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NRL to consider handing back the game to clubs

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THE NRL will consider handing over ownership of the competition to its clubs in the biggest structural overhaul of its history, league chief David Gallop has revealed in Rugby League Week magazine.
News Limited (the publisher of The Daily Telegraph) and the Australian Rugby League have been co-owners of the NRL since 1998 but a sub-committee is looking at a new structure which would give both organisations the chance to eliminate or reduce their involvement.
Members of that sub-committee had hoped to keep the dramatic plan secret but South Sydney owner Russell Crowe let the cat out of the bag on the Footy Show last week, although he presented the proposal as an mere suggestion.
Gallop admits in RLW that "the idea that clubs become direct owners of the NRL is one that is currently being looked at''.
"The equity in the NRL would be an asset added to each club's balance sheet.'' Gallop said. "I'm sure Russell's ideas will be taken on board.''

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,25203983-5006066,00.html

hopefully this is what we have been waiting for , news ltd going!
 

Lego_Man

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I would suggest that 51% of the game (at least) still be owned by the ARL. We dont want a position where we have the clubs going crazy with harebrained schemes that will only benefit their short term interests (or in fact be detrimental). You dont want lunatics like Fitzgerald running the asylum. The ARL can and will play hardball with issues like rules, maintaining the integrity of Origin and Internationals etc.
 

Scorpio30

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I would suggest that 51% of the game (at least) still be owned by the ARL. We dont want a position where we have the clubs going crazy with harebrained schemes that will only benefit their short term interests (or in fact be detrimental). You dont want lunatics like Fitzgerald running the asylum. The ARL can and will play hardball with issues like rules, maintaining the integrity of Origin and Internationals etc.

Exactly. What would happen with expansion plans.
 

Lego_Man

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Exactly - you'd have factionalism rampant and i'm not confident that much good would come of it. No team would want extra competition in their region so you'd have powerful teams like Brisbane vetoing or strangling new clubs in SE Queensland. The Warriors wouldnt be keen on a new Wellington side either.

The custodians of the game of rugby league in Australia (ie the ARL) should be the dominant power. We do need that part of the game to be more business savvy in the administration though.
 

drake

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I would suggest that 51% of the game (at least) still be owned by the ARL. We dont want a position where we have the clubs going crazy with harebrained schemes that will only benefit their short term interests (or in fact be detrimental). You dont want lunatics like Fitzgerald running the asylum. The ARL can and will play hardball with issues like rules, maintaining the integrity of Origin and Internationals etc.
I'll be very glad to see News gone, but I agree, there must be an independant body that will look after the sport, not just the first grade clubs' interests.
 

Dr Crane

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I would suggest that 51% of the game (at least) still be owned by the ARL. We dont want a position where we have the clubs going crazy with harebrained schemes that will only benefit their short term interests (or in fact be detrimental). You dont want lunatics like Fitzgerald running the asylum. The ARL can and will play hardball with issues like rules, maintaining the integrity of Origin and Internationals etc.

exactly. what we want, what we've been missing is a strong governing body that will stand up to everyone.

this would not happen if you whimsically handed the game to the clubs.
 

Pierced Soul

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i agree with the above sentiments. i also think news having less involvement is a very good thing. be interesting to see what other proposals come up regarding ownership
 

Noa

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I would suggest that 51% of the game (at least) still be owned by the ARL. We dont want a position where we have the clubs going crazy with harebrained schemes that will only benefit their short term interests (or in fact be detrimental). You dont want lunatics like Fitzgerald running the asylum. The ARL can and will play hardball with issues like rules, maintaining the integrity of Origin and Internationals etc.

The ARL needs to make a commitment to overhaul its antiquated structure first, plus do you really want Colin Love & Geoff Carr running the game.
 

joshreading

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Anyone who thinks the ARL is going to run the comp with a sense of true professionalism is deluded. The ARL is effectively an arm of the NSWRL. Its structures and culture is a basketcase. News should go as well and bring in an independant commission based board.

A club 'owned' NRL would soon turn into Super League take Two.

Think Melbourne, Brisbane, Warriors Titans, Bulldogs etc. pushing for expansion whilst many Sydney clubs push to never expand again. Clubs of every sort and area protecting their own interests before the games.
 

sharko

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I think a simple proposition would be that clubs have to give a guaranteed business plan including projected reveues and how they intend to foster juniors and crowds etc in their region etc for up to a decade. These plans can then be vetted by independent experts etc.
Any other clubs or regions who wish to participate can also lodge expressions of interest..if they have the structure and money then they can be permitted to a field a team.
It is time for the old style management of legaue teams to be moved on and genuine professionals take over to grow the clubs.
 

Dogaholic

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Anyone who thinks the ARL is going to run the comp with a sense of true professionalism is deluded. The ARL is effectively an arm of the NSWRL. Its structures and culture is a basketcase. News should go as well and bring in an independant commission based board.

A club 'owned' NRL would soon turn into Super League take Two.

Think Melbourne, Brisbane, Warriors Titans, Bulldogs etc. pushing for expansion whilst many Sydney clubs push to never expand again. Clubs of every sort and area protecting their own interests before the games.

If Roosters and Manly had their way they would have been the only Sydney teams. God bless Super League. Saved my club :)
 

aussie_q_factor

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I'll be very glad to see News gone, but I agree, there must be an independant body that will look after the sport, not just the first grade clubs' interests.

I fear this could actually do more harm than good if the clubs are able to wield too much power. Definitely need an independant board to ensure the best interests of the game are upheld, and not the best interests of a club.

The entire Rugby League set-up in Australia needs a drastic overhaul, not just the NRL eg. NRL, ARL, NSWRL, CRL, QRL, BRL etc.....
 
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If Roosters and Manly had their way they would have been the only Sydney teams. God bless Super League. Saved my club :)



Do you still fall for that SL propaganda drivel? Or is it just the club's pathetic justification of accepting the filthy Murdoch dollar?
Maintain the rage mate. I do.
 
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Interesting reading peoples opinions regarding the clubs involvment.

but you have to remember one thing. The power of any new Admin has to come from somewhere , you cant just appoint a whole new body without any oversight.

In the USA the sports are run by a commisioner who is basically there at the behest of the clubs. This is the model i would imagine it would follow.

I understand the arguments about self interest , but that already exists and has always under previous structures.
 
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If Roosters and Manly had their way they would have been the only Sydney teams. God bless Super League. Saved my club :)


incase you didnt realise it was Ken Arthurson ( manly) and John Quayle ( roosters) who expanded the sydney comp.

So yeah it was all Super league :crazy:
 

Danish

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The NFL is owned by its teams, why would it not work here??

Providing all teams are given an equal voting right, then we would certainly see things go the right way. Brisbane would not have any power to stop another SEQLD team, as they would be outnumbered at the table.

Sydney teams could not save each other from relocation, as the interstate teams are now equal to the amount of sydney-based clubs, and as such only a single vote would be required to force such decisions.

After a decade or so the teams would naturally spread out across the country until the balance of power for each faction (QLD, Sydney, Vic/SA/WA, NZ) would be equal.

It would all be driven by the clubs chasing the TV dollar. We all know that to gain $1 billion deals you need a true national presence. I really doubt too many sydney clubs would fight for the sharks to stay in cronulla if pushing them to perth or Adelaide would net them a few million bucks in their pockets.
 
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The NFL is owned by its teams, why would it not work here??

Providing all teams are given an equal voting right, then we would certainly see things go the right way. Brisbane would not have any power to stop another SEQLD team, as they would be outnumbered at the table.

Sydney teams could not save each other from relocation, as the interstate teams are now equal to the amount of sydney-based clubs, and as such only a single vote would be required to force such decisions.

After a decade or so the teams would naturally spread out across the country until the balance of power for each faction (QLD, Sydney, Vic/SA/WA, NZ) would be equal.

It would all be driven by the clubs chasing the TV dollar. We all know that to gain $1 billion deals you need a true national presence. I really doubt too many sydney clubs would fight for the sharks to stay in cronulla if pushing them to perth or Adelaide would net them a few million bucks in their pockets.

Bravo. Thankyou, Danish.

Apart from the ethical implications, good old aussie rightfulness, and relief, the tactical advantages achieved by this up-coming overhaul are enormous.

And I believe it will be a part of an overhaul. This whole clubs owning the nrl thing is great, and its the exact direction that nearly everyone theorises, and phrophecies, and gut-level-feeling-knows that will enable rugby league to take off here like never before.

lets hope its the path they take.

In the SMH article (i have not recently, and will not again read RLW) Gallop said "The equity in the NRL would be an asset added to each club's balance sheet."


Money is exactly what we need. With money you can increase your operations and have a truly influencial reach. Stadium, juniors, memberships, community involvement on greater scales. Broke sydney clubs have no chance to do anything.

In regards to sydney teams, this is perhaps another nail in their coffin. They are like cane toads....you can kick them a few times really hard, but after a while they suck up their guts, forgive a broken leg, and hop away....except you actually want to send the buggers back to hawaii, or in this case, hell. Forgive the language, but the eventual even-spread of the competion from east coast to west coast (though the majority of teams will be east coast) is inevitable and highly lucratice thus allowing leagues influence to soar to great heights and make it the number one sport....but everyone is clammering away from the edge, as there can be only 12-14 of the current teams to 'make it'.

Hopefully there will be more details this season of a new structure. At the heart of any successful system would need to be a dash of interdependency. The NFL system sounds very workable. After all, the broncos are based on nfl clubs, and they command the greatest amount of power of any Australian football club (any code).

I came on here once suggesting things like the above, and every person thought i was trying to make the nrl american football, and got upset about franchises and cutting teams....but the reality is people "do you want a powerful competition that can influence a nation and make league the number one sport for the current generation and all future generations....or do you want to die a slow death and wither away before too long, and have people laugh about how you could have done things differently and then watch everyone play other sports (smudge all that up because it would be a complex and dark mess you dont want to live through)....

my vote is to let league live. and prosper.
 
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coach

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Of course each club will be able to set aside there own self interests. Do we have a board along the lines of the old NSWRL where each club had a member on that board. When we had some teams voting in blocks all because they hated another team.

I like the idea of returning the ownership of the game back to where it belongs but it has to be done in the right way.
 

Perth Red

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Lunatics taking over the asylum? Out of the frying pan into the fire? What a frickin stupid idea. A lot of clubs can't even run themselves succesfully let alone the whole comp!

Just have an independent body running the NRL like the AFL do. It has worked extremely well for them and has reduced massively the influence of powerful clubs on decions that may be detrimental to smaller clubs or the game as a whole.

Why o why is such a great game saddled with such incompetence????
 

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