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ozbash

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Hey smartalec,

For some reason your post gets up my nose.

The facts are there was a telephone conference call involving the selectors and Kearney and Wayne Bennett. Bennett pushed for Nightingale and the others didn't think he was eligible. Wary the others are fearful of Grannygate 2, Bennett gets his wife to ring Nightingale's parents while the conference call is going. Nightingale's parents confirm their New Zealand connections and its relayed back into the teleconference. The team naming is delayed and nearly misses the 6pm news on both networks in New Zealand as the NZRL waits on birth certificates to be faxed to them and then onto the relevant parties to prove his heritage. Once that is confirmed, Nightingale is confirmed in the squad. 24 hours ago he wasn't being considered but because of Bennett's inside knowledge, he's there.

Not ramblings mate.... solid journalism. If we report it, take it as fact.

you are a fact stanners.

do you ever actually attend games or just loiter at training sessions ?
 

Hatzy

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Not ramblings mate.... solid journalism. If we report it, take it as fact.

Please don't put solid journalism and TVNZ in the same sentence Craigy baby, especially in relation to rugby league and especially when you are reporting.

Oooooooooo :shock:
 
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Must of backed off about dropping Asotasi - or SBW turned down captaincy to prevent bad feeling in camp.

Hence why kidwell was named? He is a leader both on and off the field. Assistant Coach maybe.lol

Glad Fien didnt get picked.

Remember some players wont play in a black jersey again, based on bad peformances on and off the field.

I think Matai should be in the mix either at centre or winger.

Through in Rapira, Harrison, Matai, Stanley, Marshall, Vatuvei and SKD - That will be a good world cup squad.

Good too see they picked Nightengale instead of Covell. REal glad.


WTF!!!!!

Asostasi getting dropped :lol::lol::lol:
 
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Hey smartalec,

For some reason your post gets up my nose.

The facts are there was a telephone conference call involving the selectors and Kearney and Wayne Bennett. Bennett pushed for Nightingale and the others didn't think he was eligible. Wary the others are fearful of Grannygate 2, Bennett gets his wife to ring Nightingale's parents while the conference call is going. Nightingale's parents confirm their New Zealand connections and its relayed back into the teleconference. The team naming is delayed and nearly misses the 6pm news on both networks in New Zealand as the NZRL waits on birth certificates to be faxed to them and then onto the relevant parties to prove his heritage. Once that is confirmed, Nightingale is confirmed in the squad. 24 hours ago he wasn't being considered but because of Bennett's inside knowledge, he's there.

Not ramblings mate.... solid journalism. If we report it, take it as fact.


The ace reporter is back. Welcome back scoop.


Idiot
 

Craig Stanaway

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I back you on that one. All nearly all league reporters in all media are sh*te. Particularly the papers they are extremely sh*te.

Stanaway is crap but at least one's coverage of league is getting better.

Thanks for the back handed compliment. You know, even from behind the scenes I may just have something to do with One's coverage.

I see the latest thing you guys are hammering me over is the 'divisive' comment regarding Bennett about six months ago. I don't know why I feel compelled to justify myself but here goes (I sense your backlash as I type). I have a family member who worked for the Broncos until recently. I have a heap of family living in Brisbane. Bennett alienated himself at the Broncos despite being able to have the job for life. Now I'm sure you'll criticise the writer of this piece or find some other way of running me down but try to stick to facts rather than just get personal. It's only here to illustrates the way Bennett came to quit. There were plenty of different things written but I'm not prepared to pay the subscription fee for the SMH or Courier Mail to find the specific articles I want to illustrate this point better. However, this still does the business. Even the sceptics of you who don't trust the media, and it appears there are many of you, should concede that a bit of this OPINION piece at the end of my 'rambling' just might have a bit of truth to it...

Divisive definition: "creating dissension or discord"

Regarding the 'yesterday's man' comment.
Brian McClennan beat Bennett in the 05 Tri Nations and he quit. At the time I was questioning why the NZRL's number one target appeared to be the man who's career was ended by McClennan, rather than go back to McClennan himself. Obviously a couple of days later McClennan ruled himself out to return to the Kiwis job but at that time he hadn't even been approached. Bennett also will never be considered to coach the Kangaroos again. Therefore, he must surely be 'yesterday's man'. And as a personal opinion, I don't think we should be crawling over glass to get an Aussie to coach the Kiwis. It just seemed desperate from where I stood. Even Bennett in the end felt it was better that a kiwi coached the Kiwis because a kiwi knows the mindset better. There's also no doubt Bennett would have been a PR disaster for the Kiwis trying to repair a battered image. Sure it's the coaching and results where it counts but one and two word answers to the media (and therefore the fans) wouldn't have gone down well in this country.

Here's this article anyway.... I'm readying myself for your 'idiot' 'wanker' replies as I type :shock:

BRISBANE Broncos coach Wayne Bennett is a paranoid conspiracy theorist from way back.
If he reads this column, he will no doubt put it down to being another part of the alleged News Limited-driven campaign against him.
What he won't see - and has never been able to see - is that he has many weaknesses which have driven away dozens of his closest allies over recent years.
Bennett loves to liken himself to former Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy. He sees himself as the doyen of league coaches - a man who takes pride in being his own person, who reads the game like no other before him and who engenders a fierce loyalty among his players.
The fact is that Bennett is nothing at all like Sheedy. Bennett has won six premierships in his 20 years with Brisbane, but the similarities with the great Essendon master begin and end there.
Kevin Sheedy and Wayne Bennett are different in one very crucial way. Bennett did not remain loyal. Sheedy did.
The scenes which come to mind when Kevin Sheedy bowed out of the coaching game were the stuff of fairytales. He embraced James Hird, stood down with dignity and didn't burn a single bridge in the process.
Bennett's former charges - the players who delivered him the premierships - can't say the same for their old coach.
It should be pointed out that these players would quite literally have died for Bennett. Superstars of the game, all of them, they never questioned his judgment or the tough decisions he made when it came to shedding their teammates. They stuck to him through absolutely everything.
The fact is that these days, only a resilient handful remain close to Bennett. Most of them can't bear to talk about him. Others just walk away when his name comes up to save them themselves from having to tell the truth.
He didn't blink when he sacked one of the club's most loyal sons, former player and coach Kevin Walters. Just last season, he let Petero Civoniceva walk out of the club after 10 seasons. The big champion was forced to uproot his young family and move to Penrith for the remainder of his career.
In the AFL, that is like Sheedy letting Hird go to Perth.
Civoniceva has been there since he started playing first grade when he was a 20-year-old plucked out of suburban footy in Brisbane.
Hard-nosed Broncos fans say Bennett's brutal decisions have delivered where it counts. He has made a point of getting teams into finals nearly every year he has been at the club.
But somewhere along the line, Bennett lost sight of the values he claims to treasure most - loyalty, mateship and a sense of family.
In the past few weeks, Bennett has mustered a variety of supporters from the rugby league media and fed them a lot of rubbish about being forced out of the club by the club and its owners, News Limited.
None of his cronies have mentioned that it was, in fact, Bennett who soured the relationship he had with his chief executive, Bruno Cullen. The club had basically given him a lifetime contract, but that wasn't enough.
The Broncos coach agreed to terms with the Sydney Roosters two years ago. He told the Sydney club he would only join them if the story didn't break in the media. Bennett had not told his former great friend, Cullen, or anyone else at the Broncos about his plans.
The story did break and Bennett pulled the pin on the deal. So began a campaign of misinformation from the Bennett camp (so-called "close friends" were always quoted - never Bennett himself).
The bottom line is that Bennett should have been frogmarched by the Broncos board on the very day the story broke. If he had applied the same principles to himself that he claims to have held so dearly for all of these years, he would have resigned.
But no. Bennett stayed on.
Then came the stories of secret payments from third parties which Bennett admits he has been taking for many years. He blamed News Limited for those too.
Last year, Bennett was awarded a life membership at the Broncos - an honour bestowed on only a select few. He walked on to the stage, took the award from his old mate Cullen and walked off without a word.
The gobsmacking arrogance of his behaviour didn't go unnoticed by many players who had bled for Bennett in their playing days.
They cringe when they speak of their old coach now. One said to me just last week: "How could I have ever been so stupid to fall for his crap?"
He's not the only one. Wayne Bennett will leave the club on his terms at the end of 2008. Bennett's growing list of detractors wish that he hadn't been given that opportunity.
The good news is that the Broncos can start to welcome back some of those former champions when he eventually leaves the building.
 

ozbash

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Here's this article anyway.... I'm readying myself for your 'idiot' 'wanker' replies as I type

lol, guilty conscience craig ?

when I read that drivel it comes as no surprise why people like Bennett avoid the media as if it was the plaque. Shame really, cos people as skilled at their job as Wayne Bennett have a lot to offer and their philosophy on the sport is genuine and interesting, unlike the attention seeking, sensationalist, media f**kwits under orders to 'get the ratings up or look for a new job'.

You just dont see it, do you ?

The majority of league fans dont give a red rats about your phoney opinion pieces,
You get the odd genuine person who tells the story of the game honestly (doesnt need to rely on sh*t to get their message across), people like them are few and far between but you could do well to seek them out. John Coffey springs to mind.

You just never know, people might start listening/reading what you are saying.
 

Hatzy

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Craig I don't think anyone really faults your reporting in terms of the accuracy.

I think people don't like the approach that you or your fellow colleagues bring to the table when covering our game.

You said earlier that you don't neglect the bad or overstate the good. I think that statement is wrong, I believe you understate the good and overstate the bad.
 

MKEB...

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Mr Stanaway,

Thank you for replying,
You may have a contact or two in a training capacity of a decent club, that is great.
But My guess is that you are the fella that does the Rugby league bulletins because you drew the short straw.

When your knowledge of the sport betters your knowledge of people in the game ,you might pen (talk a decent article) until then most in here will consider your pieces for what they are; stories.

You profess to different ideas of Bennett, his arrogance, losing the trinations to the Kiwis and the way he singlehandedly made his job untenable at the broncos.
Some of us find that a little difficult to palate. One, Kiwis had nothing to lose and Aussie did. Also how many other coaches have spent umpteen years at a single club.

The article that you copied here is tabloid material and short on facts.

I understand your comment I wouldnt walk over glass to get yeaterdays coach, and I respect that...He would have been a hell of a lot than better Kemble (no disrespect to Kearney). Had you watched last years NRL you would have seen that he taken a massively understrength Broncos side into the finals...Yesterdays coach, I think not.

I will pay you your dues though...You are better than McIvor and Wopo.


Cheers

Craig Olander
 

JB

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Hmmm, interesting Craig. Let me ask you. After the dealings you've had with the new Kiwi coaching hierachy so far, do you still think he's "devisive" or "yesterday's man"?

From your own post about his foresight in making sure Nightingale's credentials we're all legit (early days, but good signs wouldn't you say), to the All Golds tour where highly respected Kiwi legends raved about him, and (admittedly he did have the benefit of experienced players) that was about the only time during that tour those player's looked united. Hardly a disruptive influence i would have thought?

While no doubt, that opinion piece may have some legs to it. Hardly any earth shattering issues that no doubt many coaches, let alone one that's been there 20 years since inception should come across.

Why do i feel like TV1 sport's RL department has an agenda against Wayne Bennett. Interesting piece tonight implying Bennett's connection with the Dragons is why Nightingale made the squad (which incidently is the impression that led me to make my post in which you replied to last night). I think ozbash's comment's regarding sensationalism and ratings might just apply here.
 
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Hes sh*t in the Kiwis. Not a match winner or a match turner. He goes all right for the Tigers but hasnt made an impact at test level yet
 
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Anyone watch the footy show with Kearney and SBW on. Fricken brilliant to watch. Kearney said he is confident that Webb and Thomas will be back becos of Wayne Bennett and the contacts he has in the heirachy of the game.
 

Craig Stanaway

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Had you watched last years NRL you would have seen that he taken a massively understrength Broncos side into the finals...Yesterdays coach, I think not.

I see what you're saying and it's a fair point but maybe we're arguing apples with pears here. The infrastructure surrounding the Broncos is a model which every other club aspires to be. The NZRL on the other hand lurches from crisis to crisis. I don't think you could ever criticise him for what he's achieved at the Broncos but I think he would have struggled greatly under the restraints here.

You said earlier that you don't neglect the bad or overstate the good. I think that statement is wrong, I believe you understate the good and overstate the bad.

I can understand your frustration. Much as though you'll be surprised by this, I don't enjoy doing the negative stuff. But I get my back up when I think long suffering fans are getting short changed (whatever the sport I'm covering) and I may go in harder than other journos do....

You only have to look at Crockett getting selected last week for the Warriors. For a club that has made massive strides in turning around its public perception, this alleged rape complaint is not only horrible for the woman but the club.... and even worse if for Crockett if the allegation is proved to be false. I also feel sorry for the likes of Hart, Scurrah and Cleary who've turned the club around. Afterall, A sizable proportion of Mount Smart's paying public are women. And whether the players like it or not, they are role models for the kids who's schools they turn up to. But I think it's a legit question to ask Cleary whether he should be kept out of first grade while the cloud remains over his head. And he answered the question. I don't think any other media organisation asked him a question like that because I didn't see anyone else report quotes from him. I don't think I'm going in hard, I'm not predjudicing the case but it is news and while it's easy to ignore it or sweep it under the carpet, you have to confront it.

Rugby is getting a hammering at the moment in the media but many journos could go harder.

But the only reason I post here ocassionally is because I love vigorous debate on anything. You can disagree with people but everyone is entitled to an opinion. And I like to be proved wrong and I like to give perspective on things you obvoiusly hate me doing. I don't know how much more league I will be doing this year anyhow. They've cancelled me going to the Centenary Test (Evan Charlton will be doing it) and my other commitments look as though they could be scaled down too because of the olympics. So rejoice, you maybe about to get a big break from me. But if a scandal breaks in Beijing, be sure I won't give it a light once over. I will treat it the same as any league story.
 
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Hes sh*t in the Kiwis. Not a match winner or a match turner. He goes all right for the Tigers but hasnt made an impact at test level yet


i think for him to be effective you need fast play of the balls ,if the aussies hold down for a while and dont allow it than he might not have the impact that he could have
which means its probley better to play him in the centres
he had one game there vs nth qld where he owned matt bowen hit him with some nice shots and he forced 2 errors from him so theres anoother option where he could play
 

Bay Vikings

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I see what you're saying and it's a fair point but maybe we're arguing apples with pears here. The infrastructure surrounding the Broncos is a model which every other club aspires to be. The NZRL on the other hand lurches from crisis to crisis. I don't think you could ever criticise him for what he's achieved at the Broncos but I think he would have struggled greatly under the restraints here.



I can understand your frustration. Much as though you'll be surprised by this, I don't enjoy doing the negative stuff. But I get my back up when I think long suffering fans are getting short changed (whatever the sport I'm covering) and I may go in harder than other journos do....

You only have to look at Crockett getting selected last week for the Warriors. For a club that has made massive strides in turning around its public perception, this alleged rape complaint is not only horrible for the woman but the club.... and even worse if for Crockett if the allegation is proved to be false. I also feel sorry for the likes of Hart, Scurrah and Cleary who've turned the club around. Afterall, A sizable proportion of Mount Smart's paying public are women. And whether the players like it or not, they are role models for the kids who's schools they turn up to. But I think it's a legit question to ask Cleary whether he should be kept out of first grade while the cloud remains over his head. And he answered the question. I don't think any other media organisation asked him a question like that because I didn't see anyone else report quotes from him. I don't think I'm going in hard, I'm not predjudicing the case but it is news and while it's easy to ignore it or sweep it under the carpet, you have to confront it.

Rugby is getting a hammering at the moment in the media but many journos could go harder.

But the only reason I post here ocassionally is because I love vigorous debate on anything. You can disagree with people but everyone is entitled to an opinion. And I like to be proved wrong and I like to give perspective on things you obvoiusly hate me doing. I don't know how much more league I will be doing this year anyhow. They've cancelled me going to the Centenary Test (Evan Charlton will be doing it) and my other commitments look as though they could be scaled down too because of the olympics. So rejoice, you maybe about to get a big break from me. But if a scandal breaks in Beijing, be sure I won't give it a light once over. I will treat it the same as any league story.

You may be a slave to your masters, but I'd take your reporting of league over Evan Charlton's any day. At least you like the game, Evan's an opportunist, sensationalist league stories are his way of finally getting his face on the telly on a regular basis after 15 years of sporadic appearances. If it wasn't helping his job, he wouldn't watch a single game.
 

Micistm

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...And I will now take everything on TV Ones League coverage in the Sports as 'solid journalistic fact'.
Therefore, Tony Carroll will be in the Kiwis, SBW will be in the All Blacks, the Warriors will back to their 'typical bad old days' after one loss and 'Set to make a Grand Final' after one win ;-)
 

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