to Perth were seriously expensive, meant the club was struggling from day one. The decision to sign with SL was due to the club being near financial death and SL offered 5 times the money that the ARL was offering“

lol. Caught out lieing again

So the club was almost sent broke after playing four weeks in the new arl competition

They agreed to jump ship to Super League months before they played their first game..so they didn’t really have a chance to be suffering a “financial death” at that time …

I actually like the “meeting with the ex board member “ touch which still often gets a run these days … normally presented as something that has happened relatively recently …

 

[AlwaysGreen]

 

[SirPies&Beers]

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alwaysloser, no one is forcing ya to be in this thread but ya keep coming anyways because ya obsessed with posters and thats because

 

[Perth Red]

Here is a post from 2009 from @Perth Red so you can see how the story has evolved

Post in thread 'Criticisms of the Arko and Quayle leadership'
https://forums.leagueunlimited.com/...rko-and-quayle-leadership.349466/post-6265238

Nothing I said there contradicts with what Im saying now. The main reason they were in financial strife from day 1 was the travel costs, add in the extra travel costs that werent planned for and hey ho, there's a key reason for going to SL.

 

[Perth Red]

“the weight around the neck of the Reds having to pay their own travel and accomodation costs and all visiting teams as well, at a time when interstate flights to Perth were seriously expensive, meant the club was struggling from day one. The decision to sign with SL was due to the club being near financial death and SL offered 5 times the money that the ARL was offering“

lol. Caught out lieing again

So the club was almost sent broke after playing four weeks in the new arl competition

lol I am saying now what I said then. The travel costs, especially the extra unbudgeted one, put them in a precarious position from day 1. It drove them into SL arms. Dumb ARL.
Its not news to anyone, its well known facts. We've known it since it happened.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Nothing I said there contradicts with what Im saying now. The main reason they were in financial strife from day 1 was the travel costs, add in the extra travel costs that werent planned for and hey ho, there's a key reason for going to SL.

Im just saying your story has evolved over time … you used to say that ALL travel costs were imposed upon them by he ARL ( not that they agreed to pay them themselves) and that the only reason they moved to Super League was because they were broke … although they had agreed to join SL before they had played their first game …how could they be broke already from paying travel costs ?

I think it’s all rather unnecessary excuse making to try to explaIn away their previous failure back in 1995 … when about half the other teams failed as well during the biggest upheaval the game has seen ..: they were never going to make it through to the other side regardless of their financial and on field performace …

 

[Wb1234]

lol I am saying now what I said then. The travel costs, especially the extra unbudgeted one, put them in a precarious position from day 1. It drove them into SL arms. Dumb ARL.
Its not news to anyone, its well known facts. We've known it since it happened.

Look make up your mind which lie you want to run with and stick to it

First you said the reds had agreed to and budgeted for the travel costs now you are saying they were the cause of the club becoming so broke that in four weeks of playing in the nrl they had to run to News Ltd to rescue them ):