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NZ v South Africa

ozbash

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Will astle be ready ?
Will Bondy be fit ?


cant wait....

Sth African Tour Of NZ



11 Feb Sth Africa v ND Wellington n/a
13 Feb Sth Africa v NZ (1st ODI) Auck (D/N) n/a
17 Feb Sth Africa v NZ (2nd ODI) Chch (D/N) n/a
20 Feb Sth Africa v NZ (3rd ODI) Well (D/N) n/a
24 Feb Sth Africa v NZ (4th ODI) Dun (D/N) n/a
28 Feb Sth Africa v NZ (5th ODI) Auck (D/N) n/a
02 Mar Sth Africa v NZ (6th ODI) Napier n/a
05-07 Mar TBA TBA n/a
10-14 Mar Sth Africa v NZ (1st test) Hamilton n/a
18-22 Mar Sth Africa v NZ (2nd test) Auckland n/a
26-30 Mar Sth Africa v NZ (3rd test) Wellington n/a
 

Dr Crane

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Tough to call. New Zealand look good, and South Africa look really good. The only difference is class of opponents...
 

Twizzle

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This will give us all an indication of just how much NZ have improved, assuming that they have.
 

Mr Angry

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Go the Kiwis.
Fleming needs to score big in the tests series, I think he can.
Vettori must take wickets too, RSA still has defencies when batting against quality spin.
Naturally, catching will be improtant.
IMO The Africans will win the ODI's and hopefully the Kiwis will win the test series.
 

Iafeta

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You've probably got a fair chance on the inclement weather :roll:

I think the Black Caps will be a few notches of class above the West Indies. They are simply a woeful, woeful unit. It could be mighty close, but then there's enough quality players on both teams who have the ability to rip it apart either way.
 

wittyz chick

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its on Foxtel :D YIPPEE!! but i wont c much cause of skool :cry: :cry: :cry: :evil: :evil: :evil: but SA will smash NZ even if Bondy and Astle are in the team
Should b a good series :D
 

ozbash

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Expect more specialisation from New Zealand’s one-day team in the future.



Upon announcing the first New Zealand squad for the National Bank Series against South Africa, starting in Auckland on Friday, coach John Bracewell said he wanted to see the side’s batsmen concentrating on doing their job properly, and allowing the bowlers to do theirs. This was a shorthand way of sending the message that bits and pieces players who have previously operated under the title of “allrounder” in New Zealand teams were going to have to change their thinking.



This had been reflected in the side which beat Pakistan 4-1 in their last outing. Seventy-five per cent of New Zealand’s runs had been hit by the top-order in the series, and it had been a long time since that had happened, he said.



“We have to get the batters to operate more effectively so bowlers can concentrate on their job,” Bracewell said.



The Australians, the best side in the world, had been the first to revert to specialist players and that had been borne out in their results. That is of immediate consequence to players like Andre Adams and Lou Vincent who were left out of the side.



Asserting that specialist role would be important for New Zealand if they were to contain the strong South African batting unit. Bracewell said they were deservedly ranked No 2 in the world, and on their performances in recent months the batsmen were probably the No 1 batsmen in the world.



The difference to the Australians was that they complemented one another so well. The South Africans struggled with their attack and that was an area New Zealand had to attempt to take advantage of.



“We will have to work extra hard to nullify their batters, but they are on our patch and we have just comprehensively beaten the third-ranked side Pakistan so this will be a good test. We don’t know whether Pakistan fell over or we got stronger,” he said.



New Zealand had got a pattern going during the series, the players had shown greater understanding and there should be no reason why New Zealand shouldn’t be able to go into the series confident they could compete.



Bracewell said it was always a hard decision to drop anybody and Craig Cumming, who made way for Michael Papps, had worked very hard, had been a tremendous team man and had made progress on his technique.



Papps had put together the runs and the weight of numbers meant he had deserved his chance. The selectors had been consistent as Cumming had 10 successive games before a change had been made.



“It is agreed by everybody that he has the tools for four-day cricket and this year, in particular, his one-day game has evolved to a greater extent. His particular position does not have large numbers stepping forward. We’ve been searching and he’s top of the class,” he said.



Bracewell added that when Nathan Astle returned to the one-day side, whenever that might be, he would be back in the opening role. He was needed there to give an extra dimension to the side during the first 15 overs and a more consistent approach to setting and getting runs. Astle had been happy with that role when the matter was discussed with him.



Bracewell added that Michael Mason’s inclusion was the result of good efforts he had put in, in Pakistan where he had not had a lot of collective support. He would fit into the side’s bowling pattern and because of his steady head during delivery there was the chance he could develop the ability to change his length as he watched batsmen preparing to attack.



Today’s rain-affected game, which was changed from a day match to a day-nighter had worked out well for New Zealand because it gave most of the players a chance to experience the effects of the lights at Jade Stadium, before the forthcoming series which involved five day-night games out of the six matches.



The team is: Stephen Fleming (captain), Ian Butler, Chris Cairns, Brendon McCullum, Craig McMillan, Hamish Marshall, Kyle Mills, Jacob Oram, Michael Papps, Scott Styris, Daryl Tuffey, Daniel Vettori, Michael Mason.
 

wittyz chick

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the South African squad is: Graeme Smith (capt), Mark Boucher (wk), Nicky Boje, Boeta Dippenaar, Herschelle Gibbs, Jacques Kallis, Lance Klusener, Albie Morkel, Mfuneko Ngam, Andre Nel, Makhaya Ntini, Robin Peterson, Shaun Pollock, Ashwell Prince, Jacques Rudolph.

and Dippenaar, Prince, Peterson and Klusener will be replaced by Paul Adams, Gary Kirsten, Neil McKenzie and Martin van Jaarsveld for the test series

Also South Africa will be wishing with all their lucky stars that Mark Boucher does not get injured as he is the only reconised wicket-keeper in the squad as South Africa have decided 2 leave Morne van Wyk at home. :x
 
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Bring em on. We're ready...hopefully Papps goes well...Woudlnt mind seeing young Ross Taylor in there though.
 

bayrep

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I have my tickets for the 1st 1-dayer. A group of 28 of us are going and we have brought right next to the SA fan block so should be a good bit of verbal back and forward.
 

fish eel

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Twizzle said:
This will give us all an indication of just how much NZ have improved, assuming that they have.


or how much the west indies, particuarly their bowling have declined.
 

salivor

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It should be an interesting series but it's hard to gage the form of the two sides with the Windies being a walkover for most Test sides nowadays and Pakistan in a rebuilding phase as well as struggling to get Shoaib on the field on a regular basis.

The NZ side looks alright on paper, good to have Papps finally rewarded but it'd be good if the selectors could bite the bullet and clear out some dead wood.

Cairns isn't needed with Oram now the true all rounder in the side and he's performing better in all facets of the game above Cairns. If Papps is in the side and performs with the bat then McCullum has to go and Papps gets the gloves to give us another bowling or batting option. I think Styris has to be re-evaluated as well. When he's hot, he's really hot but too often he comes out and plays reckless innings to the detriment of the side. The selectors are prepared to crucify a guy like Sinclair who has 2 double centuries behind him for inconsistancy but that same inconsistancy is tolorated from others.

I'd also question the point in holding a trial match if the selectors are going to name the side after only one side has batted, that to me shows that the side was determined before hand and Matthew Sinclair could've score 1000 runs and still not have been a look in.
 
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salivor said:
If Papps is in the side and performs with the bat then McCullum has to go and Papps gets the gloves to give us another bowling or batting option.

That is a stupid comment have you ever seen Papps keep, He is a provincial fill at best. While McCullum is the future test keeper.
Why does everybody want to manufacture a keeper batsman at the top of the oreder?
 

salivor

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I have seen Papps keep and he's not exactly Rahul Dravid. If New Zealand wants to compete on the international stage they can't afford to have a keeper who is batting at number 8. Now he may be able to pinch hit up the top of the order but his future isn't there with a few talented players at domestic level who will fill those roles in years to come.
McCullum is definetly our future Test keeper, why he isn't now baffles me but keeping isn't as important in the shorter form of the game and in case you haven't noticed, while McCullum generally is sharp with his glove work, he has a tendancy to drop crucial catches.
 
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Ok iso you are fine with Papps dropping catches but not With McCullum dropping the odd one (Which he is geting better at), Why drop a player when he is really starting to become a good player at that level could really hurt his confidence.
Papps isnt a great keeper.
 

salivor

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I'm not fine with Papps dropping catches but if he fires with the bat at that level, which we've got to see first then I think we've got to sacrifice a better gloveman for someone who can allow us to bring in another batting or bowling option and add depth to the side. My comment about McCullum dropping some catches was to show that he's not completely up to international standard himself yet as dropping some of the sitters that he has is a cardinal sin for a wicket keeper. Theres just simply not much room in ODI cricket these days for a specialist keeper.
 
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