O/T: Foran, Rothfield and Hayson

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  1. phantom eel

    phantom eel First Grade

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    Because the Foran Release thread has for some reason turned into pages and pages of Pou debating stats comparing Watmough and Beau Scott...

    Here is a thread with:

    a) a link to the 27min audio of Rothfield's interview with Foran
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=9c94a3b6d7f710d360741c8b2087d672-1469948317

    b) a link to the accompanying Sunday Telegraph story of 31 July
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/172925890e917c4ffa125da767ce4307

    c) a place people can actually discuss Foran developments without being taken down on of Pou's obstinate tangential diversions.
     
  2. phantom eel

    phantom eel First Grade

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    Salvaged posts from this morning (4 pages ago in teh Foran release thread):

     
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    More salvaged...

     
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    More salvaged...

     
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    More salvaged... only buried by three pages of Pou now.
     
  6. Gronk

    Gronk Moderator Staff Member

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    Unless I am mistaken @Gary Gutful made a funny about Ben Hannant being bi polar because of his Alvaro hair colour.
     
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  7. phantom eel

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    I think this is the rest of the Foran posts from the other Foran thread, before it became a Watmough-Scott thread...?
    Feel free to carry on with on-topic Foran discussion here... ;)
     
  8. phantom eel

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    @EelsFan05 - agree about Scott seeming the safer option in hindsight. But isn't Scott with us to be closer to Westmead for family medical reasons? Beau may well have declined the start of season leadership role, and in February when captaincy was announced, things might have been looking on the up for Foran?

    @Snoochies - I'd imagine it's a tough thing to deal with even without the public scrutiny. Foran's appearsto have done nothing that harmed anyone else, that's why I can't judge him too harshly for deciding he needed a release from league for the time being, to try and get things flowing right without the employment pressure.

    @Pou - he was staying with his brother at Cessnock, the only reason he took an apartment in the city was to try and cut down the driving tiem to and from training, which he explains in the interview was doing him in. I don't think the city apartment was a factor in Foran's overdose on prescription drugs.
     
  9. Gronk

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    Sports and Mental Illness: How Bipolar Disorder Can Affect Athletic Performance

    By Tim McGhee, Correspondent

    Bipolar disorder is a physical disease of the brain affecting the thoughts, feelings, perception, and behavior of the afflicted.

    The name "bipolar" stems from the nature of the illness. The moods of a person suffering from bipolar disorder typically range from euphoria to despondence, at times random, or at times triggered by an action or event.

    This oscillation between extreme mood states, commonly called “mood swings,” is indeed abnormal and can be dangerous to the life of a person with bipolar disorder.

    Bipolars are, at the least, annoying to those close to the them. The mood swings influence the person’s inability to live in the real world and make wise real world decisions.

    I am among the 2.6 percent of the adult population in the United States diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

    God help those who are bipolar but haven't been diagnosed.

    ******

    What is bipolar disorder, you may ask. Well, from one lay person to others, I offer a pretty good explanation in the following paragraphs:

    The human brain consists of neurons, or groups of charged brain cells, that process information through electrical and chemical signaling. Neurons control the operation of the brain, telling the mind and the body what to do.

    Neurons are connected by synapses, which are essentially the "wires" through which the neurons "fire" their messages to other neurons, allowing the neurons to communicate.

    The synapses of a person suffering bipolar disorder are chemically different than those of a person who is not bipolar. This abnormal, or imbalanced, chemistry causes that brain's neurons to "misfire," adversely affecting the transmission of the messages.

    Interestingly, due to the chemically abnormal synapses and their effects on neuron messages, the root cause of bipolar disorder as a mental illness is a physical disease of the brain.

    As of this writing, bipolar disorder cannot be cured. The illness, however, can be treated and treated successfully in many cases.

    People with bipolar disorder probably acquired the disease genetically. Two thirds of those with bipolar disorder have at least one close relative afflicted with the illness.

    Here's what I ask: If you do anything with my anecdotal knowledge about bipolar disorder, I urge you to please consider the physical nature of the disease and take it seriously.

    Please understand this: Bipolar disorder is not a character flaw, is notSatan in my soul, and is not punishment from God for my sinful life.

    Trust me. I've heard them all. A lot of it is wrong.

    ******

    Read entire article here ---> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...olar-disorder-can-affect-athletic-performance
     
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    My 2 cents is that I listened to the 27min Rothfield interview and as much it was designed to repair Foz's reputation as much as it was Haysons (LOL Rothfileld you've been caught out) it's pretty clear that Foz is hurting and his release is a good outcome for the Eels.

    From Foz's point of view I wish him well in his quest to get as normal in life as he can. If Des wants to sign him them good luck with that because to build a team around a player who is is bipolar is a massive risk. Just as BA.

    PS. I know that some will post that Foz has just played the depression card as an excuse for his actions, however I believe that he is ill as diagnosed. His actions are a result of his disease, rather than visa versa.
     
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    Agree, the reported incidents for Foran in the past 9 months do all seem as a consequence of his mental health diagnosis (from December), rather than the diagnosis coming after a long series of unexplained behavioural incidents (a la Tim Smith).

    I added Hayson's name in the title for this thread, as I expect there will be more discussion to come as the News Limited investigation of Rothfield's links with Hayson continues... not that there's anything wrong with reimbursing a mate's TAB account with $2K for all the NRL tickets that he got you during the past season?
     
  13. The Phelan Folly

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    Thats great Barry! You can go a step further & caramalise your onions in beer/sugar & add that to the chorizos once they've browned. Get the soup simmering add a few reggiano or padano rinds - they'll thicken the soup & add some umami goodness.
     
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    I think you're in the wrong thread, mate? You probably want Pou's Watmough v Scott thread...
     
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    Obviously. Running metres are a 'primary stat', if you will, because they indicate an unambiguous advantage to the attacking team. Offloads, as I've said three or four times now, indicate no measure of whether the offload was beneficial to the attacking team or not. Here's a stat for you - last weekend six of the teams with the most running metres in their game won, while the winning team had the most offloads in only three games. So far this round it is more even, with 4/7 winners having the most offloads and 5/7 the most running metres. But the teams that won their match with less running metres had an average of only 12 metres less (out of about 1500), so less than 1%. Meanwhile the teams who won with less offloads were out-offloaded (yes it's a word) by an average of 7 offloads to 15. That's over 100% difference.

    Why is that ridiculous? A team's primary go-forward winger (if they have one, and we must have one with lightweight French on the other wing) is a major contributor to its attack. While Faraimo is on our team he is a key attacking player. The main reason he is a backup is because he is a liability in defence (against both the run and the kick). Likewise Vai Toutai last night.

    If I were to downgrade him to a 5 out of 10 (for example) then I would have to downgrade Scott even lower. In 17 games this year the best contribution to our running metres has been 7th (as in, he had the 7th highest running metres on our team that day). On six occasions 13 players on our team have run for more metres than him. He has only been in the top half of contributors to our running metres twice in 17 games. If Watmough is average then Scott is a long way below average.

    We actually scored more points last year (per game). We have won more this year due to much better defence. The addition of so many quality defenders (including Scott) and the loss of Sandow are the causes of that.

    Agreed mate, you're never going to change your mind, even after showing you how little Scott is contributing to our attack this year. He just doesn't make the metres so he throws a few offloads. At least he makes good decisions on when to throw them.
     
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    Sorry - i thought I was in the 3 2 1 thread....
     
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    Thats all well & good - but until Gary Gutful makes a humorously irreverent post on the topic, how are we meant to know how many tissues Avenger has used up on the Hayne conundrum? Think of the children!
     
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    I guess you're right. I may as well f**ken go back and delete all my posts in every thread except this one.
     
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    Haha Happy MEel apologises to all for going off topic and pulls up stumps on the discussion yet Pou keeps arguing (with himself it now seems) with what may be the longest post of the argument.
     
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