NRL: Lets talk about relocating teams, says QRL boss.

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  1. LeagueXIII

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    That is very sad, such an iconic rugby league name. Unlike other sports we don't protect them we just kick them to the curb and say next........

    Balmain could and should be like South Sydney are today.
     
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    Honestly mate, you are without a clue. Penrith Stadium is fine, could be a bit bigger, thats all. Moving games to Parramatta would be a disaster. There was a stadium at Parramatta before, opened in the mid 80s, and we never needed to take games there.
     
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  3. TheFrog

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    Vaporizing half a dozen teams in the 1980's would have had the same result it would now- massive disenfranchisement of a huge portion of the game's supporter base. What we have now is what has evolved from the 12 team Sydney premiership that existed in 1980.
     
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  4. MugaB

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    This is total garbage, sorry but merging 2 teams that are 30kms away from each other is dullard thinking, especially when parramatta, Canterbury, concord(wests), and souths
    Are all within 10-15kms away from each other and all play out of anz stadium
    Penrith has a massive catchment of juniors yes, but it also draws players and pathways from Bathurst, and greater western region of country nsw,
    I would like to see the panthers play 8 home games, with the remaining 4 in rural country towns in nsw out west, dubbo, mudgee, orange, and Bathurst.
    The distance of crounulla is far enough also to not be an issue either, only dragons if more games at kogarah would conflict there, but being that they are an already merged entity, should be full time wollongong, with 3 matches at kogarah, much like wests tigers does with balmain and campbelltown

    The only mergers is see possible, is splitting wests tigers up and moving balmain tigers to perth, funded by nrl as the newer addition, with keeping the heritage of a foundation club and western suburbs magpies re-merge with Canterbury, and become a very powerful and rich south western entity, the other is merge sydney roosters and manly and rule north of the bridge, again 3 games at brookvale, with all others at allianz,

    Add in a northern brisbane team (redcliff and sunshine coast based) and a south queensland team (logan/ipswich based)
    & add in possibly central coast
    Adelaide, PNG, and Central QLD in another 10 years, or next/next tv deal cycle
     
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  5. TheFrog

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    It's been done before and was successful too.
     
  6. MugaB

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    So in other words lets merge, easts and souths, or st George and cronulla
    Or better yet norths and manly that'll work
    Stgeorge and illawarra only work as the dragons basically ate up the steelers, there isn't anything illawarras way barr playing in at WIN stadium
    If they had merged with cronulla it would have been to the same effect, probably worse, only 3 games max and it would have stayed sharks colors

    Balmain are hugely pushed aside in their "WESTS" merger, they basically are the western suburbs magpies with a gold strip pretending to be a tiger.

    And norths are now non existent
    Unless the NRL pays attention to the central coast bid

    So no, it hasn't worked yet
    You dont merge rival clubs,
    its insane business, and any real league fan, (im talking grew up in NSWRL era) will know this, the NswRL started in sydney, it will always be based around sydney, it will expand to places that want it, and can sustain it
    I can see 6-7 teams working minimum.
    Parramatta, Easts/Manly, Cronulla, Souths, Penrith and Canterbury/Wests & Stgeorge based in Wollongong
     
  7. MugaB

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    Besides geographicaly, if SYDNEY roosters stadium ALLIANZ is the main focal location in sydney that all other teams are regarded in distance to it in sydney only

    Then Central coast being 70kms away
    and Wollongong being 85kms away
    And Penrith being 60kms away would all have teams, and probably be classified out of/or the edge of sydneys metropolitan or the bookends so to speak.
    It would be the remaining teams inside that would need to merge
    Parramatta is 25kms away from Allianz stadium thats crazy that between those 2 teams we have Canterbury, Wests tigers and Souths in between that distance

    But no, you say lets go the other way and merge Parra with Penrith
    Do you get what i mean by saying its not smart, you cannot merge rivals
     
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    I agree with the ideas of sharks of sydneys south, and dragons of the gong, probably not so much north Sydney idea, only coz of manly vs bears saga that still rages on
    Which in truth the idea in theory works, but the fans of both teams already are at odds with themselves aswell as at the nrl, but where does western sydney start? West of Anz stadium or west of redfern, west of Ashfield, such a broad term, i feel Parramatta is the west and anything east of them needs to consolidate
    The problem with mergers or relocations, is everyone in sydney has a team and is tribal for it, no one wants to see THEIR team move away, or be united with a dud or rival.
    I think relocations can work, not so much mergers, but it has to happen over time, and has to be beneficial to that club only, not beneficial to the league, reason the womens league only has one sydney team, even though souths and cronulla have had actual womens teams in their own comp for years, they should have been a shoe in. Had Newcastle, Penrith, or any other team out of nsw had a team to put forward they easily would have been included in the NRLW. but out of tigers, parra and dogs maybe only one licence they would grant, Souths too close to roosters, and cronulla to close to dragons area. Nrl are starting show which teams matter to them through the womens comp
     
  9. Perth Red

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    I don't even know why people are wasting their time debating this stuff, its never going to happen. There'll be no mergers or relocations, NRL doesn't have the balls for it. Only hope for expansion is to go to an 18 team comp in 2023 or 2028 or 2033 or whenever the NRL has someone in charge with some vision.
     
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  10. The Great Dane

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    It's nice that you agree but I don't really agree with it myself, I'd do things very differently, no mergers, no relocation, just relegation, but that is an aside.

    Anyhow I'm not really sure what there is to disagree with when it comes to the Sea Eagles taking over NS, the Bears should effectively be a non-issue at this point, and frankly the old Bears fans wouldn't be the Sea Eagles target audience if they were to expand into NS anyway, their grandchildren and/or kids would be along with the rest of the younger demographics, and if we're honest Sea Eagles and (to a lesser extent) Bears fans who actually care about the old rivalry or even truly understand it in the Sea Eagles case are dying out very quickly, once a couple of generations pass on they'll be as rare as hens teeth.

    At that point why bother at all. What the clubs see as "beneficial" and what is actually "beneficial" are two vastly different things, e.g. I'd bet you anything that one of the West Sydney clubs would try to pressure the government to build a stadium in Liverpool so they could 'relocate' there, which might be great for the club but wouldn't (in of it's self) alleviate any of the problems of over saturation in Sydney that the NRL is facing and thus would be utterly pointless.
     
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    Sure the current NRL doesn't have the balls for it, they're to scared of the Daily Telegraph and the media hacks, and the club 'power brokers' to do rationalisation or anything really important and/or difficult, however it's inevitable that given time the NRL will be forced by market pressures to either rationalise Sydney or completely restructure the competition and/or league structure, it's just a matter of time.

    The really bad thing though is that the longer the status quo continues the more damage it does and the harder it will be to actually do the rationalisation in the future, it's a bit like ripping a band-aid off or slowly pulling it off, and the NRL are going with slowly pulling it off in the hope of delaying the pain when really all it will do is draw the process out...
    On the other hand though there is the bonus of doing it this way cause the AFL are headed down a very similar path and it'll almost certainly come to a head for them before it does for the NRL, so the NRL will get the opportunity to learn from them and see what did and didn't work for them.
     
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  12. MugaB

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    I meant regarding beneficial for the club to move on its own terms, thus they would promote themselves towards moving to perth or wherever for example
    Rather than being moved on or forced by nrl hierarchy to move/merge etc
    Its probably never going to happen, and more likely clubs will dissolve as they have in the past
     
  13. Perth Red

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    I guess in theory clubs are probably more aware now that if they drop out of the NRL they are probably never getting back in. I reckon Bears and Manly thought if they dissolved the merger they would both find a way back into the NRL eventually. Knowing that you aint getting back might be enough to see a bankrupt club decide to relocate, but its hard to see any club going bankrupt with the new $13mill grant tbh.
     
  14. T-Boon

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    I don't know, they will increase their spending even before that money comes in, so they will mostly all be making a "loss" still.
     
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    Wonder how Wests would be if the still had all of their original Territory of Sydney

    Eg Penrith / Parramatta / Canterbury / St George and Cronulla
     
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    Hold their beers.
     
  17. TheFrog

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    Most of it was just bush in those days.
     

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