NSW 2019

[TheFrog]

Cleary does f**k all and keeps his spot.

Cleary has won a series and thus has runs on the board, and he didn't do f**k all, that was Walker. I would have kept Walker at least for this game but given him explicit instructions to pass to the outside backs. It's a panic move to dump him and would have been equally so to dump Cleary.

 

[OldPanther]

Wow a halfback actually got a try assist, all good then

I suppose with that and his heroic effort against Parramatta diving on a loose ball to score he's truly earned that spot.

My main point is that it appears that Freddy is looking for the effort rather than flashy. Both is good but if he only has one he's taking effort.

Cleary went back and did better than his game 1. What did Walker do? Sweet f**k all.

 

[big hit!]

This is why he's there along with his defence/kicking. He also got a try assist, ran for 100m+ in the game against Souths.

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you'll find a similar article about intensity on nrl.com a couple of years ago re Pearce. running headless from one side of the ruck and back and not doing much in terms of taking on the opposition with ball can up that count. carry metres, passes, assists, and other stats are a bit better on influence on the game.

I'm in S&C, and the internsity number can be misleading. it tells you is the average metres covered for every minute he was on, relative to the time other players he was on. it doesn't mention what part of that are sprint metres, high speed running metres, low-speed running metres, walking metres. all it says is that he was moving. much of that was without the ball as he went missing in the second half and barely touched the ball when he had to direct the team. Halves ultimately need to organise and direct.

He gets another go, and for NSW to level the series, he needs to do a little more than top metres (i hope).

 

[OldPanther]

you'll find a similar article about intensity on nrl.com a couple of years ago re Pearce.

I'm in S&C, and that number can be misleading. all it really tells you is the metres covered for every minute he was on, relative to the time other players he was on. it doesn't mention what part of that are sprint metres, high speed running metres, low-speed running metres, walking metres. all it tells you is that he was moving. much of that was without the ball as he went missing in the second half and barely touched the ball when he had to direct the team. Halves ultimately need to organise and direct.

He gets another go, and for NSW to level the series, he needs to do a little more than top metres

It's metres per minute which means he was moving further at a higher rate.

Regardless it's not a direct argument for Cleary rather a look at what Fittler is going for in his selection philosophy.

My main point is that it appears that Freddy is looking for the effort rather than flashy. Both is good but if he only has one he's taking effort.

 

[RecordBreakingMaroons.]

I feel sorry for NSW. A series win got your hopes up. The trouble is that neither imitation nor strategy can replicate what the Maroons have mostly bottled over the last decade and more.

The QLD team will be tighter and tougher for two halves of the game. Don't expect any of your fancy running attack to gain any traction. QLD are going to chop you down like firewood. Game 1 was the best you'll produce.

 

[Scotty03]

Right so we pick a halfback so they can tackle.

No one is putting an entire series on one bloke. This is the same argument people used to use for Pearce 'it's not all his fault'. No, it isn't. The problem is that everyone else got dropped but Pearce was never dropped until he f**ked up off the field. With Cleary it's the same - Walker is hooked after half a game, our most promising player is dropped after one bad game, Cleary does f**k all and keeps his spot.

I think your missing the point in why some of those guys were dropped. In 1 word - EFFORT.

Freddy has made this 1 word his entire mantra this year. Its the 1 thing he's asked of all his players. Complete on everything and the rest will come.

Everyone that was dropped (Morris was the exception and forced changes due to injury) in my opinion didn't deliver on EFFORT.

You keep saying Cleary does F all and keeps his spot. How does a halfback that did EXACTLY what was asked of him do F all? Makes huge amount of tackles, no errors, kicks all game long, competes on every play and keep his effort and intensity up all game - how does his equate to F all?

Walker got hooked because he didn't deliver on his personal game plan. Cleary did.

The so called "next Inglis" got hooked because he showed no effort.

I thought people would understand by now Origin is less about individual skill and more about effort and the willingness to never give up.

There have been decades of teams with less "skill" that have won big origins due to this alone.

 

[The unknown]

A halfback should never have 0s. Saying now he is only being picked for his effort game and not for his overall game sounds like a desperation to protect the kid

So if NSW lose once again, Cleary plods along and say Maloney scores a try, and sets up 2 he is destined to be the scapegoat because Cleary has been assigned the role of "Effort man".

FFS the kids biggest origin highlight in 4 games is a regulation legs tackle on Greg Inglis

Look at the game the QLD halves played, sure they are a bit more experienced but that should be the reg an origin standard halfback should play. Simple answer - Cleary just isn't in the same class

 

[Dave's mate]

Freddy and the forwards lost game 1

 

[The unknown]

Freddy and the forwards lost game 1

Lol

In the 1st half where we actually dominated, out of our spine only Cook and teddy went looking for the ball

It says a lot about your halves when your 1 and 9 are more creative with the ball

 

[OldPanther]

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A halfback should never have 0s. Saying now he is only being picked for his effort game and not for his overall game sounds like a desperation to protect the kid

So if NSW lose once again, Cleary plods along and say Maloney scores a try, and sets up 2 he is destined to be the scapegoat because Cleary has been assigned the role of "Effort man".

FFS the kids biggest origin highlight in 4 games is a regulation legs tackle on Greg Inglis

Look at the game the QLD halves played, sure they are a bit more experienced but that should be the reg an origin standard halfback should play. Simple answer - Cleary just isn't in the same class

Fittler has directly spoken about effort with multiple players including Cleary.

Yeah a halfback should have more and he's gone back after game 1 and improved each week. Walker didn't do that. If Cleary turns up with the attirude and Play like the Souths game NSW fans will be very happy with him. On the flip side if he doesn't it'll be hard for them to keep selecting him with the pressure they're already getting from fans about him.

 

[TheFrog]

If Cleary turns up with the attirude and Play like the Souths game NSW fans will be very happy with him.

He could have four tries, 12 goals, 6 try assists, and sell hotdogs at half time and some people wouldn't be satisfied.

 

[isaiah]

Freddy and the forwards lost game 1

I loved that set of six early in the second half when you couldn’t get to the 20. Seemed like we had 18 defenders.

 

[BranVan3000]

He could have four tries, 12 goals, 6 try assists, and sell hotdogs at half time and some people wouldn't be satisfied.

NSW don’t want to dislike Cleary - we are just realistic that he has done nothing and have experienced a decade of shit performance that can be tied back to nepotism

 

[ram raid]

Everyone lorded Freddy last year for freshening up the team and giving it some edge .. now he loses one game and forgets his balls and picks a safe Laurie Daley type side. You suck, Freddy.

 

[betcats]

Everyone lorded Freddy last year for freshening up the team and giving it some edge .. now he loses one game and forgets his balls and picks a safe Laurie Daley type side. You suck, Freddy.

Laurie Daley never would of dropped so many blokes and Fitler has taken a number of risks here, its not a safe side at all.

 

[ram raid]

Laurie Daley never would of dropped so many blokes and Fitler has taken a number of risks here, its not a safe side at all.

Perhaps not, but he 'reasons' that it's safe. The fact that it's not just make it all the more embarrassing.

 

[betcats]

Perhaps not, but he 'reasons' that it's safe. The fact that it's not just make it all the more embarrassing.

Well I don't know what his reasoning is but if he doesn't win hes going to get killed for this side he has picked.

 

[TheFrog]

Everyone lorded Freddy last year for freshening up the team and giving it some edge .. now he loses one game and forgets his balls and picks a safe Laurie Daley type side. You suck, Freddy.

Not much talk of soaking up minerals this year.

 

[newyboy]

The Blues are like the Australian Cricket team. If you play one good game, you are in for life and if you start to play bad, It's ok you can find form whilst still remaining in the team.

RE: Cleary.

 

[TheFrog]

The Blues are like the Australian Cricket team. If you play one good game, you are in for life and if you start to play bad, It's ok you can find form whilst still remaining in the team.

RE: Cleary.

I know mate, you wanted your boy in there, but he's played 18 Origins already and never won a series. Not a sausage, and it's damaged his head. At least he's intelligent enough to know the jig is up, even if most of the media aren't. Cleary is 1 from 1 and still cretins like you are tearing into him, even though he's the last man standing.

It might help you understand how others felt when M Pearce continued to be named year in and year out.

NSW don’t want to dislike Cleary - we are just realistic that he has done nothing and have experienced a decade of shit performance that can be tied back to nepotism

So he has to bear the cross of Pearce, even though he won last year and he still might win this year. Some people are pretty unreasonable. Maybe you should wait until he loses one series at least before comparing him with The Great Failure.