NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[Paullyboy]

good decision

it's time NSW clubs stop strengthining the QLD comp and weaking the NSW comp

Canberra is not a NSW club

 

[El Diablo]

there's an NRL club called Manly in the same boat, although I'm hearing that they've already stitched a deal with Mounties to field a side in next years comp and i'm expecting Parra to knock that on the head as they should.

sounds like the swifty the Sharks tried

 

[El Diablo]

Canberra is not a NSW club

how many of their junior clubs are in NSW?

 

[griff]

Canberra is not a NSW club

yes it is.

Canberra is a club under the auspices of the NSWRL.

The Canberra Raiders Cup functions as a group in the CRL system, and rep players are picked for Monaro.

 

[ianlovesparra]

Well get off your ass and make the NSW Cup comp stronger and take it more seriously and then NSW teams wont need to be linked with the QLD Cup.

 

[skeepe]

Well get off your ass and make the NSW Cup comp stronger and take it more seriously and then NSW teams wont need to be linked with the QLD Cup.

That's the thing though. The Raiders have been linked with Souths Logan long before this convoluted NSW Cup thing was even on the radar.

I really don't see why they can't maintain an historical link with a club simply because they're an hour over the border.

The Raiders can't afford to run their own team in the NSW cup, they can afford to support one existing team. If they are forced to support a team in the NSW cup (and I'd really like someone to explain how this is possible, given ALL teams in the NSW cup are currently linked to NRL teams), they will have to forego the link with Souths Logan. This will kill the Magpies.

Anyone supporting this decision supports killing grassroots clubs due to the incompetence of the NSWRL.

 

[westie]

Luckily a lot of people in league are starting to realise what a f**k up it was making Jersey Flegg the second, and only other viable tier. Forcing clubs to play in a competition they can't afford because of the leagues' f**k-ups is not the right answer.

Providing a viable competition they clubs actually want to compete in, is.

 

[Copa]

''The Australian Rugby League now has a rule in place that if you're a NSW-based player you're required to play in NSW.

The Raider are not a NSW based club.

ffs ... get the simple stuff right..

 

[Bluebags1908]

NSWRL boss Geoff Carr says any Canberra Raiders player who appears in a Queensland Cup match next year will be barred from the NRL for the remainder of the season.
Carr has stepped up his bid to force the Raiders to compete in the NSW Cup next season, a move that will almost certainly cause Canberra's Queensland Cup feeder side Souths Logan to fold.

Speaking at yesterday's NSW Cup launch, the NSWRL and ARL chief executive said the Raiders would not be permitted to send excess players to Souths Logan once their current deal expires at season's end.

They must instead enter their own team in the NSW Cup, or form an alliance with an existing NSW-based club that would then enter the state's premier over-age competition.

''We've got a commitment to have NSW players play in NSW,'' Carr told The Canberra Times yesterday.

''The Australian Rugby League now has a rule in place that if you're a NSW-based player you're required to play in NSW.

''You can't go back and forth. We're not opposed to NRL clubs supporting Queensland Cup sides, but when the players go up there they can't come back.

''Once a player participates in a competition up there that's where he stays for the season.''

Raiders chief executive Don Furner was shocked when The Canberra Times informed him of Carr's threat.

Furner is adamant the Raiders are best served sending their excess players to Souths Logan, an arrangement they have had in place since the Premier League competition was axed at the end of the 2008 season.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/new...wrl-calls-on-raiders-to-quit-qld/1768196.aspx

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This is bad news for both the Raiders (with Souths Logan) and Manly (with Sunshine Coast). But more importantly shows how inept Carr and his ARL friends really are. They are essentially going to kill two previously-successful rugby league clubs (in areas of very high population growth) so that they can try and create a slightly more competitive 3rd tier competition in NSW.

Ridiculous.

Sorry, but I fully support the stance taken by the NSWRL. Can you imagine the Broncos and Cowboys having Sydney-based feeder teams?

Canberra should be fostering development of the game in Southern NSW and ACT and fighting off AFL along the NSW-Vic border, not in Queensland.

 

[butchmcdick]

Sorry, but I fully support the stance taken by the NSWRL. Can you imagine the Broncos and Cowboys having Sydney-based feeder teams?

Canberra should be fostering development of the game in Southern NSW and ACT and fighting off AFL along the NSW-Vic border, not in Queensland.

We did when each club had to field a reserve grade side.

Who the f**k are the NSWRL to force any NRL club to do jack. I hope the raiders tell them to get f**ked.

Perhaps if the NSW cup wasn't an abortion of a competition it wouldn't be an issue

 

[El Diablo]

We did when we used to have each club had to field a reserve grade side.

:lol:

they weren't based in NSW

dickhead

 

[Timmah]

It's not like they're scuttling Souths Logan now. SL now have an opportunity to get in touch with Brisbane or GC and set up a feeder arrangement and have something in place by 2011 kickoff.

In the meantime, why shouldn't Canberra have representation in NSWRL? It makes more sense!

 

[Bluebags1908]

We did when each club had to field a reserve grade side.

Who the f**k are the NSWRL to force any NRL club to do jack. I hope the raiders tell them to get f**ked.

Perhaps if the NSW cup wasn't an abortion of a competition it wouldn't be an issue

'Abortion of a competition'? Every NSW club bar Canberra and Manly have a feeder team in the NSW Cup. So do the maths - that means 9 of the 11 NSW or ACT based teams are in the NSW Cup.

The only 'abortion' I see is Canberra's surrogate mother arrangement with a team in Queensland.

And the NSW can tell Canberra what it damn well likes. They run the NSW Cup.

 

[butchmcdick]

:lol:

they weren't based in NSW

dickhead

Well played El.

Still the comp was based in NSW yes ?

 

[butchmcdick]

'Abortion of a competition'? Every NSW club bar Canberra and Manly have a feeder team in the NSW Cup. So do the maths - that means 9 of the 11 NSW or ACT based teams are in the NSW Cup.

The only 'abortion' I see is Canberra's surrogate mother arrangement with a team in Queensland.

And the NSW can tell Canberra what it damn well likes. They run the NSW Cup.

It seems the raiders are doing just fine in the qld cup so why can't the raiders continue to do so ?

 

[Big Pete]

It's pretty bogus.

Canberra basically made a living off Souths in the 80's. You would never see the likes of Mal Meninga in the NSWRL had it not been for Canberra and their relationship with Souths. Yet now, since the NSW Cup is a steaming pile of s**t they decide to play hard ball.

If the NSWRL wanted to improve they could try and actually make their own competition more legitimate. They have all the old clubs that all you old school RL fans seem to pleasure yourselves over and if they could market that as well as ensure all Sydney (and Melbourne) sides that the competition was worth a damn they wouldn't have to go to this extreme length.

 

[Raidersrawesome]

'Abortion of a competition'? Every NSW club bar Canberra and Manly have a feeder team in the NSW Cup. So do the maths - that means 9 of the 11 NSW or ACT based teams are in the NSW Cup.

The only 'abortion' I see is Canberra's surrogate mother arrangement with a team in Queensland.

And the NSW can tell Canberra what it damn well likes. They run the NSW Cup.

NSW can say what they want , the Raiders are not part of that comp.

 

[skeepe]

It's not like they're scuttling Souths Logan now. SL now have an opportunity to get in touch with Brisbane or GC and set up a feeder arrangement and have something in place by 2011 kickoff.

Quite apart from the fact that both clubs already have enough feeder teams, it's not that simple.

The leagues club is owned by the Raiders, for example.

This has also been more than a 2 year deal like some are making out. The Raiders/Souths connection goes right back to the days of Mal Meninga. Why should they terminate what has been such a mutually beneficial arrangement for such a long time simply because the NSWRL don't know how to run a strong regional competition?

Make no mistake, demanding that the Raiders cut ties with Souths Logan is exactly the same as walking into Souths Logan and demanding that they be shut down.

In the meantime, why shouldn't Canberra have representation in NSWRL? It makes more sense!

Unfortunately, something being regarded as "common sense" by some doesn't mean that the bills are automatically paid. The Raiders have stated several times that they cannot afford to run a club in the NSW Cup.

The juniors from the local area are already well looked after by the Raiders, with a reasonably strong ACT competition and, when they're good enough, they're able to go on and play in a strong over-age competition with a great history in the shape of the Queensland Cup.

It's not a one-way street though, the Raiders do benefit by having access to the Souths Logan juniors, and obviously they would like to keep that association going.

More to the point though, Don Furner has consistently told the NSWRL that if they can provide the Raiders with a viable alternative, then they'll strongly consider it. The fact is that the NSWRL are simply telling Canberra not to link up with Souths Logan, without providing any alternative arrangement whatsoever.

If they are permitted to enforce this ban, the NSW Cup will NOT be getting any stronger - the ACT's Canberra Raiders Cup will instead.

 

[Bluebags1908]

It seems the raiders are doing just fine in the qld cup so why can't the raiders continue to do so ?

I don't think it's 'just fine' at all. Common sense tells you that a NRL club should foster the game in their own district. Go and tell the local Canberra junior league if this arrangeemnt is 'just fine'. Can you imagine if every club did what the Raiders did? Can you imagine the outcry if the Broncos had a Sydney-based feeder team.

If Canberra want to help the game in Queensland instead of NSW and don't want to be in the NSW Cup then the NSWRL should also kick them out of the SG Ball and Harold Matthews junior rep comps and tell them to send those teams to the Queensland junior rep comps as well and you watch the Raiders change their tune.

Canberra can't pick and choose what suits them, and that's what the NSWRL is telling them.

 

[El Diablo]

Well played El.

Still the comp was based in NSW yes ?

so :?

it is not at all similar and was a stupid analogy