O/T: If the Roosters sack Carney...

[SDM]

If someone at your work is a drunk, they eventually get the sack
for not meeting their agreed targets/standards etc.

Do you then as a company, or as an industry as a whole, attempt to
tackle the issue of alcohol abuse and addiction?

 

[Twizzle]

depends how valuable he is to the company

 

[Gronk]

Yawn, this is Tim Smith all over. Education vs player responsibility. He's had a fair go, he really has. Sack him.

 

[Gronk]

depends how valuable he is to the company

Yeah my wife's old work place had a guy who was pissed 24/7, but he brought in $10M's and himself earnt seven figures. They only punted Party Boy when he groped a female one time too many and they had a law suit on their hands.

I guess the Dally M winner is as valuable as Party Boy was. :roll:

 

[cgee221]

If someone at your work is a drunk, they eventually get the sack
for not meeting their agreed targets/standards etc.

Yes, agreed. They are not representing the business appropriately or in accordance with its values and ethics.

Do you then as a company, or as an industry as a whole, attempt to
tackle the issue of alcohol abuse and addiction?

You shouldn't have too because appropriate measures should be put in place to begin with to educate people on what's acceptable behaviour and what's not. Again, there is no proactive measures. Cases like Todd Carney just bring it to light that the industry has not appropriately addressed these issues, let alone society.

If a company did what you just questioned then they would be reactive. I'm saying the NRL should be the exact opposite of that.

 

[forward pass]

Yawn, this is Tim Smith all over. Education vs player responsibility. He's had a fair go, he really has. Sack him.

Lets look at this.

This was not a club policy to stop players drinking. This was just the players getting together amongst themselves and pledging to not drink.

No club rules broken, no laws broken! Bit ridiculous to be sacked for that. The only thing they have broken is the trust of their team mates and that is something they are going to have to deal and live with.

 

[cgee221]

Yawn, this is Tim Smith all over. Education vs player responsibility. He's had a fair go, he really has. Sack him.

Yes, he has. Todd Carney has had way too many chances, but education as a whole throughout the league is still not good enough.

 

[Gronk]

Yes, he has. Todd Carney has had way too many chances, but education as a whole throughout the league is still not good enough.

Is it the governments fault for each and every person currently in jail ? Did the system let them down too ? Maybe 3% yes, the rest are just dickheads.

 

[Silent But Deadly]

Carney has serious issues. They won't be fixed whilst he exists in an NRL/professional sports culture. He needs to do a Ben Cousins - quit the game for 12 months and check himseelf into rehab!

 

[cgee221]

Is it the governments fault for each and every person currently in jail ? Did the system let them down too ? Maybe 3% yes, the rest are just dickheads.

Well it's like you said, education vs player responsibility or the system vs the individual.

We are all human beings with free will, no denying that.

I'm speaking merely from the NRL's P.O.V where more has to be done education wise.

Similarly offenders should be dealt with more harshly and there needs to be stronger deterrents as well. The only problem with that is the NRL/rugby league doesn't have the bargaining power because of it's lack of $$ to put the stars in its place appropriately. Therefore the players/employees have leverage over the system because the system needs them (otherwise they'll go to RU; AFL; ESL; etc)

If the NRL was making the type of dollars the NFL or NBA or MLB is. players like Todd Carney would have been sacked long ago... unfortunately he is just like the party boy from your wife's old workplace. His value as an entertainer and generator of revenue for the Roosters and the game is seen as more valuable than his misdemeanour's.

Now if Todd is so valuable to the NRL as an entertainer and revenue generator, wouldn't it be in the NRL's best interests to educate him better and resolve the real issues? If so do it, if not punt him. If the NRL continues to allow Todd Carney to be a registered player, then yes, they are letting him down because they as his employer have the responsibility to train him to be the best representative of their company.

Personally I think he's had way too many chances and it's his antics that deter people from this great game of ours. Either way the NRL has a responsibility to Todd. Either let him go or fix the real problems, and be proactive about it, so in the future, problems, with any player/club of this nature don't rise. Essentially it is rugby league's name that gets dragged through the mud, not just Todd's or the Roosters. So that is why the NRL has this responsibility, they are relenquished of this responsibility however, if Todd is released.

 

[TeHEel]

Lets look at this.

This was not a club policy to stop players drinking. This was just the players getting together amongst themselves and pledging to not drink.

No club rules broken, no laws broken! Bit ridiculous to be sacked for that. The only thing they have broken is the trust of their team mates and that is something they are going to have to deal and live with.

Agree and can't believe everyone glosses over this point... Not sack worthy or deregistration as some have said...

 

[Gronk]

Agree and can't believe everyone glosses over this point... Not sack worthy or deregistration as some have said...

Ok can we at least agree that the only person from the Roosters that is sack worthy is Braith's missus ?

 

[JoeyJoJo83]

In all honestly this is just plain stupid. Why should Carney get the sack???

Yes Carney may have a drinking problem BUT did he do anything over the weekend to warrant him being sacked? or even have the question raised?

Did he get into a fight with someone?
Was he found peeing in public?
Was he driving under the influence?
Was he resisting arrest?
Was he found passed out butt naked on Oxford St?

Unless he has it written in his contract thats he is not allowed to go out drinking in public he has every right to do so.

 

[JoeyJoJo83]

Ok can we at least agree that the only person from the Roosters that is sack worthy is Braith's missus ?

:thumb Agree

 

[Seccie]

I think you will find that he already has screwed himself.
It is sad that a boy with so much talent is an empty head..

... and his empty head is located inside his smaller head... 8=D

 

[Seccie]

Carney has serious issues. They won't be fixed whilst he exists in an NRL/professional sports culture. He needs to do a Ben Cousins - quit the game for 12 months and check himseelf into rehab!

or get himself a REAL job...

 

[Gronk]

Roosters sack Carney.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ough-roosters-sack-carney-20110903-1jren.html

They must have something up their sleeves to do this. As much as they try to sell the moral crusaders image, I bet they would keep him unless they had his position covered. Pierce, Anasta & SBW maybe ? He's certainly on the market with the Western Force this morning talking up their chances.

 

[Twizzle]

maybe they have signed Morts

 

[Kornstar]

maybe they have signed Morts

 

[spartan2153]

I think he will end up at the panthers under Gould