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Bollox... a team chokes when they lose when they should have won.. it has nothing at all to do with knockout games... the simple fact is the wannabies are ranked much higher than both Samoa and Ireland and lost to them both.. those are massive chokes...



Against an All Blacks "B" team... they will be playing the top team this time.. they dont have the flair and unpredictablity that France does.. they wont beat the AB's... i would put my house on it.



there is only one team team who can beat us this world cup and we will be meeting them in the semis... and guess what.. it aint the wannabies..
We fielded a B team against Samoa. I don't classify that as a choke at all. We went into it thinking it would be a walk in the park and deservedly got our arses handed to us on a plate. Not a choke. Against Ireland - we were expected to win but our forward pack didn't turn up. I beg to differ though that choking has nothing to do with knockout games. The context for 'choking' refers to choking under pressure (ie. knock out games).
 

Te Kaha

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Just like how the Reds wouldn't beat the Crusaders? Just like how the Reds wouldn't finish minor premiers? Just like how the Reds wouldn't win the grand final?

So many predictions gone horribly wrong yet you're still cocky as ever. :lol:

Just as accurate as your predictions.. Argies to beat Engaland, Wannabies to beat Samoa and Ireland... difference is this time.. we are playing at home... the wannabies cant win on Eden Park.. even when they arent playing the AB's!!!

Lol its a world cup mate, anything can happen. 5 world cup chokes in a row and you still havent learnt.
at least get it right... there have only been 2 world cups that "could" be classed as chokes.. in 99 and 03 we werent the best team and 95 the team had food poisoning... whats the wannabies excuse for losing to Samoa and Ireland???
 

Te Kaha

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We fielded a B team against Samoa. I don't classify that as a choke at all. We went into it thinking it would be a walk in the park and deservedly got our arses handed to us on a plate. Not a choke. Against Ireland - we were expected to win but our forward pack didn't turn up. I beg to differ though that choking has nothing to do with knockout games. The context for 'choking' refers to choking under pressure (ie. knock out games).

whether you played your "b" team or not is irrelevant.. its a test match.. you are ranked 7? 8? places higher.. your team lost.. at home!! as for pressure.. its a test match they are ALL pressure games... they were expected to win both games... and win them well... they lost .. both horribly.. thats a text book definition of a choke..
 
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Just as accurate as your predictions.. Argies to beat Engaland, Wannabies to beat Samoa and Ireland... difference is this time.. we are playing at home... the wannabies cant win on Eden Park.. even when they arent playing the AB's!!!

at least get it right... there have only been 2 world cups that "could" be classed as chokes.. in 99 and 03 we werent the best team and 95 the team had food poisoning... whats the wannabies excuse for losing to Samoa and Ireland???
Those games haven't knocked us out of the RWC,and let's assume that either the Boks or AB's do knock us out...that won't be a choke either (unless we miss a penalty kick from in front on full time or something like that). AB's are victims of their own success. They're the number 1 team in the world and are expected to win every game...losing to a minnow isn't a big deal provided it's not in a knock out stage but bowing out in the knock out stages to teams that aren't ranked in the top few in the world is a choke in my books. All the pressure is on the AB's. Again.
 

Te Kaha

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Those games haven't knocked us out of the RWC,and let's assume that either the Boks or AB's do knock us out...that won't be a choke either (unless we miss a penalty kick from in front on full time or something like that). AB's are victims of their own success. They're the number 1 team in the world and are expected to win every game...losing to a minnow isn't a big deal provided it's not in a knock out stage but bowing out in the knock out stages to teams that aren't ranked in the top few in the world is a choke in my books. All the pressure is on the AB's. Again.

Rubbish... losing a game to a team ranked well below you when you are expected to win is a choke.. no matter when you are playing it... lets put it into perspective... only 3 teams have beaten the ABs in a world cup.. SA, Aus and France... all teams who have won the world cup or played in a final... the teams that have recently beaten the wannabies have NEVER beaten the ABs... the ABs DONT lose to minnows... the wannabies shouldnt either.. bit they choked in a test match.
 

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at least get it right... there have only been 2 world cups that "could" be classed as chokes.. in 99 and 03 we werent the best team and 95 the team had food poisoning... whats the wannabies excuse for losing to Samoa and Ireland???

No.

The All Blacks weren't the best team in 2003? Wat? This is the team who put 50 on Australia?

The All Blacks have choked hard in every World Cup except 1987 and 1995.
 
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Rubbish... losing a game to a team ranked well below you when you are expected to win is a choke.. no matter when you are playing it... lets put it into perspective... only 3 teams have beaten the ABs in a world cup.. SA, Aus and France... all teams who have won the world cup or played in a final... the teams that have recently beaten the wannabies have NEVER beaten the ABs... the ABs DONT lose to minnows... the wannabies shouldnt either.. bit they choked in a test match.
Not true. There are reasons for not winning games and 'choking' is only one of them. Again i make the point that choking under pressure is what really what the term 'choking' is derived from (IMO anyway).

Means nothing at all. just because a team beats the Wallabies and has never beaten the AB's means absolutely nothing.
 

Te Kaha

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No.

The All Blacks weren't the best team in 2003? Wat? This is the team who put 50 on Australia?

The All Blacks have choked hard in every World Cup except 1987 and 1995.

England where by far and away the best team in 2003... and 99 Aussie where...

Not true. There are reasons for not winning games and 'choking' is only one of them. Again i make the point that choking under pressure is what really what the term 'choking' is derived from (IMO anyway).
your opinion isnt widely shared.. the sports definition of choaking "In sports, a "choke" is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win or had squandered a large lead in the late stages of the event" the eannabies were "strongly favored" to win both... they didnt.. ergo.. a choke.

Means nothing at all. just because a team beats the Wallabies and has never beaten the AB's means absolutely nothing.
and yet you are saying the ABs will "choke" to these same teams.. no they wont... i will say it again.. there is only one team who can beat the ABs in this world cup on eden park.. and we play them in the semis.
 
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England where by far and away the best team in 2003... and 99 Aussie where...


your opinion isnt widely shared.. the sports definition of choaking "In sports, a "choke" is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win or had squandered a large lead in the late stages of the event" the eannabies were "strongly favored" to win both... they didnt.. ergo.. a choke.



and yet you are saying the ABs will "choke" to these same teams.. no they wont... i will say it again.. there is only one team who can beat the ABs in this world cup on eden park.. and we play them in the semis.

Meh. Well then i disagree with the sports definition of choking.

I didn't say that at all.
 

Te Kaha

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Meh. Well then i disagree with the sports definition of choking..
Disagreeing doesnt change it tho.. the wannabies choked.. they should have won both games.. against minnow teams.. the didnt.. the lost and lost badly...

I didn't say that at all.
You said you look foward to chucking it back in my face.. that means you expect the ABs to lose to those teams...
 
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Disagreeing doesnt change it tho.. the wannabies choked.. they should have won both games.. against minnow teams.. the didnt.. the lost and lost badly...


You said you look foward to chucking it back in my face.. that means you expect the ABs to lose to those teams...
Whenever that happens. I would prefer it to be in the next month or so...but i'm also happy to wait. It's never a case of 'if' and always a matter of 'when' :D
 

SpaceMonkey

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No.

The All Blacks weren't the best team in 2003? Wat? This is the team who put 50 on Australia?

The All Blacks have choked hard in every World Cup except 1987 and 1995.

I'll give you 1999 amd 2007, but 1991 the ABs were ordinary and got knocked out by the eventual winners (Australia). and in 2003 England were the top ranked tam in the world, not NZ.
 

Bazal

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I think saying Australia choked is being disrespectful to the effort Ireland put in. They were immense IMO, and given my huge soft spot for them I was very happy to see it. They lifted for the game and gave it to the Wallabies deluxe, we got f**k all good quick ball and their pack was all over us. Wallabies were certainly poor, but Ireland were excellent I thought.
 

Thomas

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The AB's assistant coach said exactly the same thing. Not too many teams in world rugby could have matched Ireland in that game. It was an immense effort.

If Italy beat Ireland, Australia can still top the pool. Go Italy...
 

my2centsworth

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This is set up for a monumental Kiwi choke yet again.

"NZ may pull out of the 2015 World Cup" headlines blaring everywhere...what do you tell the players ?...guys this is your only chance to win a world cup...none of you will be around in 8 years...palms start sweating, collar a little tighter etc etc

Also, happy to dodge the stronger Northern Hemisphere scrums until the gf.
 

Butters

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Aww yeah, no frans steyn, no bakkies botha and a good chance bryan habana and jp pietersen won't be fit for the quarter. And the boks are in the papers saying they're hoping Italy win so they wont have to play Australia. :cool:

Thank you Samoa. :D
 

Te Kaha

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Aww yeah, no frans steyn, no bakkies botha and a good chance bryan habana and jp pietersen won't be fit for the quarter. And the boks are in the papers saying they're hoping Italy win so they wont have to play Australia. :cool:

Thank you Samoa. :D
Having to rely to other results???? that doesnt show a lot of faith in your team!!!... in saying that... the wannabies are gone in the qtrs... world cup winnr comes from the Semi between SA and NZ
 

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