Nrl plans for a 20 team comp

[Red&BlackBear]

They themselves are not rich, east tigers are asset rich, own everything, stadium/club etc, Jets look like they are getting gifted certain things, due to the area thet represent... not that that matters, clubs could be based in Darwin or the moon these days with the grant

Correct. Jets own their ground. QLD Labour Government proposed a $10m fund to upgrade the ground to a 12k stadium relative to Dolphins Stadium. This was proposed in March of this year. Unsure on status, most likely a post election win commitment - if at all.

Jets Leagues Club had a nice renovation about a decade or so ago. It used to be an absolute dive but now it looks quite nice. Jets acquired Hotel Cecil awhile back to make it their own.

I believe that’s what they own asset wise. The other big leagues club in Ippy is part of Brothers & not Jets.

 

[flippikat]

Correct. Jets own their ground. QLD Labour Government proposed a $10m fund to upgrade the ground to a 12k stadium relative to Dolphins Stadium. This was proposed in March of this year. Unsure on status, most likely a post election win commitment - if at all.

Jets Leagues Club had a nice renovation about a decade or so ago. It used to be an absolute dive but now it looks quite nice. Jets acquired Hotel Cecil awhile back to make it their own.

I believe that’s what they own asset wise. The other big leagues club in Ippy is part of Brothers & not Jets.

Interesting part at the end.. I wonder if a linkup with Brothers could help an Ipswich bid - maybe with Brothers as some kinda feeder/nursery.. and/or minority stake-holder?

 

[Wb1234]

Interesting part at the end.. I wonder if a linkup with Brothers could help an Ipswich bid - maybe with Brothers as some kinda feeder/nursery.. and/or minority stake-holder?

Brothers had a bid way back

It was to play games all over qld where there was a brothers club including central qld

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Interesting part at the end.. I wonder if a linkup with Brothers could help an Ipswich bid - maybe with Brothers as some kinda feeder/nursery.. and/or minority stake-holder?

Doubt Brothers as a organisation would entertain it tbh. There are so many subsidiary clubs of Brothers that geographically it would be impossible to streamline it.

TBH I’m not 100% sure they are all connected. I heard they were but never found evidence of it. Just hearsay.

Brothers Ipswich
Brothers Toowoomba
Brothers Logan
Past Brothers (Grange)
Brothers Bundaberg
Brothers Rockhampton
Brothers Townsville
Brothers Cairns

Not sure where you would start and end it. Most of those are directly under their own regional Q-Cup clubs and therefore under existing NRL clubs.

 

[flippikat]

Doubt Brothers as a organisation would entertain it tbh. There are so many subsidiary clubs of Brothers that geographically it would be impossible to streamline it.

Fair point - and I was just floating it as a "would it be feasible.. or even attractive?" given the financial clout of Brothers that was mentioned.

I'm aware of the perils of joint ventures (hence the idea of a minority stake/silent partner to a Jets-lead bid), but I can understand if it's a non-starter.

I probably had it in mind as Brothers bringing financial clout - since a scenario where Ipswich links with Brisbane Easts could be trickier as Brisbane Easts would probably want FAR more of an active role in NRL club decision-making & operations.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Fair point - and I was just floating it as a "would it be feasible.. or even attractive?" given the financial clout of Brothers that was mentioned.

I'm aware of the perils of joint ventures (hence the idea of a minority stake/silent partner to a Jets-lead bid), but I can understand if it's a non-starter.

I probably had it in mind as Brothers bringing financial clout - since a scenario where Ipswich links with Brisbane Easts could be trickier as Brisbane Easts would probably want FAR more of an active role in NRL club decision-making & operations.

I get it. I don’t think Ipswich needs any financial input from other clubs tbh.

I wrote in a post in Brisbane 3 thread that Ipswich and Western Corridor particularly Toowoomba area have some big corporations and companies which operate from there. Wagners, FKG to name a few. I think WC are fine if they are able to harness commercial support from said corporations. Owning assets (regardless of small amount in comparison to say Easts) in particularly a field is advantageous as well.

If I’m not mistaken the previous Brothers bid was suppose to be based in Central QLD. Possibly having taken over that weird bid that once came from the region.

Unsure if they would entertain the SQ market. Anything is possible though. Money reigns supreme.

 

[Wb1234]

I get it. I don’t think Ipswich needs any financial input from other clubs tbh.

I wrote in a post in Brisbane 3 thread that Ipswich and Western Corridor particularly Toowoomba area have some big corporations and companies which operate from there. Wagners, FKG to name a few. I think WC are fine if they are able to harness commercial support from said corporations. Owning assets (regardless of small amount in comparison to say Easts) in particularly a field is advantageous as well.

If I’m not mistaken the previous Brothers bid was suppose to be based in Central QLD. Possibly having taken over that weird bid that once came from the region.

Unsure if they would entertain the SQ market. Anything is possible though. Money reigns supreme.

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle with Ipswich chapter declaring allegiance to rival consortium

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle

www.foxsports.com.au

Brothers Ipswich were to link with western coridoor

 

[Wb1234]

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle with Ipswich chapter declaring allegiance to rival consortium

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle

www.foxsports.com.au

Brothers Ipswich were to link with western coridoor

“NRL chief executive David Smith is on record as wanting the code to expand its footprint and believes south east Queensland deserves a second team.”

@Perth Red said David smith was a good leader

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle with Ipswich chapter declaring allegiance to rival consortium

Brothers' NRL bid hits hurdle

www.foxsports.com.au

Brothers Ipswich were to link with western coridoor

There you go then. Not sure why I correlated them with Central Qld. Maybe Brothers Rocky were part of the Central Qld bid model.

 

[Wb1234]

There you go then. Not sure why I correlated them with Central Qld. Maybe Brothers Rocky were part of the Central Qld bid model.

Yep pretty sure they did link with central qld

 

[Perth Red]

I get it. I don’t think Ipswich needs any financial input from other clubs tbh.

I wrote in a post in Brisbane 3 thread that Ipswich and Western Corridor particularly Toowoomba area have some big corporations and companies which operate from there. Wagners, FKG to name a few. I think WC are fine if they are able to harness commercial support from said corporations. Owning assets (regardless of small amount in comparison to say Easts) in particularly a field is advantageous as well.

If I’m not mistaken the previous Brothers bid was suppose to be based in Central QLD. Possibly having taken over that weird bid that once came from the region.

Unsure if they would entertain the SQ market. Anything is possible though. Money reigns supreme.

We seem closer to the point where clubs no longer need LC's to make up revenue shortfalls. What is clear from the Western Bears bid is that they do have to have some substantial start up funds (to the tune of $30mill) in order to set the club up properly from day 1. I have no doubt the can generate enough annual revenue along with the ever increasing NRL grant to be sustainable. Thats probably where Jets need financial partners.

And then it comes the question would the NRL prefer a centralised Brisbane3 club like Easts or an outer rim club like Ipswich? Then comes the second question of what will the other clubs allow? Ipswich seems an easier sell to the other clubs than Easts playing all games at Suncorp, in same way Redcliffe was.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

We seem closer to the point where clubs no longer need LC's to make up revenue shortfalls. What is clear from the Western Bears bid is that they do have to have some substantial start up funds (to the tune of $30mill) in order to set the club up properly from day 1. I have no doubt the can generate enough annual revenue along with the ever increasing NRL grant to be sustainable. Thats probably where Jets need financial partners.

And then it comes the question would the NRL prefer a centralised Brisbane3 club like Easts or an outer rim club like Ipswich? Then comes the second question of what will the other clubs allow? Ipswich seems an easier sell to the other clubs than Easts playing all games at Suncorp, in same way Redcliffe was.

You’re right but I think you might be confusing asset collateral (ie owning an establishment like a leagues club) vs. old school leagues club pokies revenue.

Every club still needs assets and whether that’s a leagues club + other establishments or commercial spaces I guess is up to that clubs owners discretion.

Leagues Clubs or establishments will always make up part of certain clubs business acquisition portfolios. It’s a guaranteed money generator and if all else fails it’s guaranteed money from land.

Thats more what I was insinuating than anything else.

 

[jim_57]

There you go then. Not sure why I correlated them with Central Qld. Maybe Brothers Rocky were part of the Central Qld bid model.

There was a link there involving Rockhampton Brothers at least. Brothers Leagues club became ‘CQ Bid Leagues Club’ for a time, right next to where the stadium was proposed to be built if they got a spot.

 

[Wb1234]

Leagues clubs fund juniors

Unlike our major rival who have to carry the expense themselves the arlc can spend minimal on this area and bank the savings

 

[Perth Red]

Leagues clubs fund juniors

Unlike our major rival who have to carry the expense themselves the arlc can spend minimal on this area and bank the savings

which is fine if there is a LC in the area (though the reality is LC's put a pittance into Jnr RL in most areas) but if there isnt then what? Areas just go without development?

 

[Wb1234]

which is fine if there is a LC in the area (though the reality is LC's put a pittance into Jnr RL in most areas) but if there isnt then what? Areas just go without development?

Participation prizes or real junior development ?

Wasteland states will never be large producers.

PNG will and nz but they will have Aussie clubs also helping by taking their talent

 

[Chief_Chujo]

Wasteland states will never be large producers.

Unfortunately it's the truth. Victoria is never going to produce many due the saturation of AFL. Adelaide is a tiny population covered by two AFL teams. Look at the production of top grade talent in QLD and NSW in AFL with much more favorable conditions. Whereas the Warriors, 30yrs since inception, has led to a plethora of talent for the game.

I'm a little more hopeful on Perth. Larger population, only two AFL teams, more favorable demographics. I wouldn't be surprised to see more WA juniors in the game than VIC pretty quickly.

Not that Adelaide shouldn't get a team at some point. Melbourne has positives beyond talent production. They have clearly had a positive effect on ratings for our event games. But SA should be pretty low on the list of where to expand.

 

[Matt_CBY]

Can’t have a national competition without Adelaide

 

[Gordie]

Can’t have a national competition without Adelaide

Final piece of the jigsaw for Australia.

 

[Wb1234]

Can’t have a national competition without Adelaide

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