NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[taipan]

how are Perth going?

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[taipan]

how are Perth going?

The new Perth chairman P.R has sent a scathing letter to the other 16 chairmen,about how poorly the NRL is run.This is according to reliable unnamed sauces (sic), from within clubland itself.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

http://crlnsw.com.au/major-changes-announced-for-crl-senior-mens-country-championships/

I'm sure few people would care about the actual detail of this or what impact it might have on bush football, but it relates very heavily to what the NRL is doing as part of this "pathways" crap it's currently forcing everyone to agree to based around the scrapping of the NYC and the ridiculous "platinum league" type plans for the state cups. Basically it just shows how bad the admin of the game is getting. They really have lost the plot.

I won't post the whole story because few if any will be bothered, but in summary they're turning the "senior" country championships into under 23s. So no player over 23 will be able to represent their division and therefore Country. So not only has country lost its Origin team, we don't even have proper Country Firsts or Seconds anymore either.

 

[adamkungl]

Perth Red would underpay poor workers since they would obviously just waste the money anyway. If they were responsible they wouldn't be poor after all

 

[no name]

http://crlnsw.com.au/major-changes-announced-for-crl-senior-mens-country-championships/

I'm sure few people would care about the actual detail of this or what impact it might have on bush football, but it relates very heavily to what the NRL is doing as part of this "pathways" crap it's currently forcing everyone to agree to based around the scrapping of the NYC and the ridiculous "platinum league" type plans for the state cups. Basically it just shows how bad the admin of the game is getting. They really have lost the plot.

I won't post the whole story because few if any will be bothered, but in summary they're turning the "senior" country championships into under 23s. So no player over 23 will be able to represent their division and therefore Country. So not only has country lost its Origin team, we don't even have proper Country Firsts or Seconds anymore either.

f**king terrible idea. Those rep teams are a reward for outstanding players who may have chose not to go to an NRL club, for whatever reason.
Bush footy is in a pretty sad state atm

 

[Canard]

http://crlnsw.com.au/major-changes-announced-for-crl-senior-mens-country-championships/

I'm sure few people would care about the actual detail of this or what impact it might have on bush football, but it relates very heavily to what the NRL is doing as part of this "pathways" crap it's currently forcing everyone to agree to based around the scrapping of the NYC and the ridiculous "platinum league" type plans for the state cups. Basically it just shows how bad the admin of the game is getting. They really have lost the plot.

I won't post the whole story because few if any will be bothered, but in summary they're turning the "senior" country championships into under 23s. So no player over 23 will be able to represent their division and therefore Country. So not only has country lost its Origin team, we don't even have proper Country Firsts or Seconds anymore either.

I talked about something similar earlier in the thread in relation to the foisting of the U20s onto the state leagues.

The extra costs of such competitions will be enormous and most of the places don't have the required administration and infrastructure to support it. The NRL will claim they will fund it, but for how long? These competitions don't have access to sponsorship dollars in the same way the top level does. Most QCup teams run on the smell of an oily rag, and now all this added cost?? Do they want to kill local footy??

Its a terrible idea, borne out of an accountants mentality about saving "money" for the NRL clubs and forcing the costs down onto country footy.

Richardson should never have a job anywhere near footy again.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Mate you are by the looks of it a Storm/Warrior
's fan.The Storm CEO spelt it out and is one of the leaders being against Grant.
I've got Foxtel,which has Sky News apart from Fox Sports plus the FTAs.I have seen him Grant pop up more than a couple of occasions.The guy is more out there then the fumble ball Chairman.

Let me say this ,I have no doubt Grant is a good man ,a former RL International and successful businessman.Of course any Chairmanship is a respected position.He wants the best for the game, we all do.
But Chairmen should not make rash verbal undertakings ,and clubs then as a result ,do their maths on prospective salary caps.Players not signing for 2018 and beyond until that is resolved.It's a cluster.....

If he wants to be above the tit for tat, he should leave that to Greenberg who was a former NRL CEO and has a fair rl background in admin.

If you make a commitment in business and then go back on it, expect the continuous attacks.TBH I think there are more issues than just this one.Asking clubs to put in $150,000 each to a fund ,to prevent a club falling over.Surely in this day and age,if a club with competent business people ,receiving grants can't run a club then we have problems.
The trying to get McLachlan as CEO and getting knocked back, then realising they have one under their nose .came across as amateur,especially the claim they advertised overseas. I have given admin after admin a rap to start with, and then at the end they let me down.It started with that
goose Moffat.
TBH I still don't know why Pearce was there, he looked like a statue.

Look at it this way if Grant can get all the club chairs together next weekend ,resolve the financials with a full explanation of where the code is attend where it should be.I will be the first to applaud his efforts .

And I also agree there are club chairs with ego trips and enjoy the power,but their clubs are also throwing money in towards players and grassroots in their respective areas.They deserve a voice.

And I vehemently hated News journos bagging Grant and the commission day after day.Their media outlets roll out at times vindictive garbage.

Yes I am a storm supporter. Good observation. I did notice he was 1 of the 4 that left the meeting and I can understand his frustration from his point of view. He was given the responsibility along with a couple others I believe to try and broker the deal between the clubs and the Nrl. So he probably felt embarrassed and pissed that the deal broke down.

For me Grants media exposure is nothing but a product of his high ranking positions and if he had the option would not talk to the media. Maybe he will make more of an effort to shun the media.

The commish and CEO should all be above the tit for tat. Actually so should the club chairs, but we all know that isn't the case.

Grant seems to be the punch bag because he delivers the news that the CEO and commission decide. Maybe where ever Grants name gets said they actually mean commission.

 

[adamkungl]

I talked about something similar earlier in the thread in relation to the foisting of the U20s onto the state leagues.

The extra costs of such competitions will be enormous and most of the places don't have the required administration and infrastructure to support it. The NRL will claim they will fund it, but for how long? These competitions don't have access to sponsorship dollars in the same way the top level does. Most QCup teams run on the smell of an oily rag, and now all this added cost?? Do they want to kill local footy??

Its a terrible idea, borne out of an accountants mentality about saving "money" for the NRL clubs and forcing the costs down onto country footy.

Richardson should never have a job anywhere near footy again.

And why do they need to cut costs for clubs important junior pathways? So they can justify continued underfunding. Becoming more transparent by the day.

 

[Danish]

So you think the NRL should cover the entire costs of running an NRL club? The Grant they got this year covered player salaries and still Left $3million spare. Surely the clubs have some responsibility to generate revenue from memberships, sponsorships, merchandise sales etc etc?

Don't the NRL pay clubs travel and accommodation costs?

While ever the NRL is sabotaging the clubs' ability to earn money by playing games at times to guarantee shit attendances/season ticket sales, while also unevenly distributing their media exposure of FTA games hobbling their ability to attract blue chip sponsors then yes, I think the NRL has a large financial responsibility to pass on cash to the clubs.

If they want the clubs to be financially independent they should be structuring the competition to allow them the best chance to do so. Instead they continuously run the game to increase their own profit margins at the expense of the clubs

 

[Stormwarrior82]

While ever the NRL is sabotaging the clubs' ability to earn money by playing games at times to guarantee shit attendances/season ticket sales, while also unevenly distributing their media exposure of FTA games hobbling their ability to attract blue chip sponsors then yes, I think the NRL has a large financial responsibility to pass on cash to the clubs.

If they want the clubs to be financially independent they should be structuring the competition to allow them the best chance to do so. Instead they continuously run the game to increase their own profit margins at the expense of the clubs

How are the Nrl sabotaging clubs? It's the club bosses sense of entitlement again... they have finally got the draw from 2018. News had massive pull in the gallop era and it's taken a formation of a commission, then 8 or so years but by 2018 they will have control of the draw. Hold them responsible then.

Do you understand that for eight games to be played per week some teams will get shit game times... that's life. All clubs need to get on with it. Yes Broncos get favored fridays all the time but that's the current tv deal we have.

Nrl having a financial responsibility to pass the cash on? Yes they do, and by crikey they have, they cover the salary cap plus some. Huge increases than ever before. Yet the clubs still cry poor. All this hating on the Nrl administration shits me. The Nrl administration is the only group that actually legally has the sport in their best interests.

Making clubs have KPI, a football dept limit, salary cap limit will help go along way to making them financial.

 

[Canard]

The Nrl administration is the only group that actually legally has the sport in their best interests.

Legally? That is an odd choice of wording.

For mine, I'd like to see some more facts before "choosing sides" as some have.

Does anyone know if the grant covering the salaries, includes associated overheads?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Legally? That is an odd choice of wording.

For mine, I'd like to see some more facts before "choosing sides" as some have.

Does anyone know if the grant covering the salaries, includes associated overheads?

Not too odd at all. A club has the responsibility to look after themselves first and foremost. Which they most certainly do.
The Nrl is not allowed to favor any individual or club more than the other. Part of the reason for an INDEPENDENT commission.

It's not about choosing sides and I don't care which side you are on. Like mosts things the answer will no doubt be somewhere in the middle.

 

[Canard]

The Nrl is not allowed to favor any individual or club more than the other. Part of the reason for an INDEPENDENT commission.

There is a large gulf between that an Legal obligation however.

Just like the salary cap for example, it isn't illegal to breach it.

 

[Captain Apollo]

How are the Nrl sabotaging clubs? It's the club bosses sense of entitlement again... they have finally got the draw from 2018. News had massive pull in the gallop era and it's taken a formation of a commission, then 8 or so years but by 2018 they will have control of the draw. Hold them responsible then.

Do you understand that for eight games to be played per week some teams will get shit game times... that's life. All clubs need to get on with it. Yes Broncos get favored fridays all the time but that's the current tv deal we have.

Nrl having a financial responsibility to pass the cash on? Yes they do, and by crikey they have, they cover the salary cap plus some. Huge increases than ever before. Yet the clubs still cry poor. All this hating on the Nrl administration shits me. The Nrl administration is the only group that actually legally has the sport in their best interests.

Making clubs have KPI, a football dept limit, salary cap limit will help go along way to making them financial.

Really? Who allowed the situation of the Brisbane Broncos getting the vast majority of Friday night games on free to air TV whilst denying virtually any games to the Cronulla Sharks or the Canberra Raiders (for example)? It was not those clubs, it was the NRL. Who forced a few clubs to play a larger proportion of their games on Monday nights as opposed to say, the Brisbane Broncos? The NRL.

The NRL are there to run the game on behalf of the clubs so no one club or group of clubs gets an unfair advantage over another. They have done that so well they have all the clubs up in arms about their actions.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

There is a large gulf between that an Legal obligation however.

Just like the salary cap for example, it isn't illegal to breach it.

Don't think it's a large gulf, more like a small water way.
Most of the decisions that get made by the Nrl can be taken to court and argued if the opposing entity wishes too. Just like the clubs are potentially doing with the MOU. Yes I agree "legal obligation" can be a grey area.

Definition of Illegal - contrary to or forbidden by law.
Therefore I would say that there are laws around the salary cap that if broken is illegal. Hence why they receive fines and punishment.

Anyway I'm not a lawyer and not going to pretend I am.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Really? Who allowed the situation of the Brisbane Broncos getting the vast majority of Friday night games on free to air TV whilst denying virtually any games to the Cronulla Sharks or the Canberra Raiders (for example)? It was not those clubs, it was the NRL. Who forced a few clubs to play a larger proportion of their games on Monday nights as opposed to say, the Brisbane Broncos? The NRL.

The NRL are there to run the game on behalf of the clubs so no one club or group of clubs gets an unfair advantage over another. They have done that so well they have all the clubs up in arms about their actions.

Who allowed Friday night lights broncos situation? Maybe the fact that News relinquished there stake in the game and bought the tv rights soon after. The Nrl accepted that of course but you guys would be the same ones complaining about the decreased tv deal amount that they would of inevitably received. News would never give up something for nothing. It's taken time but the Nrl from 2018 apparently has the draw to themselves.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Who allowed Friday night lights broncos situation? Maybe the fact that News relinquished there stake in the game and bought the tv rights soon after. The Nrl accepted that of course but you guys would be the same ones complaining about the decreased tv deal amount that they would of inevitably received. News would never give up something for nothing. It's taken time but the Nrl from 2018 apparently has the draw to themselves.

Do not put words in my mouth sport. You do not know me at all.

I have been constantly critical of the NRL for allowing the situation to perpetuate - I don't know any other sport world wide where a sporting administration would allow it to occur.

The NRL have proven even when they have had the law on their side they won't get their TV partners to live up to their agreements e.g. 2008 Finals series, the NRL TV agreement with Channel 9 stated all finals games were to be broadcast live - a Finals game between the NZ Warriors and the Sydney Roosters instead of being shown live at 6.30 pm (AEST) on the Friday as required by the agreement, the NRL did nothing when Channel 9 instead showed it on delay so they could instead screen their usual muck like A Current Affair.

 

[Danish]

How are the Nrl sabotaging clubs? It's the club bosses sense of entitlement again... they have finally got the draw from 2018. News had massive pull in the gallop era and it's taken a formation of a commission, then 8 or so years but by 2018 they will have control of the draw. Hold them responsible then.

Do you understand that for eight games to be played per week some teams will get shit game times... that's life. All clubs need to get on with it. Yes Broncos get favored fridays all the time but that's the current tv deal we have.

Nrl having a financial responsibility to pass the cash on? Yes they do, and by crikey they have, they cover the salary cap plus some. Huge increases than ever before. Yet the clubs still cry poor. All this hating on the Nrl administration shits me. The Nrl administration is the only group that actually legally has the sport in their best interests.

Making clubs have KPI, a football dept limit, salary cap limit will help go along way to making them financial.

My club has 1 Thursday and 2 6pm Friday home games next year. The Friday 6pm games are against manly and the knights, 2 already low drawing games which will now be lucky to pull 6000 people. Those games will mean lower ticket sales, less season tickets sold, less merchandise sold at games.

Then you have other clubs consistently given f**k all FTA games, so one can only imagine what sort of negative effect that has on the value of their jersey sponsorships compared to the channel 9 darlings that feature on FTA half the year or even more.

Forcing clubs to reduce their spending is a regarded idea. we shouldn't be aiming to artificially have the clubs making a profit by limiting what they can spend. We should be ensuring they have all the tools available to earn as much as they can.

Clubs are competing with a tonne or rival codes both home and abroad for players and fans alike. Forcing them to do so on a limited budget will only make that fight tougher

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Do not put words in my mouth sport. You do not know me at all.

I have been constantly critical of the NRL for allowing the situation to perpetuate - I don't know any other sport world wide where a sporting administration would allow it to occur.

The NRL have proven even when they have had the law on their side they won't get their TV partners to live up to their agreements e.g. 2008 Finals series, the NRL TV agreement with Channel 9 stated all finals games were to be broadcast live - a Finals game between the NZ Warriors and the Sydney Roosters instead of being shown live at 6.30 pm (AEST) on the Friday as required by the agreement, the NRL did nothing when Channel 9 instead showed it on delay so they could instead screen their usual muck like A Current Affair.

I don't claim to know you. An opinion is just that and I'm entitled to it. I'll be a bit more precious with you next time. And I'm not a sport.

I feel the Nrl couldn't possibly of cut News out of the 2012-17 tv deal without concessions like the draw. It had to be done over time. That time has come to an end in 2018. Let's just be happy for that.

My club has had shit draws for years, away from fta tv even though they have been continuously at the top for 10yrs.

And I agree with you the Nrl haven't held News or 9 to account on a number of things which is frustrating and I hope will change.

 

[taipan]

Yes I am a storm supporter. Good observation. I did notice he was 1 of the 4 that left the meeting and I can understand his frustration from his point of view. He was given the responsibility along with a couple others I believe to try and broker the deal between the clubs and the Nrl. So he probably felt embarrassed and pissed that the deal broke down.

For me Grants media exposure is nothing but a product of his high ranking positions and if he had the option would not talk to the media. Maybe he will make more of an effort to shun the media.

The commish and CEO should all be above the tit for tat. Actually so should the club chairs, but we all know that isn't the case.

Grant seems to be the punch bag because he delivers the news that the CEO and commission decide. Maybe where ever Grants name gets said they actually mean commission.

Have a geek at the head of the QRL's(Betros) comment about Grant's undertaking.
It's not just me that is frustrated,the game at times carries on like a bunch of rank amateurs, this latest episode a classic example.
It's the players, grassroots base and fans that wait around until the mess gets sorted out.The people who provide the entertainment and the people who pay to watch it.
Grant is human like the rest of us, and says things either of the cuff or when we've had one too many.However in the case of this magnitude,you just can't glibly say "oh he had an off day".The commercial world doesn';t work like that, it's a ruthless sh*tfight.And many people on NRL club boards are successful business types.Their attitude "you screw me ,then I'll return the favour."

As a layman on the issue, the CBA /cap should have been firmly in place ,before club grant's were offered.