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As my dear friend would say of the comment above....."You sir are an ignorant fool"

On your assumption ... all airports should immediately remove their Fire Protection Units ... because planes don't crash and catch fire.

Narrhhhh typical Tory assumptions.

Thats nto what I am saying at all. & your anology is beyone ridiculously stupid. But lefties will grab at anything.
Unlike Airports, where planes don't crash, hospitals wil have heart attacks(i hope their ready for you after the next election by the way), they will have have car accidents, work accidents snake bites, spider bites, people choking etc etc etc ON A DAILY IF NOT HOURLY BASIS!!!!
You've gone mad. If you think somebody wont die today at that hospital as a direct result of cutting 100 Nurses jobs, then you need a straight jakcet
 

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Thats nto what I am saying at all. & your anology is beyone ridiculously stupid. But lefties will grab at anything.
Unlike Airports, where planes don't crash, hospitals wil have heart attacks(i hope their ready for you after the next election by the way), they will have have car accidents, work accidents snake bites, spider bites, people choking etc etc etc ON A DAILY IF NOT HOURLY BASIS!!!!
You've gone mad. If you think somebody wont die today at that hospital as a direct result of cutting 100 Nurses jobs, then you need a straight jakcet

Well we all - well some of us know and admit that Can't Do is a lying two faced Curtis. But I can tell you this munch. He is cutting staff at Rocky Base Hospital by 30%.

I have just read that they are closing Moura Hospital. You might remember Moura. Moura was the scene of Australias last mass mining disaster. I believe that 13 are still entombed in that one. Geoff Sceney the local member and the deputy Premier is too gutless to attend a public meeting to announce its closure.

But my wife just got a call from a workmate (Rocky Hospital) that has just been told don't come Monday. She has worked surgical for 4 years. You know why she got told don't come monday. She was 10 minutes late back from a 30 minute lunch break. Her excuse she was on the phone home as a result of a serious problem with her young son.

Nope... not taken into consideration ..... don't come Monday.

This is Queensland under the Tories.
 

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Here see for yourself. Unemployment is always high under a Labor Guv'ment

(Two faced lying curtii)

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There's rules against that quigs, dies she have a previous track record ?

Casual Roster Surely.... they don't get the your sacked as such, they get the "nothing is available" when enquiring for shifts.

You know how I know. My missus hasn't had a shift for three months. She has been caught right in the middle of Can't Dos cutbacks

In the end she got that frustrated with it all she went looking for a termination slip... can't give you one, you are still employed crap.

Funny old world.... just like the contract labour system.

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Just another comment from Acting Employment Minister Kate Ellis (top sort too is Katey)

Ms Ellis said the data told a very sad story about Queenslanders.
"Regrettably, more than 22,000 Queenslanders found themselves out of a job this Christmas (while) across the rest of the country, jobs grew," she told reporters in Adelaide.
 

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Casual Roster Surely.... they don't get the your sacked as such, they get the "nothing is available" when enquiring for shifts.

You know how I know. My missus hasn't had a shift for three months. She has been caught right in the middle of Can't Dos cutbacks

In the end she got that frustrated with it all she went looking for a termination slip... can't give you one, you are still employed crap.

Funny old world.... just like the contract labour system.

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Just another comment from Acting Employment Minister Kate Ellis (top sort too is Katey)

Ms Ellis said the data told a very sad story about Queenslanders.
"Regrettably, more than 22,000 Queenslanders found themselves out of a job this Christmas (while) across the rest of the country, jobs grew," she told reporters in Adelaide.

You say she's been there 4 years, gee why did the previous Govt make her casual.
 

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Now let's get to candos cuts




bloated public service not healthy
JUDITH SLOAN, CONTRIBUTING ECONOMICS EDITOR
October 01, 2012 12:00AM
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Illustration: Sturt Krygsman Source: The Australian
IN order to avoid the winter chills of Melbourne, I hang out in Queensland quite a bit these days. A few weeks ago, I was tuned in to the evening news to be told that the LNP government was planning to cut 1500 jobs in health.
Gosh, I thought, 1500 jobs sounds quite a lot. So I decided to find out how many people are employed in Queensland Health. The answer is more than 80,000. Annual natural attrition would account for more than double the proposed job cuts of 1500, which represent a mere 1.9 per cent of total employment.
But here's the rub. A decade ago, employment in Queensland Health stood at 49,000. So in 10 years there has been an increase of more than 32,000 employees - an increase of two-thirds.
But here's a further rub. Whereas the number of nurses in effective full-time terms increased by 65 per cent over the decade, the number of managerial and clerical staff rose by 103 per cent during the same period. There are now nearly 15,000 managers and clerical staff in Queensland Health, a fair proportion of whom hang out in the head office in Brisbane.
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The observant reader might make the point that Queensland's population has grown over that time; indeed, population growth has been higher in Queensland than in Australia as a whole. However, the average annual growth in the number of Queensland Health staff has been well over two times higher than the growth in the population.
The media, particularly in Queensland, has been making much of the supposedly "savage" job cuts being implemented by the LNP government, in part picking up the campaign being waged by the trade union movement in the state. What is less often reported is the fact the Queensland public service had been growing at a ridiculous rate under the Bligh Labor government, which had in part led to a 10-fold increase in the state's debt and the downgrading of its credit rating.
As Ken Wiltshire, an expert in public administration, and a Queenslander, pointed out on this page last week, there "was a blowout in the amount spent on public servants across the past decade, at 8.7 per cent a year. Of that, 3.5 per cent was attributed to the number of employees and 5.2 per cent to growth of wages.
"All this is far higher public expenditure growth than the national average."
A very dubious arrangement also emerged in the Queensland public service in which a category of "permanent temporary" staff was created. Many of these permanent temporaries are - quite legitimately - being targeted by the LNP government.
Into this politically toxic atmosphere, made worse by lazy journalism, the federal government has now weighed in with its unbelievable epithet: "We make hard decisions, but we focus on finding efficiencies. The Coalition slashes jobs." But is Penny Wong really telling the truth?
The first point to note is that if there are all these inefficient practices in the federal arena, why has it taken the Labor government five years to do something about them? The second point is that shifting the budget from a $44 billion deficit last financial year to a $1.5bn surplus will not be achieved by shaving a few dollars off printing costs or making senior public servants travel cattle class. (I wonder whether the politicians will also be made to travel down the back of the plane - I don't think so.)
But the most important point is this year's budget explicitly plans for a cut of 3073 in the average staffing level of agencies in the Australian government general government sector - a cut of 1.3 per cent (not much lower than the planned cut to Queensland Health).
And with the super-efficiency dividend of 4 per cent being imposed on government agencies, the number of job cuts will be higher again. Indeed, it is entirely plausible the number could be double the planned reduction of 3000. So, yes, the federal Labor government also slashes jobs; it should just be more explicit about it. Having been told by Kevin Rudd that the "reckless spending" must stop and that a "meat axe" would be taken to the "bloated" public service, in government, Labor went weak at the knees.
The Australian public service has grown by an average of just under 1 per cent a year since the Labor government has been in office.
Evidently, the meat axe was very blunt. It is only now that job cuts are being made.
Returning to the Queensland situation, the LNP government has no alternative but to push on with its planned reduction to the size of the public sector. But in order to sustain a smaller public sector, more thinking needs to be done about the future of particular activities and programs. The experience of the Howard government was that initial cuts to public sector jobs are only temporary, unless constant attention is paid to limiting new spending and new programs.
Ever keen to play politics rather than prosecute good public policy, federal Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten has also decided to become involved in Queensland politics by proposing an amendment to the Fair Work Act to limit the ability of the Queensland government to contract out work.
Shorten's idea is that there will be a new transmission of business provision in the act that will mean any public servant who shifts to work for an outside provider of government services must retain all employment conditions.
He really should know better. He obviously hasn't been paying any attention to the successful outsourcing of employment services, which is undertaken by the federal government through his own department.
Just because there is a case for governments to fund, in full or in part, particular services for eligible persons does not mean that those services have to be provided by permanent public servants. Indeed, present thinking - and this applies to how the National Disability Insurance Scheme will operate - is that competitive outsourcing of many government services leads to both superior offerings and cost savings.
It would not be a surprise if the Queensland government were to give serious consideration to withdrawing the referral of its IR power to the commonwealth government. If Shorten is intent on interfering with the ability of the LNP government to rationalise and reform the public service on its own terms, such a move by the Queensland government makes sense.
The bottom line is the public service, both federally and in a number of states, has become too large and needs to be trimmed. In making the job cuts, it is also important for governments to analyse the rationale behind spending and to concentrate on those areas where there are very high net public benefits.
Experimentation with different means of delivering taxpayer-funded services should also be part of the mix.


http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opini...vice-not-healthy/story-fnbkvnk7-1226484900906


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Labor to slash public servants
PUBLISHED: 31 AUG 2012 00:07:23 | UPDATED: 31 AUG 2012 03:03:46
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Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a Public Service union conference in Sydney this week that the opposition is already boasting “of huge, radical cuts” and that “thousands of public servants will go”. Photo: Andrew Meares
LAURA TINGLE Political editor
Federal cabinet ministers have been told that departments face another round of big staffing cuts, in a move that will blunt Labor’s attack on state Coalition governments for slashing public service numbers.

Cabinet ministers have been told the expenditure review committee of cabinet will impose a further “efficiency dividend” on the federal bureaucracy, in addition to the on-going 1.5 per cent dividend and an additional, one-off 2.5 percentage-point boost dividend imposed last November. That took the dividend – in effect, enforced spending cuts – in 2012-13 to 4 per cent.

However, the government is apparently looking for another name for the across-the-board cut to the federal bureaucracy, which is already enduring a reduction in staffing numbers by 4200 over a two-year period.

Individual departments are being told how many positions they will have to shed as part of the savings measure. It comes as the mid-year review of the budget once again is turned into a mini-budget to rein in costs to offset spending blowouts and revenue shortfalls to keep the surplus forecast this financial year on track.

Treasurer Wayne Swan yesterday disputed estimates that there was a $120 billion bill for taxpayers over the rest of the decade as result of Labor commitments.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_to_slash_public_servants_AaDh5IXWpXpSO9xdbPwoWM


The alp are more sneaky, they call it efficiency dividend not redundancy lol
 

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The federal bureaucracy will tighten its belt even further as a result of extra spending cuts outlined this morning.
However, the latest crackdown will exclude the Defence Department, which has again received a reprieve.
Finance Minister Penny Wong and Public Service Minister Gary Gray announced the government would strip another $550 million from its agencies over the current four-year budget cycle, on top of the 4 per cent efficiency dividend that public servants are presently struggling to meet.
The pair said the latest cuts "would not come from targeting jobs". However, some Australian Public Service workplaces are likely to have few alternatives left but to shed more staff.
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The government has already increased the dividend - an annual cut to agencies' operating budgets - from 1.5 to 4 per cent this financial year, in a bid to save an extra $500 million a year. That decision is expected to contribute to the loss of about 4200 public service jobs in 2012-13.
War on paper, travel
The ministers said the latest savings would be achieved by eliminating wasteful spending and cracking down on inefficiencies.
"The government has looked carefully at the spending of departments and agencies. From this financial year, departments will be required to find savings through a new targeted savings arrangement that reduces expenditure in non-staffing areas," they said.
The proposed savings include:
Almost $30 million a year through across-the-board reductions in air-travel spending, including restrictions on business-class flights.
Over $60 million in 2012-13 by cutting public servants' reliance on external consultants and contractors.
$2 million a year through advertising jobs online rather than in other media.
Cutting printing costs by about 5 per cent by increasingly publishing online only, saving about $6 million a year.
The bureaucracy would also consider buying more services on a whole-of-government basis, to leverage the Commonwealth's purchasing power.
The government's decision will make it considerably harder for agencies to meet the dividend without retrenching staff.
When Senator Wong announced the one-off extra efficiency dividend last year, she suggested the bureaucracy avoid redundancies by instead trimming their travel, advertising, printing, entertainment and training costs, and by using fewer consultants.
Today's announcement means agencies can no longer count many of these cuts towards their dividend targets.
Union fears
The Community and Public Sector Union said the latest decision would undermine the bureaucracy's ability to serve the public.
Assistant national secretary Louise Persse said: "While the government's saying this won't affect jobs, we've seen a lot of cuts to federal public service budgets in recent years. We are concerned about the cumulative effects of those."
However, when asked whether Labor's approach to the public service was similar to the Liberals', Ms Persse said the government remained the lesser evil.
"The federal Coalition is talking about $50 billion to $70 billion worth of savings. So there is a question of degree [of difference] here," she said.
"We haven’t seen any clarity from [Opposition Leader] Tony Abbott about how he's going to achieve those savings without traumatic impacts on public services and jobs."
Senator Wong said the government's approach to cutting spending differed vastly from the Coalition's, citing Queensland Premier Campbell Newman's recent efforts to retrench about 14,000 public sector staff.
"When Labor approaches the task of budgeting, we do that in accordance with Labor values. Labor targets efficiencies; the Coalition slashes jobs. And you see that approach very clearly when look to Premier Newman in Queensland."


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opi...s-more-cuts-20120925-26i6r.html#ixzz2ICpCcA5T



Lol there's that word efficiencies again
 

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You say she's been there 4 years, gee why did the previous Govt make her casual.

She nominated as a casual Surely, because she is a single parent to a few small kids.

Couldn't do the full roster thing.

Happens a lot in Nursing.
 

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bloated public service not healthy
JUDITH SLOAN, CONTRIBUTING ECONOMICS EDITOR
October 01, 2012 12:00AM
17 comments

Illustration: Sturt Krygsman Source: The Australian
IN order to avoid the winter chills of Melbourne, I hang out in Queensland quite a bit these days. A few weeks ago, I was tuned in to the evening news to be told that the LNP government was planning to cut 1500 jobs in health.
Gosh, I thought, 1500 jobs sounds quite a lot. So I decided to find out how many people are employed in Queensland Health. The answer is more than 80,000. Annual natural attrition would account for more than double the proposed job cuts of 1500, which represent a mere 1.9 per cent of total employment.
But here's the rub. A decade ago, employment in Queensland Health stood at 49,000. So in 10 years there has been an increase of more than 32,000 employees - an increase of two-thirds.
But here's a further rub. Whereas the number of nurses in effective full-time terms increased by 65 per cent over the decade, the number of managerial and clerical staff rose by 103 per cent during the same period. There are now nearly 15,000 managers and clerical staff in Queensland Health, a fair proportion of whom hang out in the head office in Brisbane.
Advertisement

The observant reader might make the point that Queensland's population has grown over that time; indeed, population growth has been higher in Queensland than in Australia as a whole. However, the average annual growth in the number of Queensland Health staff has been well over two times higher than the growth in the population.
The media, particularly in Queensland, has been making much of the supposedly "savage" job cuts being implemented by the LNP government, in part picking up the campaign being waged by the trade union movement in the state. What is less often reported is the fact the Queensland public service had been growing at a ridiculous rate under the Bligh Labor government, which had in part led to a 10-fold increase in the state's debt and the downgrading of its credit rating.
As Ken Wiltshire, an expert in public administration, and a Queenslander, pointed out on this page last week, there "was a blowout in the amount spent on public servants across the past decade, at 8.7 per cent a year. Of that, 3.5 per cent was attributed to the number of employees and 5.2 per cent to growth of wages.
"All this is far higher public expenditure growth than the national average."
A very dubious arrangement also emerged in the Queensland public service in which a category of "permanent temporary" staff was created. Many of these permanent temporaries are - quite legitimately - being targeted by the LNP government.
Into this politically toxic atmosphere, made worse by lazy journalism, the federal government has now weighed in with its unbelievable epithet: "We make hard decisions, but we focus on finding efficiencies. The Coalition slashes jobs." But is Penny Wong really telling the truth?
The first point to note is that if there are all these inefficient practices in the federal arena, why has it taken the Labor government five years to do something about them? The second point is that shifting the budget from a $44 billion deficit last financial year to a $1.5bn surplus will not be achieved by shaving a few dollars off printing costs or making senior public servants travel cattle class. (I wonder whether the politicians will also be made to travel down the back of the plane - I don't think so.)
But the most important point is this year's budget explicitly plans for a cut of 3073 in the average staffing level of agencies in the Australian government general government sector - a cut of 1.3 per cent (not much lower than the planned cut to Queensland Health).
And with the super-efficiency dividend of 4 per cent being imposed on government agencies, the number of job cuts will be higher again. Indeed, it is entirely plausible the number could be double the planned reduction of 3000. So, yes, the federal Labor government also slashes jobs; it should just be more explicit about it. Having been told by Kevin Rudd that the "reckless spending" must stop and that a "meat axe" would be taken to the "bloated" public service, in government, Labor went weak at the knees.
The Australian public service has grown by an average of just under 1 per cent a year since the Labor government has been in office.
Evidently, the meat axe was very blunt. It is only now that job cuts are being made.
Returning to the Queensland situation, the LNP government has no alternative but to push on with its planned reduction to the size of the public sector. But in order to sustain a smaller public sector, more thinking needs to be done about the future of particular activities and programs. The experience of the Howard government was that initial cuts to public sector jobs are only temporary, unless constant attention is paid to limiting new spending and new programs.
Ever keen to play politics rather than prosecute good public policy, federal Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten has also decided to become involved in Queensland politics by proposing an amendment to the Fair Work Act to limit the ability of the Queensland government to contract out work.
Shorten's idea is that there will be a new transmission of business provision in the act that will mean any public servant who shifts to work for an outside provider of government services must retain all employment conditions.
He really should know better. He obviously hasn't been paying any attention to the successful outsourcing of employment services, which is undertaken by the federal government through his own department.
Just because there is a case for governments to fund, in full or in part, particular services for eligible persons does not mean that those services have to be provided by permanent public servants. Indeed, present thinking - and this applies to how the National Disability Insurance Scheme will operate - is that competitive outsourcing of many government services leads to both superior offerings and cost savings.
It would not be a surprise if the Queensland government were to give serious consideration to withdrawing the referral of its IR power to the commonwealth government. If Shorten is intent on interfering with the ability of the LNP government to rationalise and reform the public service on its own terms, such a move by the Queensland government makes sense.
The bottom line is the public service, both federally and in a number of states, has become too large and needs to be trimmed. In making the job cuts, it is also important for governments to analyse the rationale behind spending and to concentrate on those areas where there are very high net public benefits.
Experimentation with different means of delivering taxpayer-funded services should also be part of the mix.


http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opini...vice-not-healthy/story-fnbkvnk7-1226484900906


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JUDITH FARKKKENNN SLOANE .... You've got to be joking Surely... Sheeze even more tory farkkked then honourable Reefy Son.

Judith farkkkennn Sloane - give me strength. Farkkk Sloppy Joe and Tone could be caught doing a tag team on a doberman dog and Judith would still blame the dog.
 

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Hmmmm so the spies tell me Sloppy Joe has given up the KFC and has lost a lot of weight.

Smells like a libspill to me.

You reckon Joe might be going to make a move.
 

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How many efficiency dividends has Wayne put out of work lol

Oh and the casual consultants lol

Oh and cut air travel, that'll lead to a few less jobs in the airlines, especially with their carbon taxed fuel increase.

Oh and printers guess they'll put some people off too
 

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Labor to slash public servants
PUBLISHED: 31 AUG 2012 00:07:23 | UPDATED: 31 AUG 2012 03:03:46
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Prime Minister Julia Gillard told a Public Service union conference in Sydney this week that the opposition is already boasting ?of huge, radical cuts? and that ?thousands of public servants will go?. Photo: Andrew Meares
LAURA TINGLE Political editor
Federal cabinet ministers have been told that departments face another round of big staffing cuts, in a move that will blunt Labor?s attack on state Coalition governments for slashing public service numbers.

Cabinet ministers have been told the expenditure review committee of cabinet will impose a further ?efficiency dividend? on the federal bureaucracy, in addition to the on-going 1.5 per cent dividend and an additional, one-off 2.5 percentage-point boost dividend imposed last November. That took the dividend ? in effect, enforced spending cuts ? in 2012-13 to 4 per cent.

However, the government is apparently looking for another name for the across-the-board cut to the federal bureaucracy, which is already enduring a reduction in staffing numbers by 4200 over a two-year period.

Individual departments are being told how many positions they will have to shed as part of the savings measure. It comes as the mid-year review of the budget once again is turned into a mini-budget to rein in costs to offset spending blowouts and revenue shortfalls to keep the surplus forecast this financial year on track.

Treasurer Wayne Swan yesterday disputed estimates that there was a $120 billion bill for taxpayers over the rest of the decade as result of Labor commitments.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_to_slash_public_servants_AaDh5IXWpXpSO9xdbPwoWM




The alp are more sneaky, they call it efficiency dividend not redundancy lol


So you don't like Sloan read this one then
 

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So you don't like Sloan read this one then

Gee your sharp Surely. As sharp asa pound of wet leather.

Article date August 2012. Please keep up... keep up to the now.
From your august article........
"and revenue shortfalls to keep the surplus forecast this financial year on track"

Our tripple AAA rated economy ... still intact ... still the envy of the world.

To maintain our economy we need to be flexible.... so be it.

Did you hear Treasurer Swan in late Dec 2012. Probably not. But a huge majority of economist agreed with his decision and had been calling for it prior to his announcement. Judith probably dissented.
 

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Gee your sharp Surely. As sharp asa pound of wet leather.

Article date August 2012. Please keep up... keep up to the now.
From your august article........
"and revenue shortfalls to keep the surplus forecast this financial year on track"

Our tripple AAA rated economy ... still intact ... still the envy of the world.

To maintain our economy we need to be flexible.... so be it.

Did you hear Treasurer Swan in late Dec 2012. Probably not. But a huge majority of economist agreed with his decision and had been calling for it prior to his announcement. Judith probably dissented.


yeah that was an article about what they were going to do, going by the unemployment figures they were successful.

So when cando makes similar cuts to try to get the states finances in shape and regain that AAA credit rating you get upset.

Go figure.
 

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yeah that was an article about what they were going to do, going by the unemployment figures they were successful.

So when cando makes similar cuts to try to get the states finances in shape and regain that AAA credit rating you get upset.

Go figure.

Surely look at the Graph..... look at the facts

newman-graph-1.jpg



Now check the date of the Qld Election .... (24th March)

Now look at the blue line going up since March 12....

And then look at the red line for "rest of australia"

Can you understand where the unemployment problem is rising from.

I think the main fact can be traced to the Brisbane CBD area.

Now dont be so silly.

Joes already pencilled in another 20,000 if the Fibs get in. Straight away.. garzonkkkk, wammoooo.... gone.

Your article posted mentions 4,200 over two years nationally. Hmmmmmm a little bit different. Can't Do has dropped 24,000 already, thats 19,800 more in a year then what you article implies, before the matter was re-assessed.

But facts are facts I guess....
 
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