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Observation 4:kicking game.

Chimp

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who gives a toss about torpedo bombs.
most back 3 catch these with no problems these days.
the main objectives are field position and limit the kick return.
a high no frills bomb to the corner caught on the full has the same outcome as one that finds space as long as the defensive line capitalises on the opportunity of time.
our kicks, kick metres and forced drop outs are just fine.
quite a benchmark actually.
variety is all we lack because we rely on Chad TOO much.
and that's not Chad's fault btw.

His ‘high, no frills bombs’ aren’t even high - it’s like he knows if he tries to put anything like a decent bomb up, he’ll have no control over where it goes, so just flicks a half arsed kick up, landing 10
meters out (to avoid the risk of a 7 tackle set), won’t try put any real height or deception on it, as that might go wrong... Surely we’re not that risk averse that it’s coached to do those kicks EVERY TIME.

Then the long (supposedly) kicking game - even again if it was a ‘zero risk’ approach we’re taking under coaches orders, there’s no way he’s being coached to kick to the wingers/fullback on the full, EVERY TIME.

The long and high kicking game is absolutely dreadful - zero threat, zero intent, zero skill and zero results.

His shorter kicking to in-goal had improved, but for some reason, we do very little of it.
 
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His ‘high, no frills bombs’ aren’t even high - it’s like he knows if he tries to put anything like a decent bomb up, he’ll have no control over where it goes, so just flicks a half arsed kick up, landing 10
meters out (to avoid the risk of a 7 tackle set), won’t try put any real height or deception on it, as that might go wrong... Surely we’re not that risk averse that it’s coached to do those kicks EVERY TIME.
how high is high?
there is nothing that says a high kick = a successful kick.
lower trajectory kicks are easier to time for outside runners.
Then the long (supposedly) kicking game - even again if it was a ‘zero risk’ approach we’re taking under coaches orders, there’s no way he’s being coached to kick to the wingers/fullback on the full, EVERY TIME.
finding the grass ain't an easy task.
68M covered by essentially 3 FB.
easy to criticise without picturing how hard the feat actually is.
even harder with a slow play the ball and kick pressure.
The long and high kicking game is absolutely dreadful - zero threat, zero intent, zero skill and zero results.
2nd in avg. kick metres per game - 401M
take chad out.
who's getting us field position? Moyzahhhhhh?
His shorter kicking to in-goal had improved, but for some reason, we do very little of it.
2nd forced drop outs on 25.
Most of them by Chad.
Penrith 28.

facts are the facts.
may not support some agendas in here lol
 

Chimp

Juniors
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how high is high?
there is nothing that says a high kick = a successful kick.
lower trajectory kicks are easier to time for outside runners.

finding the grass ain't an easy task.
68M covered by essentially 3 FB.
easy to criticise without picturing how hard the feat actually is.
even harder with a slow play the ball and kick pressure.

2nd in avg. kick metres per game - 401M
take chad out.
who's getting us field position? Moyzahhhhhh?

2nd forced drop outs on 25.
Most of them by Chad.
Penrith 28.

facts are the facts.
may not support some agendas in here lol
The reason Chad has high av kick meters is because (as you point out) he’s our only kicker at the moment, whereas most teams at least have some sharing of duties. That’s not Chads fault though, however, his long kicks are still shite - and yes, it might be more difficult to find the grass, but the good halves manage to do it at least semi-regular - Chad never finds the grass, and doesn’t have the length of many of the more natural kickers out there.
As for how high should they be - at least high enough to allow his chasers to challenge for the ball - his are powder puff.
 

DJDL

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how high is high?
there is nothing that says a high kick = a successful kick.
lower trajectory kicks are easier to time for outside runners.

High enough that the chasers are arriving as the ball is coming down, and are able to compete for it.
This is something which is sorely lacking at present. Seemingly every bomb is taken uncontested, and under no pressure, save for one or two a match. It's simply not good enough.
 
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The reason Chad has high av kick meters is because (as you point out) he’s our only kicker at the moment, whereas most teams at least have some sharing of duties. That’s not Chads fault though, however, his long kicks are still shite - and yes, it might be more difficult to find the grass, but the good halves manage to do it at least semi-regular - Chad never finds the grass, and doesn’t have the length of many of the more natural kickers out there.
As for how high should they be - at least high enough to allow his chasers to challenge for the ball - his are powder puff.
He's our only kicker because he's our best kicker in an otherwise inexperienced spine.
sits second overall to cleary at 495m.
Sits top four avg. metres per kick.
One of a few averaging over 30m.
Funnily enough cleary isn't one of them.
Johnson kicks but he is injured.
Moylan is not a game management kicker.
Other halves are finding the grass because their forwards are setting a better platform for hit.
You're more likely to find the grass off dominant attacking sets or kicking early.
Height is the same as how long is a piece of string.
Its contextual based on field position.
If you're expecting him to put up hail mary's from our own 30m.
I'd be more concerned why we aren't getting further up the field.
 
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High enough that the chasers are arriving as the ball is coming down, and are able to compete for it.
This is something which is sorely lacking at present. Seemingly every bomb is taken uncontested, and under no pressure, save for one or two a match. It's simply not good enough.
they have been high enough for our players to compete.
we've scored a few off kicks from chad.
fifitas try assist was preceded by a well placed chad kick at the line.
there are quite a few more.
 

Chimp

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they have been high enough for our players to compete.
we've scored a few off kicks from chad.
fifitas try assist was preceded by a well placed chad kick at the line.
there are quite a few more.
If you’re happy with those shitty bombs of his, you’re watching a different game to me.... They’re shite, absolute dog shite - they’re the most simply of kicks to defend/catch. If you’re putting an attacking bomb up (obviously we don’t want him to bomb from our own 30 as you alluded to earlier), you want to make it land as close to the line as possible, you want it as difficult to catch as possible, and you want it to go high enough for your chasers to get there and challenge, and if you’re really honest, you want some variety, again to make it less predictable and easy to defend - Chad does none of that, they’re shite.
What’s not Chads fault is that he’s the best of an absolute shambles of kicking options bunch - though I suspect Kennedy would probably be a better kicker as he looks more natural, but we need him as a chaser.
Our kicking game is awful, awful lack of options, and our only option is awful - surely you’re not happy with our kicking game?
 
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you want to make it land as close to the line as possible, you want it as difficult to catch as possible
accuracy is the most important aspect.
if you want difficulty in catching you are looking at a torpedo bomb or bomb where you hit the middle of the ball.
these are low percentage kicks.
don't always work and are harder to predict where they land.
that is why he kicks drop punt because they are accurate.
Our kicking game is awful, awful lack of options, and our only option is awful - surely you’re not happy with our kicking game?
I'm comfortable with our kicking game given the circumstances.
and I've given evidence over subjectivity which most want to lean on in here.
 

snout

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Seriously?? - How the f**k can anyone defend chads kicking game??
Height??
Avge metres?
Top 4??

We need a kick that brings the fullback forward. So straight away hes uncomfortable. We want the ball to land where the lead chaser is so he can compete to either catch it or knock it back.
We want that most, if not every, bomb. So the back 3 know theyre going to get muscled. Be under pressure. All game. And that plays on their mind specifically in positioning.
At the moment they know its an easy catch. No pressure and can build up steam to run it back and get their first play the ball in good position.

This happens all game. Every game. For years.
Let alone some spin. If we could just pressure the fullback
That would be a huge improvement
 
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Seriously?? - How the f**k can anyone defend chads kicking game??
Height??
Avge metres?
Top 4??

We need a kick that brings the fullback forward. So straight away hes uncomfortable. We want the ball to land where the lead chaser is so he can compete to either catch it or knock it back.
We want that mos, if not every bomb. So the back 3 know theyre going to get muscled. Be under pressure. All game. And that plays on their mind specifically in positioning.
At the moment they know its an easy catch. No pressure and can build up steam to run it back and get their first play the ball in good position.

This happens all game. Every game. For years.
Let alone some spin. If we could just pressure the fullback
That would be a huge improvement
bring the fullback forward you say.
so we want shorter kicks not longer ones?
most of what you describe is achieved through a more urgent kick chase.
don't blame the kick if no merkins chasing it.
 

snout

First Grade
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bring the fullback forward you say.
so we want shorter kicks not longer ones?
most of what you describe is achieved through a more urgent kick chase.
don't blame the kick if no merkins chasing it.
Shorter kicks?
Longer kicks?
Higher kicks?

You want a kick that makes it a lottery.
That we have some chance of getting the ball.
If we put up a bomb, a cross-kick or a whatever....say we put ip 10 a game - it would be nice to get the ball or even score if a couple. Or 3.
4?

At the moment its a straight turnover of possession.
 
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Shorter kicks?
Longer kicks?
Higher kicks?

You want a kick that makes it a lottery.
That we have some chance of getting the ball.
If we put up a bomb, a cross-kick or a whatever....say we put ip 10 a game - it would be nice to get the ball or even score if a couple. Or 3.
4?

At the moment its a straight turnover of possession.
we do and have scored.
too much confirmation bias in here.
probably too many beers had during the game as well.
 

snout

First Grade
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We have scored off a bomb or cross kick this year - from chad?

What round / opponent?
 

DJDL

Bench
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Against the Rabbitohs. Woods’ try.

That’s about it.

Honestly, last weekend catching his bombs was like shelling peas. It’s embarrassing.
 

Craigshark

First Grade
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Chad puts a bomb up 30 metres out and it comes down on the 20 metre line.. he’s shit.. no shit he is averaging some of the most kick metres in the comp, no other player in our team kicks lol
 

pandapat

Juniors
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Has anyone mentioned 40/20’s yet? Or at least our complete lack of even attempting them? We’ve spent so much time struggling to get out of our own end, that I struggle to fathom that nobody in our team is playing eyes up enough to even try kicking one.
I know my memories not great to begin with, but I can genuinely only remember Brayley kicking one at some point last season.
 

Griffoshark66

First Grade
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He's poo. He has been dropped. Looking forward to this weekend now. My 8 year old asked me why he makes it easy for the other team when he kicks down field...all I could say is that he's just not very good.
 
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