NRL Salary Cap vs French Top 14

[In-goal]

they can hire bigger stadiums and actually fill them.

I bet very few clubs would average 35,000 people to all home matches throughout the season like the Broncos.

 

[Snor]

very few clubs would be successful at selling pink jerseys

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the stadium in Toulon. Stade Mayrol...

Stade Mayol is a multi-use stadium in Toulon, France. It is currently used mostly for rugby union matches and is the home stadium of RC Toulonnais. The stadium is able to hold 13,700 people. It is one of the few French stadiums to be embedded in the city and surrounded by high buildings.

 

[mangeur de grenouilles]

Yes, it is. http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=oanKN0q1snc&feature=related


Works are going to begin so that it can welcome more than 23 000 persons in the future. Some wanted it bigger, but it was necessary for it to reconstruct it somewhere else, and toulonnais want to keep it in the city center next to the port.

 

[Snor]

they could always play big drawing teams like Toulouse in Marseille. guaranteed 60,000

 

[Brutus]

'They must have some very very rich backers as RU isn't that big a TV sport in France.'

how do you know? have you been to France? I suggest you look into the backgrounds of some of their owners. they can hire bigger stadiums and actually fill them.

:lol::lol:

Do the research buddy. Gregan said himself the TV deal was much lower than the NRL's and the crowds were sh*t. 9.5 k average across the board.

 

[SteveM]

The average is 11k for the Top 14 (14 teams) and about 5k for Pro D2 (16 teams). So people do obviously watch RU in France.

The Top14 TV deal is about 30m Euro a season. However, the real money is in the European Cup and Internationals. Tickets and merchandise are not cheap and they have sponsors falling over themselves to get involved.

Make the NRL look like a very poor relation.

 

[Nook]

A poor relation with better footballers, better crowds, a bigger TV deal, a greater footprint geographically, and a far bigger place in its respective nation's sporting consciousness. Good point, you fat merkin.

 

[SteveM]

A poor relation with better footballers, better crowds, a bigger TV deal, a greater footprint geographically, and a far bigger place in its respective nation's sporting consciousness. Good point, you fat merkin.

Must have hit a nerve when you start hirling insults from the word go.

Better footballers - Matter of opinion

Better Crowds - NRL has a better average then the Top14. Don't know about the total numbers of spectators though, again, because of the HEC and Internationals.

Bigger TV Deal - No French RU has a far better TV deal (Top 14, Pro D2, HEC, Six Nations, Autum Internationls ). They generate a far bigger income then the NRL TV Deal.

A greater footprint geographically - Don't be silly. Fully Professional teams are located all over France. The NRL can't even be bothered with Perth !.

Bigger place in its respective nation's sporting consciousness - Matter of opinion.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Must have hit a nerve when you start hirling insults from the word go.

f**k off genius, you obviously have nfi. BTW, how does one 'hirl' insults? :lol:

Better footballers - Matter of opinion

No it isn't. French unionites are renowned for their thuggery even in a sport that is famous for eye gouging and ball grabbing. Their players are hardly being courted by clubs around the world either. The average Top14 player wouldn't last one half in the JBC.

Better Crowds - NRL has a better average then the Top14. Don't know about the total numbers of spectators though, again, because of the HEC and Internationals.

Seems clear cut to me that the NRL draws much larger crowds despite having a population base a magnitude smaller.

Bigger TV Deal - No French RU has a far better TV deal (Top 14, Pro D2, HEC, Six Nations, Autum Internationls ). They generate a far bigger income then the NRL TV Deal.

Again, the French economy is much larger than ours and even so their deal is only slightly larger. The fact that you tried to compare all of RU in France to the NRL speaks volumes.

A greater footprint geographically - Don't be silly. Fully Professional teams are located all over France. The NRL can't even be bothered with Perth !.

The NRL has a larger geographical spread, that's all you need to say. Most of the Top14 teams are based in cities smaller than Townsville ffs.

Bigger place in its respective nation's sporting consciousness - Matter of opinion.

No it isn't. Get back to me when the Top14 is front and back page news in the largest city in France.

 

[SteveM]

Their players are hardly being courted by clubs around the world either.

The reason they are not courted is because it the best club comp in union and easy the best paid.

The average Top14 player wouldn't last one half in the JBC.

That will explain why Gower is going so well (not) in T14 . He looks very average. Time will tell if he is up to first grade.

Seems clear cut to me that the NRL draws much larger crowds despite having a population base a magnitude smaller.

The game is either bigger or it’s not. Don’t give me per head of the population sh*t.

Again, the French economy is much larger than ours and even so their deal is only slightly larger. The fact that you tried to compare all of RU in France to the NRL speaks volumes

The NRL is basically professional RL is Australia with Origin and a couple of Test matches added on. Professional Union in France is structured differently hence why you have to include internationals and the HEC.

Their total income from TV rights is much bigger than the NRL/Origin/International income. Don’t use the size of your economy as an excuse.

The NRL has a larger geographical spread, that's all you need to say. Most of the Top14 teams are based in cities smaller than Townsville ffs

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That would be population spread your quoting. As I have said the French have a far better geographical spread for their professional clubs.

No it isn't. Get back to me when the Top14 is front and back page news in the largest city in France.

Actually union appears on the front and back pages for the major sports papers on a regular basis.

 

[Nook]

Better footballers

- Matter of opinion

Garbage. The Top 14 is full of union-playing hacks from around the world - because the union playing hacks of France aren't up to it. There's a smattering of talented players - from New Zealand.

Better Crowds - NRL has a better average then the Top14. Don't know about the total numbers of spectators though, again, because of the HEC and Internationals.

So we're comparing Top 14 with the NRL, except when it doesn't suit you - then we compare the NRL with the whole of European union? Rightio dear.

Bigger TV Deal - No French RU has a far better TV deal (Top 14, Pro D2, HEC, Six Nations, Autum Internationls ). They generate a far bigger income then the NRL TV Deal.

Feel free to provide a number...any number...

A greater footprint geographically - Don't be silly. Fully Professional teams are located all over France. The NRL can't even be bothered with Perth !

Top 14 08/09
Bayonne
Biarritz
Bourgoin-Jallieu
Brive
Castres
Clermont-Ferrand
Dax
Montauban
Mont-de-Marson
Montpellier
Paris
Perpignan
Toulon
Toulouse

Four questions - my guess is you won't be brave enough to honestly answer any of them:

a) how many of these 'cities' (moslty towns, actually) have a population greater than or equal to that of Townsville (about 140,000)?

b) how many of these 'cities' have a population greater than or equal to half of the population of Townsville?

c) how many of these 'cities' are located outside the southern half of France?

d) how many of these 'cities' are located outside the south-western quarter of France?

Bigger place in its respective nation's sporting consciousness - Matter of opinion.

One you're likely to share if you've any idea what you're talking about.

 

[Brownie.Kougari]

Top 14 08/09
Bayonne
Biarritz
Bourgoin-Jallieu
Brive
Castres
Clermont-Ferrand
Dax
Montauban
Mont-de-Marson
Montpellier
Paris
Perpignan
Toulon
Toulouse

According to our French comrades the Dragons have pretty much taken over Perpignan. It is now RL territory apparently

 

[In-goal]

Some of you fools are blinded by your own ignorence to anything offered by other sports.

Please WTFU and take note that the NRL is no longer the premier Rugby competition in the world.

Who gives a toss, just get your lazy Sydney mates to games.

 

[Nook]

Some of you fools are blinded by your own ignorence to anything offered by other sports.

Best. Sentence. Ever. :lol:

 

[mangeur de grenouilles]

According to our the Dragons have pretty much taken over Perpignan. It is now RL territory apparently

I think that your French comrades should stop being on drugs. Dragons catalan are in rugby union territory. Usap has a better average than Dragon, moreover they enlarge their stadium. At the same time it's logical, this club is only a recent artificial creation. Nevertheless to the everyday life they live on enemy territory.And they undergo the consequences.(regular fiscal controls, pressures on their sponsor, etc...)
And that could be the worse. In certain places, union leaders press city halls, to forbid stadiums to the rugby league clubs. And these undergo sometimes even threats. With even not 10 000 graduates for rugby league, and more than 300 000 for rugby union, and all their leaders placed well in politics, it's logical.


Now to return to the French rugby union there, this one is the second sport watched in France.
But the championship remains especially looked by the supporters of this sport (except during the playoff). That's why this one contains many of small cities and particularly in the south of France. But things are changing little by little. Only the national team attracts the general public during the 6 nations and the world cup.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=mOiDV-1FNg4&feature=related