NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[Bluebags1908]

Can someone explain to me how taking players from the local district and sending them to play in a much stronger competition is not "fostering the game in their own district"?

The only thing that changes is where they play, the players in the local area that have talent are still getting the exact same chance.

By sending their players to play in the Queensland Cup the Raiders have NO TEAM in the NSW Cup. The very fact there is no team in the NSW Cup playing out of Canberra or Southern NSW and therefore promoting the game in Canberra or Southern NSW is doing damage to the grassroots in that district because they are missing out of hosting a semi-professional open-age team playing, training, and promoting the game in the local community that area. A locally-based semi-professional open age team that's playing standard would stil between the missing void between the local senior Canberra comp, the Under 20's, and the NRL team.

This team could be playing at Seiffert Oval and getting crowds of 2,000-3,000 and going to schools, doing coaching clinics, and inspiring local players but instead there is no team because the players get send to Queensland.

 

[Bluebags1908]

NSW can say what they want , the Raiders are not part of that comp.

Well the NSWRL should tell the Raiders to f**k off their SG Ball and Harold Matthews teams to Queensland too then. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Typical NSWRL. The sooner these decisions are taken away from those seedy merkins the better.

 

[boonboon]

How arrogant of Geoff Carr to say a NSW club - umm the ACT is not part of NSW that is f**king that

 

[VictorTheViking]

Good luck to Carr enforcing such a ban, restraint of trade much?

The raiders have stated when this first came about that if the nswrl could provide a viable alternative that it'd be considered, they haven't.

As for the androtops saying it's a shambles because of the arrangements manly and Canberra have, LMAO, nsw cup was a shambles long before this started, geoff carr never had a f**kin problem with Brisbane playing their "reserves" in qc, they're in a different state after all, as are we.

 

[Ashman]

Why should the Raiders reserves play in the Sydney club competition, because thats all it is. This is NSWRL trying to justify its existance. NSWRL in name, Sydney by nature.

They killed the premier league so the Toyota Cup u20's could start and now their upset the Raiders and Manly send their talent to QLD CUP. Is this why NSW Cup is such an ordinary competition - I don't think so.

The Raiders have a long history with the South Logan Magpies and if they want to send players there they should! The Raiders represent the CRL if anything.

Stuff the NSWRL the old merkins!

 

[siv]

By sending their players to play in the Queensland Cup the Raiders have NO TEAM in the NSW Cup. The very fact there is no team in the NSW Cup playing out of Canberra or Southern NSW and therefore promoting the game in Canberra or Southern NSW is doing damage to the grassroots in that district because they are missing out of hosting a semi-professional open-age team playing, training, and promoting the game in the local community that area. A locally-based semi-professional open age team that's playing standard would stil between the missing void between the local senior Canberra comp, the Under 20's, and the NRL team.

This team could be playing at Seiffert Oval and getting crowds of 2,000-3,000 and going to schools, doing coaching clinics, and inspiring local players but instead there is no team because the players get send to Queensland.

Simple answer is that Canberra should be supporting both Monaro and Riverina regional sides playing in the NSW Cup

 

[siv]

They killed the premier league so the Toyota Cup u20's could start and now their upset the Raiders and Manly send their talent to QLD CUP.

You find in history that the same story occured back when Second Grade reverted from a multi team comp to a district based comp

Then about 5-6 years later - Third Grade did the same thing in 1925

So we have seen the same restructure occur at NRL level - when teh U20's went national

I expect that it won't be long before we will see RG go national - and thus end all of these issues

 

[greeneyed]

The Raiders situation is unique. The Raiders are the only organisation in southern NSW, there is no other team/leagues club to partner with.

What most Sydney teams do is partner with a significant local leagues club in their district and share the costs. It makes sense... they promote rugby league in their own backyards, but don't face the full costs of running a team in NSW Cup.

What the NSWRL is saying is that the Raiders should go invest in an overcrowded Sydney market (benefit: Sydney clubs in the relevant district) OR face the full costs of running a team out of Canberra (ie putting them at direct financial disadvantage compared to Sydney NRL teams). Because that's the only other option. The Raiders run all the major leagues clubs in its own district. There is no one to share the costs with.

It can be done in Brisbane, with Souths Logan. Brisbane and Gold Coast have multiple links to clubs in Q Cup in SE Qld, but the assistance they can provide to those clubs is spread very thin. Souths Logan need the help; not only that, the Raiders own a sports club in the Logan district. It is actually quite sensible. Not only do Souths Logan benefit (they'd fall over without the Raiders, as mentioned), but the Raiders benefit from linking to a strong junior area.

It is hardly like the Raiders don't support junior development in southern NSW. The Raiders do a whole lot more than most Sydney clubs would do - because they are a development club. Lots of investment in the Canberrra Raiders Cup competition (nothing on this scale would be supported by any Sydney club), as well as support for development on the far south coast, the Monaro, the Riverina.

What's been done makes a lot of sense. And now, the NSWRL will see Souths Logan close its doors (there is no alternative up there... the two NRL teams in SE Qld are already over committed to links with local clubs). The NSWRL wants to force the Raiders face costs the Sydney clubs don't face in running a full second tier team (you know, the ones who killed Premier League for the same reason, cause they didn't want to run full reserve grade sides). The NSWRL wants to cut off a junior development opportunity for Canberra - a team heavily dependent on developing juniors - and its efforts won't readily be taken up by anyone else in Qld. I am continually surprised at the incompetence of the NSWRL, and the sooner they can't take any decisions in relation to the running of the game, the better.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Well the NSWRL should tell the Raiders to f**k off their SG Ball and Harold Matthews teams to Queensland too then. You can't have it both ways.

Funny how they didn't care that the NQ Young Guns used to play in NSW comps and the Titans play in the SG Ball and HM comps now...

 

[myanonymoususername]

By sending their players to play in the Queensland Cup the Raiders have NO TEAM in the NSW Cup. The very fact there is no team in the NSW Cup playing out of Canberra or Southern NSW and therefore promoting the game in Canberra or Southern NSW is doing damage to the grassroots in that district because they are missing out of hosting a semi-professional open-age team playing, training, and promoting the game in the local community that area. A locally-based semi-professional open age team that's playing standard would stil between the missing void between the local senior Canberra comp, the Under 20's, and the NRL team.

This team could be playing at Seiffert Oval and getting crowds of 2,000-3,000 and going to schools, doing coaching clinics, and inspiring local players but instead there is no team because the players get send to Queensland.

Umm, how much promotional value would Canberra's reserve grade side be in this area? Marginal if anything. Really who cares about NSW Cup except the players and their friends and relatives?

 

[joejoe]

I like how many people talk about "Premier League" being so much better than "NSW Cup"

They are basically the same (Minus a few U20's players)

As for those that knock the quality of the NSW Cup. Have they actually sat down and watched a game. The quality is just as good as the Qld Cup, Premier League or the old Reserve grade comp.

By Canberra having a NSW Cup side, there will be more opportunities for players in the local area to play a higher grade of football.

We must remember Rugby League needs to support every level of football. At the moment, where does a player over 20 who is too good for the local Canberra comp, but not good enough for the NRL go?

Queensland!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that is rediculous?

 

[Walt Flanigan]

We must remember Rugby League needs to support every level of football. At the moment, where does a player over 20 who is too good for the local Canberra comp, but not good enough for the NRL go?

Queensland!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that is rediculous?

You go on about Rugby League needing to support every level of football but you're happy to see a club that produced the likes of Mal Meninga, Peter Jackson and Gary Belcher go belly up because of some short sighted prick who can't run his own competition.

.....and no you aren't the only one who thinks that is ridiculous. There are other idiots who don't get it either.

Read Greeneyed's post for some perspective.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm still struggling to see how this decision benefits anyone? Sounds like pure chest beating by teh NSW as it is a slap in the face to them by Canberra whoa re basically saying the Q'lnd set up is better than the NSW one. That should be no reason for a decision that will force a club to fold and force a NRL club to run without a reserve grade side. I hope a player takes teh ARL to court for restraint of trade and wins.

ps last time I looked Canberra wasn't in NSW so what the frick has it got to do with them anyway?

 

[Bluebags1908]

Funny how they didn't care that the NQ Young Guns used to play in NSW comps and the Titans play in the SG Ball and HM comps now...

It's not the NSWRL's fault that the NQ Young Guns wanted to play in the NSW Cup. Likewise, it's not the QRL's fault the Raiders are tight-arses and are ignoring spending money on fostering Rugby League in their region by getting Souths Logan to pay for the running costs of a feeder team just to save a buck.

I agree the NQ Young Guns should not have played in the NSW Cup and thankfully they are back where they belong in Queensland.

And it's funny how people bag the NSW Cup - yet the NSWRL was still good enough to host NQ Young Guns and Titans junior reps in the past. It's funny how teams outside of NSW (WA Reds, Titans, Young Guns, Auckland Vulcans, Melbourne Storm) come running to the good old NSWRL to play in various comps when it suits them and they have no other place to go.

 

[skeepe]

Here's something people don't seem to understand: regardless of whether the Raiders send their players to Queensland or not, there WILL NOT BE A NSW CUP SIDE BASED IN CANBERRA. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

The Raiders have stated time and again that they do not have the funds to run another team. As such, they will be forced to link up with an existing team, of which there are none available for such an arrangement, or they will be sent back to the Canberra Raiders Cup, a competition that, while good, is several levels below NRL.

Even if a club is found to partner with, I fail to see the difference that throwing players on a 3 hour bus ride to Sydney would make to the local area that would be any different to putting them on a 90 minute flight. That will be the ONLY difference.

 

[Bluebags1908]

Umm, how much promotional value would Canberra's reserve grade side be in this area? Marginal if anything. Really who cares about NSW Cup except the players and their friends and relatives?

Your comment just goes to show you have no idea on the importance of having a semi-professional feeder team based in the district of the NRL team that it is meant to serve. If you can't see the benefits then just give up.

 

[Bluebags1908]

I'm still struggling to see how this decision benefits anyone? Sounds like pure chest beating by teh NSW as it is a slap in the face to them by Canberra whoa re basically saying the Q'lnd set up is better than the NSW one. That should be no reason for a decision that will force a club to fold and force a NRL club to run without a reserve grade side. I hope a player takes teh ARL to court for restraint of trade and wins.

ps last time I looked Canberra wasn't in NSW so what the frick has it got to do with them anyway?

I wonder if you would make such comments as above if it was the WA Reds NRL team that refused to have a WA-based feeder team.

 

[Bluebags1908]

Here's something people don't seem to understand: regardless of whether the Raiders send their players to Queensland or not, there WILL NOT BE A NSW CUP SIDE BASED IN CANBERRA. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

The Raiders have stated time and again that they do not have the funds to run another team. As such, they will be forced to link up with an existing team, of which there are none available for such an arrangement, or they will be sent back to the Canberra Raiders Cup, a competition that, while good, is several levels below NRL.

Even if a club is found to partner with, I fail to see the difference that throwing players on a 3 hour bus ride to Sydney would make to the local area that would be any different to putting them on a 90 minute flight. That will be the ONLY difference.

Yaaaaawwwwnn.

 

[skeepe]

Another thing for people to think about, particularly Bluebags1908. Imagine the roles were reversed and let's say Newtown were a Broncos feeder club as part of an association that stretched back 30 years, and that the Jets would be forced to fold without that support.

Then, the QRL issues an edict identical to what Carr is demanding. This will undoubtedly cause the death of the Jets.

Would you still think it was the right move?