NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[Eion]

For me Grants media exposure is nothing but a product of his high ranking positions and if he had the option would not talk to the media. Maybe he will make more of an effort to shun the media.

The commish and CEO should all be above the tit for tat. Actually so should the club chairs, but we all know that isn't the case.

Grant seems to be the punch bag because he delivers the news that the CEO and commission decide. Maybe where ever Grants name gets said they actually mean commission.

Grant does have the option though. It's quite unusual for a chairman to be so prominent in the media, that's why they have a CEO.

More likely he just loves being the big man on campus.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

My club has 1 Thursday and 2 6pm Friday home games next year. The Friday 6pm games are against manly and the knights, 2 already low drawing games which will now be lucky to pull 6000 people. Those games will mean lower ticket sales, less season tickets sold, less merchandise sold at games.

Then you have other clubs consistently given f**k all FTA games, so one can only imagine what sort of negative effect that has on the value of their jersey sponsorships compared to the channel 9 darlings that feature on FTA half the year or even more.

Forcing clubs to reduce their spending is a regarded idea. we shouldn't be aiming to artificially have the clubs making a profit by limiting what they can spend. We should be ensuring they have all the tools available to earn as much as they can.

Clubs are competing with a tonne or rival codes both home and abroad for players and fans alike. Forcing them to do so on a limited budget will only make that fight tougher

Yes your club might have a game on Friday at 6pm with those teams but the alternative would of been Monday night. Would you want that instead? I don't like the Friday 6pm time but at some point clubs have to play at that time. Some more than others... and yes it sucks.

I agree at the moment it is unfair for the FTA teams like the Broncs... yes they get an unfair advantage but let's hope that changes next year.

It's not about forcing clubs to reduce spending. It's about stopping the financial clubs from overspending and allowing the smaller clubs to compete. Storm, panthers all spend shed loads of money on football departments. Have a high cap and spend their extra $$ on expanding their business. When panthers, manly, Canberra and west tigers all spend the same and salary cap is even that is truely and even comp.

Competing with others codes will always be an issue. Our product has always been exciting to watch so can't see that changing.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Grant does have the option though. It's quite unusual for a chairman to be so prominent in the media, that's why they have a CEO.

More likely he just loves being the big man on campus.

Does he?? Neither of us know the real answer but if I was him I would be getting the others to pull their weight. And let Greenberg take the heat for the Nrls decisions.

 

[Canard]

Definition of Illegal - contrary to or forbidden by law.
Therefore I would say that there are laws around the salary cap that if broken is illegal. Hence why they receive fines and punishment.

It is definitely not forbidden by LAW to break the salary cap.

 

[El Diablo]

Grant does have the option though. It's quite unusual for a chairman to be so prominent in the media, that's why they have a CEO.

More likely he just loves being the big man on campus.

rarely do you ever see the AFL chairman

Grant loves being center stage

 

[Stormwarrior82]

It is definitely not forbidden by LAW to break the salary cap.

Google has 2 definitions. In this instance I take law as defined as; A rule defining correct procedure or behavior in sport. I can see you are taking it as state or federal law. Either way a fine and or penalty is applied.
It's illegal to drink and drive but people still do it and get fined and or penalized.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

rarely do you ever see the AFL chairman

Grant loves being center stage

Yes your right we never see them.

Sometimes it seems he does like it but I feel it's more out of the fact greenberg and others are scared to speak ill of certain people. I just hope for the sake of the Nrls future he stays.

 

[Eion]

Does he?? Neither of us know the real answer but if I was him I would be getting the others to pull their weight. And let Greenberg take the heat for the Nrls decisions.

You'd have to not be an egomaniac to do that...

 

[Eion]

rarely do you ever see the AFL chairman

Grant loves being center stage

Or cricket, or soccer...

 

[Canard]

Google has 2 definitions. In this instance I take law as defined as; A rule defining correct procedure or behavior in sport. I can see you are taking it as state or federal law. Either way a fine and or penalty is applied.
It's illegal to drink and drive but people still do it and get fined and or penalized.

It is most definitely illegal to operate a vehicle whilst intoxicated, and your are punished by laws enforced by the court.

You cannot be punished by a court of law for breaching the NRL salary cap.

Back to your original claim, the independent commission is set up to operate in the best interests of the game yes, but it isn't LEGALLY obligated to do this (how would you even legally define this anyway?)

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Fiduciary duty.

 

[El Diablo]

Or cricket, or soccer...

or businesses

 

[El Diablo]

I just hope for the sake of the Nrls future he stays.

so he can f**k up his f**k ups even more?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

so he can f**k up his f**k ups even more?

When you say "his" I'm guessing you mean the Nrl/commission? I don't need to explain the Nrl board to you do I? This is what gets lost in translation. Grant talks on behalf of the commission.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

No other code has self-interest consumed a code like it does for rugby league. How much money do the clubs truly need considering they majority of them are incompetent and running losses. Giving them more grant money is just throwing money away unless it is properly utilized.

It's amateur hour how clubs can rack up losses despite getting gifted millions of dollars from the NRL, if it wasn't for administration past or present a good portion of those clubs would be long gone. So for the clubs to chuck a tantrum they should look at themselves as there the reason for a great money drain from the TV deal.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

It is most definitely illegal to operate a vehicle whilst intoxicated, and your are punished by laws enforced by the court.

You cannot be punished by a court of law for breaching the NRL salary cap.

Back to your original claim, the independent commission is set up to operate in the best interests of the game yes, but it isn't LEGALLY obligated to do this (how would you even legally define this anyway?)

Most decent sports have their own fine and punishment system to try and keep these issues out of courts. In around about way you can. Courts of law decide guilt or not or degree of guilt. Then they have a sentencing tribunal. The sports are normally the sentencing tribunal. If the punished group feel unfairly treated where do they go? .....

The Arl removed Souths from the comp. They went to the court of law to fight it and they won.

Storm got fined for salary cap cheating and had the opportunity to go to court to fight the fines and punishment but the powers to be settled it due to News owners.

Essendon/bird went to court of law to fight the Afls charges and Lost

It very rarely goes to court but can.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

No other code has self-interest consumed a code like it does for rugby league. How much money do the clubs truly need considering they majority of them are incompetent and running losses. Giving them more grant money is just throwing money away unless it is properly utilized.

It's amateur hour how clubs can rack up losses despite getting gifted millions of dollars from the NRL, if it wasn't for administration past or present a good portion of those clubs would be long gone. So for the clubs to chuck a tantrum they should look at themselves as there the reason for a great money drain from the TV deal.

Exactly!

I remember reading an article from Gus and he basically said that the more you give the clubs the more they will spend and will still cry poor. Why should the clubs receive a dollar more than the salary cap? They seemed happy in 2012 when they got that. There goal posts have moved, why can't the Nrls? Sense of entitlement from the clubs is ridiculous.

 

[Danish]

Yes your club might have a game on Friday at 6pm with those teams but the alternative would of been Monday night. Would you want that instead? I don't like the Friday 6pm time but at some point clubs have to play at that time. Some more than others... and yes it sucks.

I agree at the moment it is unfair for the FTA teams like the Broncs... yes they get an unfair advantage but let's hope that changes next year.

It's not about forcing clubs to reduce spending. It's about stopping the financial clubs from overspending and allowing the smaller clubs to compete. Storm, panthers all spend shed loads of money on football departments. Have a high cap and spend their extra $$ on expanding their business. When panthers, manly, Canberra and west tigers all spend the same and salary cap is even that is truely and even comp.

Competing with others codes will always be an issue. Our product has always been exciting to watch so can't see that changing.

I didn't realise football had to be played on Monday night or Friday at 6pm by heavenly decree. I thought it was something the NRL agreed to voluntary for a few theoretical extra bucks. How silly of me.

Personally I believe our TV rights deal would not lose a dollar in value if we had a single Friday night game and the rest on the weekend (barring public holidays). AFL seem to do just fine such a set up.

 

[El Diablo]

When you say "his" I'm guessing you mean the Nrl/commission? I don't need to explain the Nrl board to you do I? This is what gets lost in translation. Grant talks on behalf of the commission.

he's the f**king Chairman

the buck stops with him and he is the only one the clubs have said they have a problem with

 

[Perth Red]

My club has 1 Thursday and 2 6pm Friday home games next year. The Friday 6pm games are against manly and the knights, 2 already low drawing games which will now be lucky to pull 6000 people. Those games will mean lower ticket sales, less season tickets sold, less merchandise sold at games.

Then you have other clubs consistently given f**k all FTA games, so one can only imagine what sort of negative effect that has on the value of their jersey sponsorships compared to the channel 9 darlings that feature on FTA half the year or even more.

Forcing clubs to reduce their spending is a regarded idea. we shouldn't be aiming to artificially have the clubs making a profit by limiting what they can spend. We should be ensuring they have all the tools available to earn as much as they can.

Clubs are competing with a tonne or rival codes both home and abroad for players and fans alike. Forcing them to do so on a limited budget will only make that fight tougher

Totally agree re the terrible scheduling of KO times, AFL managed to get more money and fan friendly game times, this was a massive failure on the NRL's part.

The forced reduction on spending is not in areas such as marketing, game day experience or membership promotion. It is on coaching, supplement programs, wrestling technicians, highly paid water boy ex players etc etc. Indeed the plan was to have $1.5mill additional funding for club business development budgets. Given most clubs are losing money I don't think putting a cap on non playing football related budgets is going to make them suddenly have excess profits!