NSW Team 2017

[big hit!]

I'd say that's the opposite of NSW problem. Usually, the newer blokes they bring in do quite well - last year Friz, Bird, Moylan, Graham all stood out. It's the recycled planks like Woods, Tamou, Farah, Pearce who destroy it for us. The problem is that the coaching staff over complicate their selections, prioritising things like Origin experience (even in a badly beaten team) people who've played together at club level and intangible shit like "he's got passion" instead of picking the best players.

those guys were playing well and talked about as talents for a season or two, and several for Graham. mcinnes has really come from nowhere. perhaps souths didn't suit him, but a sample size of about 7 or 8 matches isn't enough for me. Recent form at club doesn't necessarily mean he'll carry it into Origin. If anything, McInnes stinking it up at Souths is reason enough not to include him at this stage. It's a weak position for NSW (particularly when you look at QLD's option) which is why folks are putting him forward, but for mine, he needs to keep his new found ability throughout the season and into the first half of next year, i.e., become a consistent A-grade acting half, then he should be considered. For now though, Peats is probably ahead of him with his body of good work larger than McInnes'.

Form is temporary.....

 

[big hit!]

No way will mansour be fit and firing for origin. Teams get selected in like 2 weeks

Maybe game 3 if it's a dead rubber

Agreed. Hayne or BMoz at LW is not a downgrade IMO. Turbo has played primarily on the right as a winger from memory and unfortunately for him, Teddy is ahead of him at FB and Fergo ahead of him at RW.

 

[BennyV]

those guys were playing well and talked about as talents for a season or two, and several for Graham. mcinnes has really come from nowhere. perhaps souths didn't suit him, but a sample size of about 7 or 8 matches isn't enough for me. Recent form at club doesn't necessarily mean he'll carry it into Origin. If anything, McInnes stinking it up at Souths is reason enough not to include him at this stage. It's a weak position for NSW (particularly when you look at QLD's option) which is why folks are putting him forward, but for mine, he needs to keep his new found ability throughout the season and into the first half of next year, i.e., become a consistent A-grade acting half, then he should be considered. For now though, Peats is probably ahead of him with his body of good work larger than McInnes'.

Form is temporary.....

Yeah, the McInnes thing is a weird one. Yes, form is temporary but that includes poor form for a season at Souths - the guy came through as a superstar junior, captaining junior kangaroos and while that doesnt always count for much, his style of play leads more towards long-term success than, say, Cook.

But I agree that hooker could probably go to Peats until Cam gets more NRL form under his belt. The point I was trying to make is that a 'revolving door' as you originally stated is not NSW problem. If we focussed more on picking new faces who deserve it (like we did last year with Friz, Graham, Bird etc) and less on the 'same old' guys who've failed time and time again, we'd probably be fielding a better team.

 

[DiegoNT]

those guys were playing well and talked about as talents for a season or two, and several for Graham. mcinnes has really come from nowhere. perhaps souths didn't suit him, but a sample size of about 7 or 8 matches isn't enough for me. Recent form at club doesn't necessarily mean he'll carry it into Origin. If anything, McInnes stinking it up at Souths is reason enough not to include him at this stage. It's a weak position for NSW (particularly when you look at QLD's option) which is why folks are putting him forward, but for mine, he needs to keep his new found ability throughout the season and into the first half of next year, i.e., become a consistent A-grade acting half, then he should be considered. For now though, Peats is probably ahead of him with his body of good work larger than McInnes'.

Form is temporary.....

Mcinnes was actually one of south's better players for the first half of the season. When souths won Mcinnes was always in the top performers. Even in the losses he played with plenty of heart and tackled his heart out. Above anything else we are going to need a hooker who can tackle his heart out for 80 minutes, which would mean peats or mcinnes imo. He was made a scapegoat for our forward pack failing last year, the accusation was that he was to slow and it effected the forwards. But as you can see with the dragons he can get a forward pack running hard and with energy. On the flipside with the much faster cook souths forwards still look slow and lethargic.

 

[RazorRam0n]

Hoops confirms backline is shaping up as

Teddy
Turbo
Hayne
Doogs
Fergo
Maloney
Pearce

 

[DiegoNT]

It's interesting the whole 'stop shuffling the side arguement'.
For to long we've tried to copy the Queensland loyalty system, but queenslands loyalty is overrated and easy to do when they are winning. What's forgetten is that when queensland is humilated they aren't afraid to wring in the changes. In 2000 they were clean sweeped with a smashing in game 3. The next year they had something like 10 rookies. Guys like Lote, Civonceva, webb, carlaw where all given a chance. In 2006, after losing 3 in a row they did the same. Guys like scott, myles, Johnson, inglis all made their debuts that year. Even when they are winning they aren't afraid to cut some fat. Guys like ash harrison, shillington, Hannant, Taylor were dropped when they didn't perform.
Queensland have always been brave enough to Chuck young guys in. I heard a quote from kevie walters recently. He said Queensland look at a young talented players and look at reasons why they should pick him. NSW see a young talented player and try look at reasons not to pick him. Look some off their gambles. Greg inglis and mate myles were picked a year after their debut, so was slater. Guys like Gilette and scott debuted 2 years after their debuts. Thurston was a reserve grader in 2004, he was a maroon in 2005. All this talk about mcinnes not being ready. In 2003 cam smith was a bony boy who could tackle his heart out but was far from the finished in attack. He was picked less then 12 months after his debut in 1st grade, he is now the most capped origin player.

We have to stop being so loyal to repeat losers.

 

[MKCS]

I think if the stat of McIness making the most tackles this year out of any hooker is actually correct then he deserves the spot. That's quite a stat and we don't really need a hooker who is trying to put on tries because our spine will feature either Hayne or Tedesco and Maloney/Pearce who can get a job done in attack.

We need a hooker who can play for 80, make 50 tackles, maybe take a couple runs if need be but generally just focus on defence and not do anything stupid like Farah is capable of doing.

I have this sick feeling that Laurie is going to pick Robbie Farah though due to feeling NSW doesn't have a proven Origin hooker apart from him and an even sicker feeling that Robbie will be picked as captain because "he knows what it's like to lose and has experience"

 

[leaguelegend21]

Put Farah at 9. We have nobody else and he always does a good job for NSW.

 

[RecordBreakingMaroons.]

Shitchell for Captain.....

 

[RazorRam0n]

squad prediction

all mock sides must now use this format

http://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2017/05/10/pick_your_origin_i_t.html

 

[King hit]

squad prediction

all mock sides must now use this format

http://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2017/05/10/pick_your_origin_i_t.html

Legit team?

 

[RazorRam0n]

Legit team?

yes mate! NSWRL didn't you click the link?!

 

[big hit!]

Yeah, the McInnes thing is a weird one. Yes, form is temporary but that includes poor form for a season at Souths - the guy came through as a superstar junior, captaining junior kangaroos and while that doesnt always count for much, his style of play leads more towards long-term success than, say, Cook.

But I agree that hooker could probably go to Peats until Cam gets more NRL form under his belt. The point I was trying to make is that a 'revolving door' as you originally stated is not NSW problem. If we focussed more on picking new faces who deserve it (like we did last year with Friz, Graham, Bird etc) and less on the 'same old' guys who've failed time and time again, we'd probably be fielding a better team.

I think the revolving door actually is a problem. Just off last season, we probably won't see Moylan or Graham in the squad for Game 1 this season. Daley has fallen into the trap of picking players who have a handful of decent games and then we don't see them again. Daley has had his favourites such as Gallen, Farah, Jennings, Tamou, etc, but there have been new players come through and then gone again. I can't see the issue with Jennings tbh. He seems to get a bad wrap among NSW natives, but IMO, he's the best LC option and has troubled QLD on many occasions.

The point about McInnes stands though. I would prefer to see more of him than just the handful of matches played this season. Peats would be my option.

 

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

It's interesting the whole 'stop shuffling the side arguement'.
For to long we've tried to copy the Queensland loyalty system, but queenslands loyalty is overrated and easy to do when they are winning. What's forgetten is that when queensland is humilated they aren't afraid to wring in the changes. In 2000 they were clean sweeped with a smashing in game 3. The next year they had something like 10 rookies. Guys like Lote, Civonceva, webb, carlaw where all given a chance. In 2006, after losing 3 in a row they did the same. Guys like scott, myles, Johnson, inglis all made their debuts that year. Even when they are winning they aren't afraid to cut some fat. Guys like ash harrison, shillington, Hannant, Taylor were dropped when they didn't perform.
Queensland have always been brave enough to Chuck young guys in. I heard a quote from kevie walters recently. He said Queensland look at a young talented players and look at reasons why they should pick him. NSW see a young talented player and try look at reasons not to pick him. Look some off their gambles. Greg inglis and mate myles were picked a year after their debut, so was slater. Guys like Gilette and scott debuted 2 years after their debuts. Thurston was a reserve grader in 2004, he was a maroon in 2005. All this talk about mcinnes not being ready. In 2003 cam smith was a bony boy who could tackle his heart out but was far from the finished in attack. He was picked less then 12 months after his debut in 1st grade, he is now the most capped origin player.

We have to stop being so loyal to repeat losers.

I think the other thing that gets overlooked is that there isn't the same depth in QLD which makes it easier to pick and stick with players as there isn't a tonne of people breaking down the door. it also doesn't have the same club factions and favourites whose selections that I honestly believe has cost us more than a few series over the last 10 years.

here's and exercise for you I tried to name a second string QLD side from the QLR eligible players list and outside the likes of McCullough Hunt Milford its pretty thin pickings.

 

[King hit]

It's interesting the whole 'stop shuffling the side arguement'.
For to long we've tried to copy the Queensland loyalty system, but queenslands loyalty is overrated and easy to do when they are winning. What's forgetten is that when queensland is humilated they aren't afraid to wring in the changes. In 2000 they were clean sweeped with a smashing in game 3. The next year they had something like 10 rookies. Guys like Lote, Civonceva, webb, carlaw where all given a chance. In 2006, after losing 3 in a row they did the same. Guys like scott, myles, Johnson, inglis all made their debuts that year. Even when they are winning they aren't afraid to cut some fat. Guys like ash harrison, shillington, Hannant, Taylor were dropped when they didn't perform.
Queensland have always been brave enough to Chuck young guys in. I heard a quote from kevie walters recently. He said Queensland look at a young talented players and look at reasons why they should pick him. NSW see a young talented player and try look at reasons not to pick him. Look some off their gambles. Greg inglis and mate myles were picked a year after their debut, so was slater. Guys like Gilette and scott debuted 2 years after their debuts. Thurston was a reserve grader in 2004, he was a maroon in 2005. All this talk about mcinnes not being ready. In 2003 cam smith was a bony boy who could tackle his heart out but was far from the finished in attack. He was picked less then 12 months after his debut in 1st grade, he is now the most capped origin player.

We have to stop being so loyal to repeat losers.

It also helps when your team revolves around some of the best players to play the game but you made a good point about how Queensland aren't loyal. I remember making those points about 2001 and 2006 to QLD fans once and they just got pissed about it.

 

[RazorRam0n]

I think the other thing that gets overlooked is that there isn't the same depth in QLD which makes it easier to pick and stick with players as there isn't a tonne of people breathing down the door. it also doesn't have the same club factions and favourites whose selections that I honestly believe has cost us more than a few series over the last 10 years.

here's and exercise for you I tried to name a second string QLD side from the QLR eligible players list and outside the likes of McCullough Hunt Milford its pretty thin pickings.

i've said it ad nauseum....

IF nsw dumped someone like Darius for Slater at fb, there would be an absolute shitfight

for them it's hardly a whimper

 

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

yeah id be loyal too is this was my second string side.....

1. Slater
   
2. Winterstien
   
3. Nielson
   
4. Munster
   
5. O’Neill
   
6. Milford
   
7. Hunt
   
8. Lillyman
   
9. McCullough
   
10. J Wallace
    
11. Bukuya
    
12. Myles
    
13. Guerra
    
14. DCE
    
15. Lawrence
    
16. Bolton
    
17. Kafusi
    

 

[TheFrog]

IF nsw dumped someone like Darius for Slater at fb, there would be an absolute shitfight

for them it's hardly a whimper

Might be more than a whimper if they lose though.

 

[TheFrog]

Put Farah at 9. We have nobody else and he always does a good job for NSW.

Maybe that will happen, but we do have others and he hasn't always done a good job for NSW.

 

[DiegoNT]

I think the other thing that gets overlooked is that there isn't the same depth in QLD which makes it easier to pick and stick with players as there isn't a tonne of people breaking down the door. it also doesn't have the same club factions and favourites whose selections that I honestly believe has cost us more than a few series over the last 10 years.

here's and exercise for you I tried to name a second string QLD side from the QLR eligible players list and outside the likes of McCullough Hunt Milford its pretty thin pickings.

I'll start with a queenslands firsts side. I'll go by players from the recent test, incumbents and players speculated in the media

1. Slater
2. Boyd.
3. O'neill
4 chambers
5. Holmes
6. Norman
7. Cronk
8. Napa
9. Smith
10. Myles
11. Gilette
12. Papalli
13. Mcguire

14. Morgan
15. Hess
16. Lilyman
17. Thaiday

So that'd make a b team off.

Munster
Oates
Gagai
Luetele
Feldt
Milford
Dce
K. Sims
Friend
Wallace
Cooper
Mcqueen
Guerra

McCullough
F. Kafusi
Bolton
Lowe

That's with Hunt, Thurston, Scott and Inglis not availaible