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NRL clubs are planning to appoint an observer to RLIF board meetings in a move aimed at avoiding a repeat of the row over the scheduling of the June 23 Test in Denver between New Zealand and England.

The Test, which is the first game in a three-year deal between the two nations and 2025 World Cup backers Moore Sports, is now almost certain to go ahead at Mile High Stadium on the standalone representative weekend – thanks largely to the efforts of the RLPA.

The game should be embracing the opportunity to break into the North American market but poor communication and planning has created a sense of negativity about the Denver Test.

However, the NRL and its 16 clubs are not opposed to international football – as has been portrayed in England – and they point to the establishment of the Pacific Test and creation of the standalone representative weekend as examples of their support.

In addition, the NRL funds the Australian team to the tune of $340,000 in player payments per Test and until this year had been contributing $250,000 towards the match fees for the Kiwis too - making trans-Tasman Tests cost prohibitive.

After the debate over the Denver Test, there is now a determination by all parties to improve the process for sanctioning Tests.

The RLIF will also develop an upgraded version of the international calendar, including New Zealand's tour of England at the end of this season, next year's Great Britain tour to Australia, an inaugural Nines World Cup in 2019, a Kangaroos tour in 2020 and the 2021 World Cup in England.

While the Denver Test was first mooted last June, NRL clubs were not directly consulted about it until recently and no allowance for players returning from the United States was made in the NRL draw, which was released last October.

In fact, the scheduling couldn't have been much worse, with England duo Gareth Widdop and James Graham due to arrive home just two days before St George Illawarra's Thursday night match against Parramatta because of the international time difference and the Warriors and Storm, who will provide the bulk of the Kiwis squad, both having Friday night games.


The NRL's decision to make the weekend of Origin II on June 24 a stand-alone representative round, which will feature a Women's State of Origin and the Pacific Test double-header headlined by Samoa and Tonga, inspired the RLIF to declare an international window.

The RFL has not scheduled any Super League matches that weekend but besides England versus New Zealand in Denver, the only other international fixture announced is between PNG and Lebanon at Campbelltown Stadium.

NRL clubs say the purpose of the stand-alone representative weekend was to give those players not involved in Origin a mid-year break and would prefer the England-New Zealand Test to be in Auckland or at the end of the season if it is going to be played in Denver.

The RLPA and their general manager Clint Newton, a former USA international, have been the driving force in ensuring medical, insurance and recovery provisions were in place for New Zealand and England players involved.

With English and Kiwis players wanting to represent their countries in the historic Test on US soil, NRL clubs have little choice other than to release them but it is widely agreed that communication and the process for sanctioning Tests needs to be improved.

The RLIF gave a commitment to do so at last week's NRL CEOs meeting on the Gold Coast, which was attended by the international body's chairman John Grant and involved representatives of the NZRL, RFL and RLPA.

The appointment of Grant, who was ARLC chairman for six years until recently, and Nigel Wood's move from CEO of England's RFL to RLIF chief executive give the organisation a greater understanding of the issues facing NRL and Super League clubs over international scheduling.

The RLIF is also in the process of appointing a Southern Hemisphere General Manager and a GM of Operations, who would be based in the northern hemisphere.

This is significant as the RLIF's first and only full-time employee until now has been outgoing CEO David Collier, who was appointed in 2015 and did not have a background in the sport.

Much of the communication and negotiation between countries, clubs and players had been done by Andrew Hill, who was RLIF company secretary, but with his departure to run the 2017 World Cup before becoming Canterbury CEO there has been a void.

Most in the game only became aware of the likelihood of the Denver Test proceeding after a meeting in Brisbane ahead of the December 2 World Cup final between the RLIF, NZRL, RFL, NRL and RLPA, and the Test wasn't officially sanctioned by the RLIF board until late February.

Under the current sanctioning process, nations apply to the RLIF for formal approval to play a Test match but the NZRL was only required to supply details about the logistics of the game and how it would benefit international rugby league.

There were 114 internationals sanctioned by the RLIF last year before the World Cup and player welfare is an issue that is left to individual nations.

NRL clubs believe that the appointment of an observer to RLIF board meetings would ensure they are better informed about issues that affect them and their players, and enable direct discussions with member countries.

While the NRL clubs would never have voting rights, a review of the RLIF constitution is set to allow a representative to sit in on board meetings and clubs discussed appointing an observer at last week's meeting on the Gold Coast.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/04/16...bate-has-strengthened-the-international-game/
 

Pommy

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The NRL would prefer the test to have been played in Auckland.
Well that would be very convenient for the ESL players and teams.
I’m not sure if there are longer flights than Manchester to Auckland or not, but if there are I bet they are few in number.
 

deal.with.it

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Wait..... the NRL clubs don't need an observer, they are represented by the ARL.

The NRL doesn't fund the Kangaroos, the ARLC does, and so it should it is the national team that has as much history and tradition (more in most cases) as any of the current NRL teams.

The ARLC is not an organisation. NRL is the governing body of rugby league in Australia.

Agreed they don’t need to be an observer, just an NRL rep that communicates back to ALL stakeholders of RL in Australia.
 

deluded pom?

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The ARLC is not an organisation. NRL is the governing body of rugby league in Australia.

Agreed they don’t need to be an observer, just an NRL rep that communicates back to ALL stakeholders of RL in Australia.
They also had the NRL CEO on the board of the RLIF. Did Greenberg just not communicate anything to the NRL clubs after RLIF meetings?
 

roughyedspud

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The NRL would prefer the test to have been played in Auckland.
Well that would be very convenient for the ESL players and teams.
I’m not sure if there are longer flights than Manchester to Auckland or not, but if there are I bet they are few in number.

Manchester to Auckland is 11,300 miles...it's just about the furthest you can fly without starting to fly back home.
 

roughyedspud

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The Test, which is the first game in a three-year deal between the two nations and 2025 World Cup backers Moore Sports, is now almost certain to go ahead at Mile High Stadium on the standalone representative weekend – thanks largely to the efforts of the RLPA.

Cheeky f**kers.

However, the NRL and its 16 clubs are not opposed to international football – as has been portrayed in England – and they point to the establishment of the Pacific Test and creation of the standalone representative weekend as examples of their support.

Contradiction coming up...

NRL clubs say the purpose of the stand-alone representative weekend was to give those players not involved in Origin a mid-year break and would prefer the England-New Zealand Test to be in Auckland or at the end of the season if it is going to be played in Denver.

FFS....the creation of the rep weekend ,last May,was a 3 party effort between the NRL,RFL & RLIF..everyone knew that while the Aussie's played origin EVERYONE ELSE could play a tests....thinking the rep weekend meant a rest weekend for everyone not playing origin?? f**k off!
 

roughyedspud

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No that’s not true. The NRL is now the governing body.

It shouldnt be that way..the NRL runs the competition,the ARLC runs the sport...that's how it should be and if it isn't it goes along way to explaining why the governance of the sport down under is near constant strife...

Who's in charge? Todd Greenberg or this new chap? Peter Beattie?

PS..I've not got a issue with Todd Greenberg,as head of the NRL and whoever is gonna be head of our SL having a seat at the table,in non executive roles,if it help avoid the nonsense of the last few months about tests..
 

titoelcolombiano

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It shouldnt be that way..the NRL runs the competition,the ARLC runs the sport...that's how it should be and if it isn't it goes along way to explaining why the governance of the sport down under is near constant strife...

Who's in charge? Todd Greenberg or this new chap? Peter Beattie?

PS..I've not got a issue with Todd Greenberg,as head of the NRL and whoever is gonna be head of our SL having a seat at the table,in non executive roles,if it help avoid the nonsense of the last few months about tests..

The ARLC is the governing body and they administer the NRL. The NRL is the elite competition and also the branding used for the game throughout Australia.

https://www.nrl.com/about/arl-commission/
http://www.rlif.com/members
 

Pommy

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So now the game is set to go ahead we can get on to the important issues. ;)
The RFL have the refs running around with a new kit supplier this year so i assume there will be a New Jersey released in the next few weeks.
 

siv

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Example SOO and Test matchs QLD Cup and NSW Cup etc % of the TV deal and Merchandise etc etc should be being managed away from pure NRL management group
 

deal.with.it

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The ARLC is just the commission, like the RFL’s board of directors.
The ARLC chose to rebrand the old ARL as NRL. There’s no ARL development managers nor any ARL or ARLC head office. It just so happens to be that the top tier competition of the NRL is also called NRL.

The closest example would be if the RFL’s top tier was called RFL.
This isn’t that silly when you think about it, with most governing bodies only having one competition that is also called the same thing. Think USARL etc.

This is just semantics though.

So having the head of the NRL on the RLIF board is no different to how it always was. Todd Greenberg is in charge of the whole NRL, not just the elite competition. Nigel Wood was similarly the CEO of the RFL and Super League. This is common practice in such federations. If you appoint someone to represent that nation with no power, good luck getting anything done.

So even with John Grant the new chairman, Australia needs Todd Greenberg (or someone else in the hierarchy) to represent Australia.

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Anyway, the good news is this game is going ahead. Who would be in your starting 13?
Benji in good form. So too Isaac Luke. Does Luke Gale get a look in?
 
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NRL clubs are planning to appoint an observer to RLIF board meetings in a move aimed at avoiding a repeat of the row over the scheduling of the June 23 Test in Denver between New Zealand and England.

The Test, which is the first game in a three-year deal between the two nations and 2025 World Cup backers Moore Sports, is now almost certain to go ahead at Mile High Stadium on the standalone representative weekend – thanks largely to the efforts of the RLPA.

The game should be embracing the opportunity to break into the North American market but poor communication and planning has created a sense of negativity about the Denver Test.

However, the NRL and its 16 clubs are not opposed to international football – as has been portrayed in England – and they point to the establishment of the Pacific Test and creation of the standalone representative weekend as examples of their support.

In addition, the NRL funds the Australian team to the tune of $340,000 in player payments per Test and until this year had been contributing $250,000 towards the match fees for the Kiwis too - making trans-Tasman Tests cost prohibitive.

After the debate over the Denver Test, there is now a determination by all parties to improve the process for sanctioning Tests.

The RLIF will also develop an upgraded version of the international calendar, including New Zealand's tour of England at the end of this season, next year's Great Britain tour to Australia, an inaugural Nines World Cup in 2019, a Kangaroos tour in 2020 and the 2021 World Cup in England.

While the Denver Test was first mooted last June, NRL clubs were not directly consulted about it until recently and no allowance for players returning from the United States was made in the NRL draw, which was released last October.

In fact, the scheduling couldn't have been much worse, with England duo Gareth Widdop and James Graham due to arrive home just two days before St George Illawarra's Thursday night match against Parramatta because of the international time difference and the Warriors and Storm, who will provide the bulk of the Kiwis squad, both having Friday night games.


The NRL's decision to make the weekend of Origin II on June 24 a stand-alone representative round, which will feature a Women's State of Origin and the Pacific Test double-header headlined by Samoa and Tonga, inspired the RLIF to declare an international window.

The RFL has not scheduled any Super League matches that weekend but besides England versus New Zealand in Denver, the only other international fixture announced is between PNG and Lebanon at Campbelltown Stadium.

NRL clubs say the purpose of the stand-alone representative weekend was to give those players not involved in Origin a mid-year break and would prefer the England-New Zealand Test to be in Auckland or at the end of the season if it is going to be played in Denver.

The RLPA and their general manager Clint Newton, a former USA international, have been the driving force in ensuring medical, insurance and recovery provisions were in place for New Zealand and England players involved.

With English and Kiwis players wanting to represent their countries in the historic Test on US soil, NRL clubs have little choice other than to release them but it is widely agreed that communication and the process for sanctioning Tests needs to be improved.

The RLIF gave a commitment to do so at last week's NRL CEOs meeting on the Gold Coast, which was attended by the international body's chairman John Grant and involved representatives of the NZRL, RFL and RLPA.

The appointment of Grant, who was ARLC chairman for six years until recently, and Nigel Wood's move from CEO of England's RFL to RLIF chief executive give the organisation a greater understanding of the issues facing NRL and Super League clubs over international scheduling.

The RLIF is also in the process of appointing a Southern Hemisphere General Manager and a GM of Operations, who would be based in the northern hemisphere.

This is significant as the RLIF's first and only full-time employee until now has been outgoing CEO David Collier, who was appointed in 2015 and did not have a background in the sport.

Much of the communication and negotiation between countries, clubs and players had been done by Andrew Hill, who was RLIF company secretary, but with his departure to run the 2017 World Cup before becoming Canterbury CEO there has been a void.

Most in the game only became aware of the likelihood of the Denver Test proceeding after a meeting in Brisbane ahead of the December 2 World Cup final between the RLIF, NZRL, RFL, NRL and RLPA, and the Test wasn't officially sanctioned by the RLIF board until late February.

Under the current sanctioning process, nations apply to the RLIF for formal approval to play a Test match but the NZRL was only required to supply details about the logistics of the game and how it would benefit international rugby league.

There were 114 internationals sanctioned by the RLIF last year before the World Cup and player welfare is an issue that is left to individual nations.

NRL clubs believe that the appointment of an observer to RLIF board meetings would ensure they are better informed about issues that affect them and their players, and enable direct discussions with member countries.

While the NRL clubs would never have voting rights, a review of the RLIF constitution is set to allow a representative to sit in on board meetings and clubs discussed appointing an observer at last week's meeting on the Gold Coast.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/04/16...bate-has-strengthened-the-international-game/
Only fair that somebody from the RLIF sits in on NRL meetings i would have thought.
Also as well it might be a good idea to have people from the NZRL and the RFL sit in on the NRL meetings to stop any more dumb rules being passed
 
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