NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Perth Red]

Isn't Peter Holmes-a-Court from Perth?

yes

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yes

Maybe Perth RL fans felt a connection to the club because of Peter Holmes-a-Court. If Peter Cumin and other WA businessmen bought into a Sydney club they could maybe relocate it to Perth over time.

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe Perth RL fans felt a connection to the club because of Peter Holmes-a-Court. If Peter Cumin and other WA businessmen bought into a Sydney club they could maybe relocate it to Perth over time.

most people here have no idea Peter Holmes a court exists let alone had anything to do with a club in Sydney years ago.

Yeh as a succesful businessman I’m going to blow my hard earned on a club in Sydney in the very far fetched hope I could move them in years to come lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

most people here have no idea Peter Holmes a court exists let alone had anything to do with a club in Sydney years ago.

Yeh as a succesful businessman I’m going to blow my hard earned on a club in Sydney in the very far fetched hope I could move them in years to come lol

Fair points. It's a pity the QRL doesn't have a vision to make the Queensland Cup a truly national competition, as it would improve the game's profile in Adelaide and Perth. Over time it would force the NRL to bite the bullet and become national.

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting that nzru is about to get a massive cash injection from selling some of their future rights revenue to an equity company. A $387million war chest gives them some serious funding to shore up union there, wonder if it will impact nzrl long term?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...JUjy3aGWt71YVRqc6xIA2tM6DPfofrjVV1Ozp0MYC1Nz8

 

[flippikat]

Fair points. It's a pity the QRL doesn't have a vision to make the Queensland Cup a truly national competition, as it would improve the game's profile in Adelaide and Perth. Over time it would force the NRL to bite the bullet and become national.

Queensland Cup becoming a virtual rival league to the NRL & forcing the NRL's hand on expansion? Pretty far fetched, but one of those nifty "alternate universe" scenarios..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Queensland Cup becoming a virtual rival league to the NRL & forcing the NRL's hand on expansion? Pretty far fetched, but one of those nifty "alternate universe" scenarios..

It would be cheaper to run a club in it and help give locals from Adelaide and Perth something to aim for.

It would be great if the QRL, NZRL and PNGRFL could form an affiliation.

 

[Perth Red]

It would be cheaper to run a club in it and help give locals from Adelaide and Perth something to aim for.

It would be great if the QRL, NZRL and PNGRFL could form an affiliation.

problem is it doesn’t generate any significant revenue. How many qrl clubs would exist if they weren’t being funded by pokies or an nrl club? PNG are only still in as they got bailed out by govt grant and nrl funding. I think I read it costs around $3-$5million to run a qrl comp club. Given Perth and Adelaide would need to import players to be competitive and won’t have the attraction of being part of a nrl pathway club so will find it hard to attract and retain the best players they would end up whipping boys. It’s hard to see how it would be sustainable.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

problem is it doesn’t generate any significant revenue. How many qrl clubs would exist if they weren’t being funded by pokies or an nrl club? PNG are only still in as they got bailed out by govt grant and nrl funding. I think I read it costs around $3-$5million to run a qrl comp club. Given Perth and Adelaide would need to import players to be competitive and won’t have the attraction of being part of a nrl pathway club so will find it hard to attract and retain the best players they would end up whipping boys. It’s hard to see how it would be sustainable.

I'd like to see the Queensland Cup distance itself from the NRL. We need a Super League 2.

 

[Perth Red]

I'd like to see the Queensland Cup distance itself from the NRL. We need a Super League 2.

Wont happen, clubs get around $500k grant each from nrl to keep them compliant.

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL’s proposed conference system and expansion plan to add a second team from New Zealand will face several challenges, not least of which is that there are no current bidders to set up a franchise across the Tasman.

The governing body has flagged the prospect of expanding the competition to as many as 18 teams, with a decision whether to include another Queensland-based franchise to be made in July. League powerbrokers have indicated that another New Zealand-based franchise could be added shortly afterwards, giving the competition an even number of teams that could possibly be split into conferences.


Wellington and Christchurch would appear to be the most logical locations for another side given the Warriors are already based in Auckland. However, officials from both those regions were unaware of any consortiums being assembled with a view to seeking an NRL license.

Robert Picone was one of the parties behind a Wellington-based bid team dubbed the South Pacific Cyclones. They had floated a plan several years ago to play matches out of Fiji and Wellington, but Picone said that bid had now been aborted.


New Zealand Rugby League chief executive Greg Peters welcomed the prospect of an additional New Zealand franchise as a “fantastic development”. However, he was unaware of any active bidders and cautioned that it would take several years before the nation was ready for expansion.



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pl...rl-team-faces-challenges-20210429-p57nlt.html

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The NRL’s proposed conference system and expansion plan to add a second team from New Zealand will face several challenges, not least of which is that there are no current bidders to set up a franchise across the Tasman.

The governing body has flagged the prospect of expanding the competition to as many as 18 teams, with a decision whether to include another Queensland-based franchise to be made in July. League powerbrokers have indicated that another New Zealand-based franchise could be added shortly afterwards, giving the competition an even number of teams that could possibly be split into conferences.


Wellington and Christchurch would appear to be the most logical locations for another side given the Warriors are already based in Auckland. However, officials from both those regions were unaware of any consortiums being assembled with a view to seeking an NRL license.

Robert Picone was one of the parties behind a Wellington-based bid team dubbed the South Pacific Cyclones. They had floated a plan several years ago to play matches out of Fiji and Wellington, but Picone said that bid had now been aborted.


New Zealand Rugby League chief executive Greg Peters welcomed the prospect of an additional New Zealand franchise as a “fantastic development”. However, he was unaware of any active bidders and cautioned that it would take several years before the nation was ready for expansion.



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pl...rl-team-faces-challenges-20210429-p57nlt.html

Brisbane is the only place ready for the 17th and 18th licences.

 

[The Great Dane]

The NRL’s proposed conference system and expansion plan to add a second team from New Zealand will face several challenges, not least of which is that there are no current bidders to set up a franchise across the Tasman.

The governing body has flagged the prospect of expanding the competition to as many as 18 teams, with a decision whether to include another Queensland-based franchise to be made in July. League powerbrokers have indicated that another New Zealand-based franchise could be added shortly afterwards, giving the competition an even number of teams that could possibly be split into conferences.


Wellington and Christchurch would appear to be the most logical locations for another side given the Warriors are already based in Auckland. However, officials from both those regions were unaware of any consortiums being assembled with a view to seeking an NRL license.

Robert Picone was one of the parties behind a Wellington-based bid team dubbed the South Pacific Cyclones. They had floated a plan several years ago to play matches out of Fiji and Wellington, but Picone said that bid had now been aborted.


New Zealand Rugby League chief executive Greg Peters welcomed the prospect of an additional New Zealand franchise as a “fantastic development”. However, he was unaware of any active bidders and cautioned that it would take several years before the nation was ready for expansion.



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pl...rl-team-faces-challenges-20210429-p57nlt.html

I’ll say it again; if the NRL really wants a second side in NZ they could do it easily.

There are more ways to get a club off the ground than just waiting for a bidder to come along.

 

[MugaB]

I’ll say it again; if the NRL really wants a second side in NZ they could do it easily.

Their are more ways to get a club off the ground than just waiting for a bidder to come along.

This is exactly what I've been saying, im not sure there was a bid in Melbourne back in 1997, yet they plonked it there and off it went, not saying its a great choice to just follow this idea, but if they want a 2nd NZ team, they'll just do it..
I'm also pretty sure its a 2nd Auckland side, one that has pathways stemming from the P.I.s

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm also pretty sure its a 2nd Auckland side, one that has pathways stemming from the P.I.s

A second club in Auckland is a fantastically terrible idea considering the Warriors position.

Also ethnic clubs are always a bad idea. So hard pass on a PI club based in Auckland, and you don’t need an “Islander club” to build extensive pathways from the PIs into the NRL.

 

[MugaB]

A second club in Auckland is a fantastically terrible idea considering the Warriors position.

Also ethnic clubs are always a bad idea. So hard pass on a PI club based in Auckland, and you don’t need an “Islander club” to build extensive pathways from the PIs into the NRL.

Its not an "ethnic club" its just one where all the players from the Pacific islands can be promoted to.
A bit like the Panthers with the central west tablelands at the moment, no one is saying the players all have to be from those areas, its just a good way to promote players from the silktails or any of the other local island teams, if they set up an acedemy in auckland.
I know its easier to just pick Christchurch or Wellington and say thats the spot, but Auckland is league central in NZ, its the better city for it

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

New Zealand provides plenty of talent for the NRL, so I can see the logic in putting a 2nd team there. But if PVL is fair dinkum about the "business case" needing to stack up, then Brisbane 3 and Perth would be ahead of NZ 2, as we all know the NRL has a shit record with expansion. Melbourne succeeded because News Ltd owned the game in 1998 and wanted them to survive and thrive.

 

[mongoose]

New Zealand provides plenty of talent for the NRL, so I can see the logic in putting a 2nd team there. But if PVL is fair dinkum about the "business case" needing to stack up, then Brisbane 3 and Perth would be ahead of NZ 2, as we all know the NRL has a shit record with expansion. Melbourne succeeded because News Ltd owned the game in 1998 and wanted them to survive and thrive.

If it has a "shit record" it's because of Super league, no other reason. The foundation clubs have an even shitter record, Norths - gone, Wests and Balmain - merged, Souths - kicked out then came back, Newtown - long gone...

 

[Pippen94]

New Zealand provides plenty of talent for the NRL, so I can see the logic in putting a 2nd team there. But if PVL is fair dinkum about the "business case" needing to stack up, then Brisbane 3 and Perth would be ahead of NZ 2, as we all know the NRL has a shit record with expansion. Melbourne succeeded because News Ltd owned the game in 1998 and wanted them to survive and thrive.

What's business case for Perth??

 

[Perth Red]

What's business case for Perth??

A number of millionaires willing to invest, nrl reaching a new population of over 2.2million and growing, a very supportive state govt that you could leverage for facilities good stadium deal etc, sponsors getting exposure in one of Australia’s richest cities, corporate support from some of biggest companies in Australia that are looking for a better vehicle to reach nsw and qlnd audiences, increased nrl sponsorship from companies wanting to reach an extra 10% of the population. A proven active fanbase of over 20k rugby league fans that would back the club.

The tv value will be in the extra content and that will be there regardless of who the 18th club is. So far all I’ve heard about nz2 is that nrl would have to pump millions more than the grant in to make it viable.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wa...7gz64LO4OH2QTpBlhrbNZ8_Qz9ELCYG3T4hycGkRpSDME