NZ v Bang 3

[Beavers Headgear]

Styris is 32 now, but i am pretty sure early on, before he moved up the order, he was hovering around the 20 mark

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Styris has a good average, 32 is perfectly serviceable in the ODI arena.

McCullum has always had an issue with shot selection.

Styris actually averages 33, and with a strike rate of 79 to boot. Since becoming a regular top 5 batsman, his average has been high 30s.

McCullum should be aiming to stay at the top of the order (I know this is a contentious point, but I think he should) and average mid 30s from now on. Styris did a tremendous job of almost immediately acclimatising to playing like a specialist batsman, McCullum has not done quite so well thus far.

 

[Deleted member 10972]

Look at Chris Cairns, Chris Harris. Batted down the order but maintained averages around 30.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Harris scored too slow though, really. Cairns is a good example, although he often batted 6. I think there is a subtle difference between batting 6, and batting 7 or 8. These days Oram bats a lot at 6 and so he should be scoring runs, but when he batted 7 or 8 he often got out cheaply and no-one really cared because he was contributing with the ball.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Just had a quick go at the stats thing

As an opener, McCullum is averaging 30.88 at a SR of 90.84, including that poor start he had v Aus as a 19yo

 

[salivor]

Well that innings just pushed his average to 25. It has risen recently so I think we need to persist with him at the top and I think in time he will push it closer to 30 which is about as much as you could expect from him in the agressor role we're asking of him.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Just had a quick go at the stats thing

As an opener, McCullum is averaging 30.88 at a SR of 90.84, including that poor start he had v Aus as a 19yo

Fair enough. tbh off the top of my head I dunno how, given how he had failure after failure last summer.

 

[salivor]

Just had a quick go at the stats thing

As an opener, McCullum is averaging 30.88 at a SR of 90.84, including that poor start he had v Aus as a 19yo

Where did you get that from? I just used stats guru on cricinfo and he's only averaging 26.44 from his 20 innings there but that doesn't include today's innings.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

That was using the Statsguru advanced filter

Think it was over 23 innings if i remember rightly, and it inculded todays knock

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Fair enough. tbh off the top of my head I dunno how, given how he had failure after failure last summer.

If i remember rightly, last year he was playing a Spearman role, fast 25-30 then depart. This summer would have lifted it a lot, has been a lot more consistent with more big knocks in there

 

[Deleted member 10972]

I think NZ need to find a balance in their ODI batting.

IMO, two openers with solid techniques who can both up the ante if required, and average 30-35. Fulton could be one, How the other, IMO.

A number 3 batsman who is the most consistent & best of the lot. IMO, Taylor could play this role, just needs to desperately improve his shot selection.

Styris at 4 is a given, though his bowling is getting a bit average as of late.

At 5, a McMillan style heavy hitter who can bowl some steady medium-pacers. IMO, Jesse Ryder is the man for this job. Blood him in here, he could be very handy as a biffer.

At 6, Oram is a given, just needs consistency.

At 7, McCullum is best here. I know it might contradict, but i just can't see him being patient enough to be a consistently good opener against quality fast bowling attacks.

For Tests, drop Ryder, Fulton to 4, Styris to 5, and partner How with a domestic opener better than Cumming or Papps.

 

[Twizzle]

gees the Bangers are terrible

at least they are good for helping bowlers stats

well done to Harry Potter for the record, no wonder Murali likes playing against the Bangers

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I think NZ need to find a balance in their ODI batting.

IMO, two openers with solid techniques who can both up the ante if required, and average 30-35. Fulton could be one, How the other, IMO.

A number 3 batsman who is the most consistent & best of the lot. IMO, Taylor could play this role, just needs to desperately improve his shot selection.

Styris at 4 is a given, though his bowling is getting a bit average as of late.

At 5, a McMillan style heavy hitter who can bowl some steady medium-pacers. IMO, Jesse Ryder is the man for this job. Blood him in here, he could be very handy as a biffer.

At 6, Oram is a given, just needs consistency.

At 7, McCullum is best here. I know it might contradict, but i just can't see him being patient enough to be a consistently good opener against quality fast bowling attacks.

For Tests, drop Ryder, Fulton to 4, Styris to 5, and partner How with a domestic opener better than Cumming or Papps.

I think McCullum may as well open. It's a good balance to have one opener who is a dasher, and I think McCullum is a good enough player to do it, given that Fulton isn't really an opener and How isn't really suited to ODI cricket imo...

I think Fulton is actually capable of batting 3 and being NZ's best ODI batsman

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

lol bangladesh improving they say

 

[Beavers Headgear]

I like McCullum opening, because minus Bond our bowling stocks are sh*te, have that 7 slot open can give us the luxury of covering that a bit if we want too.

 

[MKEB...]

If i remember rightly, last year he was playing a Spearman role, fast 25-30 then depart. This summer would have lifted it a lot, has been a lot more consistent with more big knocks in there

Bingo... Spearman IIRC averaged 43 balls an innings.

 

[byrne_rovelli_fan82]

Nothing less than a victory for the ODIs. It was just how the Black Caps went about doing it. Winning well or just winning for the sake of it. So well done Dan and the BCaps

 

[byrne_rovelli_fan82]

Btw, didn't McCullum open in ODIs at the start of his career, or bat somewhere near the top before they shifted him down the order?

 

[wittyfan]

Bangladesh had made great strides in recent years but it all fell apart today.

 

[Jeu_de_Treize]

Btw, didn't McCullum open in ODIs at the start of his career, or bat somewhere near the top before they shifted him down the order?

I'm pretty sure he started as an ODI open in the tri series in Australia about 02.